We have spoken before that preliminary positions are being established ahead of the much-anticipated outcome of HM Revenue and Customs tribunal against Rangers with the possibility that, in the event the decision goes in favour of HMRC, the company could go into liquidation. This weekend brought a fresh attempt to pitch a positive scenario in favour of Rangers.
One newspaper sought solace in the case Parma, stating that the Italian club was allowed to re-emerge in Serie A after going out of business in 2004.
Unfortunately this is a complete misrepresentation of the facts, as far as Parma is concerned, precedent points to an entirely different outcome. Parma went into administration on 28 April 2004 after Parmalat, the dairy company which owned a majority of their shares, also went into administration. Parma remained in administration for three years before emerging after a successful restructuring of their debts. The club was then bought by a new company – but crucially – continuity of football operations was possible because there was no liquidation and debts were restructured in a way consistent with prevailing administration laws, that allowed a company to continue trading.
This, however, is not the end of the precedent Parma can offer Neil Doncaster and his SPL board. In 1968 AC Parma went into liquidation and disappeared from existence. They are an ex-football club, to use a phrase I can see creeping into the local lexicon soon.
Shortly after the failure and permanent disappearance of AC Parma, another club, AC Parmense, who were newly promoted into Sere D, changed their livery to match their better known former-neighbours and changed name to AC Parma. It was this club, AC Parma-formerly-known-as-AC Parmenese, who were promoted through the divisions and went on to win three European trophies.
Precedent from Italy is clear: if a large SPL club is liquidated an opportunity exists for Clyde FC to change their name, ditch the white shirts, rent a large, vacant, stadium and try to work their way through the leagues. Just as Airdrie United-formerly-known-as-Clydebank, are attempting to do.
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GOOGYBHOY 1543
You deserve a damned good hiding,and a boot in the baws into the bargain.
There is no excuse for your behaviour-NONE!
Apologise to the lads,if they are gracious enough to accept,suggest a repayment plan-AND STICK TO IT-and never darken their doorstep again!
Of course,if they are daft enough to shrug their shoulders and carry on as if nothing has happened,then that’s their look-out.
Hell mend them,I say.
You in the craft by any chance? It might help……
Hi Paul,
”………….Clyde FC to change their name, ditch the white shirts, rent a large, vacant, stadium and try to work their way through the leagues. Just as Airdrie United-formerly-known-as-Clydebank, are attempting to do.”
Do you know? I’ve been rather intrigued by the numerous scenarios that the “R@ngers must survive” brigade have come up with, the most striking aspect of this digging, spinning and scheming is there is absolutely no precedent ANYWHERE for what they want to do.
It’s interesting that you should mention Airdrie, as I have seen this mentioned as an straight forward “get out of gaol free card” my recollection was this is far from the case, with a painful and prolonged death and rebirth.
I wonder if we ever see a real White Knight as a R@ngers Chairman, we will hear this type of mea sumwhit culpa.
”Jim Ballantyne, who would be chairman of Airdrie United, said: “We have no financial obligation to look at the football debt left by the previous administration, but I believe we have a moral responsibility to try to resolve that problem.
New Airdrie ‘will honour debts
RFC are an insidious impediment to Scottish Football in general and Celtic FC in particular, they must get their just deserts.
BTW: Let’s hope you haven’t sent Wycombebhoy on another strategic pre-emptive strike by forking out for the Bully Wee:-)
googybhoy ♥ Celtic and Integrity,
Change your name, wear different clothes and argue that you are a new person who deserves a seat at the table. And refuse to pay back the money obviously – it was that other guy who cheated.
My tuppence worth on the “newco” saga.
I would simply like (and expect) the rules to be followed.
If rangers win the big tax case and don’t suffer administration or liquidation through other means then it’s business as usual ( except for the uero licence question for this current season which remains unresolved)
If they go into administration,the rules governing that event should be followed.
Similarly,if they are liquidated the rules pertaining to that event should be applied.
rangers should be treated no better or worse than any other club would be,or have been,under the circumstances.
To vary or alter or simply ignore the rules would leave Scottish football with as much credibility in terms of being a genuine,fair competition as something like the WWE
Oh,dear.
What will the locals say when they see this huge green and white thing in lovely loyal Larkhall?
From the record.
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THE UK’s second biggest supermarket, Asda, today unveiled plans to create some 5000 jobs this year in a £500million expansion drive.
Its plans, which were welcomed by Prime Minister David Cameron, will see it open 25 stores, refurbish 43 existing outlets and invest in three new depots in 2012.
Three of the stores will be in Scotland: in Inverness and Tain in the Highlands, and Larkhall in South Lanarkshire.
The chain also aims to revamp a depot in Grangemouth.
The chain said it will create up to 5000 jobs on top of the 30,000 staff it took on last year when it opened about a dozen stores and absorbed 147 Netto sites and their staff following its acquisition of the discount chain.
Asda said nearly half of the jobs it created last year had gone to young people, who are currently battling high unemployment, while 8500 jobs went to people who had signed up through Job Centre Plus.
The chain, who currently employ more than 180,000 people and run 528 stores across the UK, also pledged that eligible employees would be given the chance to take City & Guilds apprenticeships.
Cameron said: “The additional investment and 5000 new jobs announced by Asda today will be a real boost for the economy and more importantly for people around Britain seeking jobs.
“I also welcome Asda’s commitment to not only create jobs but invest in their staff too – offering employees the chance to join an apprenticeship scheme to gain skills which will benefit them throughout their career.”
The majority of the new stores will be smaller supermarkets but the 600,000sq ft of new space will also be made up of superstores and Asda Living non-food outlets.
Asda, which is owned by the world’s biggest retailer, US-based Walmart, will also open a new depot in Rochdale and revamp a centre in South Elmsall, Yorkshire, which formerly belonged to Netto.
It has already opened a store in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, this year but also plans outlets in Bootle in Merseyside, Coventry, Gateshead in Tyne & Wear, Harworth in Nottinghamshire, Mitcham in London, Ramsgate in Kent, Shepshed in Leicestershire, Todmorden in West Yorkshire, Worcester, and Worthing in West Sussex.
In Wales, it will open a store in Bangor.
Asda, which has pledged to be 10 per cent cheaper than rivals amid a vicious supermarket price war, recently reported that customers were shopping less frequently but spending more in a bid to overcome high petrol prices.
Its most recent like-for-like sales figures, excluding VAT and fuel, increased by 1.3 per cent between July 1 and September 30. But it has yet to update on the Christmas period, that saw rival Tesco issue a profits warning
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They’re not really having much luck at the moment,are they?
I’m glad the comparison to Parma that was used in the Sunday paper was picked up on. I read the article and immediatley thought here we go.
It’s clear in my mind anyway that the media are already cranking up the ‘ Celtic need Rangers’, ‘SPl won’t survive without Rangers’ as the stark reality of Rangers predicament hits home. We need to make sure they face the full consequences of their financial doping that denied not only Celtic but other clubs of silverware and top 6 finishes, no mercy!
BM
It will be the only Asda that is not Green, just like their branch of Subway, Lloyds Chemist etc etc
Smith continued: “I think it was the American philosopher and writer Elbert Hubbard who said the only way to avoid criticism was to do nothing, say nothing and be nothing.
Our old friend Gordon D Smith, speaking on his appointment as CEO of the SFA.
Seems he is now following his own advice in his new(ish) role at the skunkdome.
This might have been discussed by folks over the weekend, but I thought it was worth a post none the less.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2012/01/20/rangers-owner-craig-whyte-accused-over-unreliable-evidence-in-court-battle-with-roofing-firm-86908-23708472/
There are a few shope in Larkhall where the corporate logos are in Green and White (Subway for example) and after a review with the local comunity, these colours are now black and white, I have already written to ASDA (last Year and the local council ) that if ASDA surrender to the No Surrender croud that they can wave goodbye to my business anywhere and that of almost every person of Catholic or Irish decent in Scotland
Watch out for a corporate change of colours, especially those nice Green and white staff uniforms
The missus has just booked a holiday to Tunisia for 10 days from the 29th of April but my joy was short lived when I then realised that I may well miss the title run in :/ Anyone know the exact date when the season finishes after the split? Just hope we’ll have wrapped the title up by then and increased that 19 point swing by a substantial margin!
googybhoy ♥ Celtic and Integrity
Of course you should be let back in, you are the most popular player.
You being excluded might mean a smaller game and a chance for the other players to raise their game and maybe profit long term.
But at the end of the day, you are googybhoy and no unpleasantness should come your way…
HH
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/628268.stm
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Wednesday, 2 February, 2000, 15:52 GMT
Hope remains for struggling Airdrie
Provisional liquidators called in to Scottish First Division strugglers Airdrie have expressed hope that the club can be saved.
They have voiced confidence that a backroom shake-up would allow new investment to come into the club.
The Diamonds have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss a change of constitution which could ensure its survival.
Up until now, no Airdrie shareholder has been allowed to own more than 10% of the shares – a matter which has been scheduled for discussion at Monday’s meeting.
Blair Nimmo, head of KPMG Corporate Recovery in Scotland, has been appointed as the club’s provisional liquidator and expressed optimism for the future.
He said: “While the liquidation is a serious matter for the club, I would like to stress our focus will be on creating a firm foundation for the future development of Airdrie FC.
“The club has first class facilities and is an important institution within Scottish football – it just needs new investment.
“Hopefully a new constitution will be the catalyst which enables the introduction of new investors with the funds, and the ideas, to take the club forward.”
‘Business as usual’
In the meantime, Mr Nimmo said it would be “business as usual” at the Lanarkshire club, currently lying at second bottom in the First Division.
Airdrie’s problems worsened when it was revealed that Rangers had arrested the club’s share of the gate receipts for Sunday’s Scottish Cup tie at Dundee United.
Airdrie’s finances have been tackled by David Murray
Ibrox chairman David Murray applied for an interdict, on behalf of his company Carnegie, for a debt of around £30,000 owed by Airdrie.
Mr Murray said: “I feel very sorry for Airdrie and their supporters but we’re running a business. We have given them repeated warnings and felt they were playing on our good nature.”
The Scottish Football Association described the move as “a private matter between the clubs” and made clear there had been no contact with either party.
Airdrie were at the centre of recent takeover speculation amid reports that Motherwell chairman John Boyle wanted to acquire the Diamonds and create a bigger Lanarkshire club.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon says:
23 January, 2012 at 15:56
googybhoy ♥ Celtic and Integrity,
Change your name, wear different clothes and argue that you are a new person who deserves a seat at the table. And refuse to pay back the money obviously – it was that other guy who cheated.
£££££££££££££££££££££££££
That was the advice I got from Chic Young and Keevins.
Stringer Bell,
Is Gordon Smoth still at Rangers? You’re right to say that he has been very quiet recently.
Philvisreturns,
you said ‘Three or four seasons of beating lower league teams would do New rangers no harm whatsoever, and would do a lot of good for the game in Scotland.’
This is a very good call. Even in the 3rd div rangers newco would still have a sizeable travelling support.
Say 5000 for each away game. Can you imagine how this would benefit the likes of Albion Rovers (a tie Im really looking forward to!) and East Stirlingshire, Stennhousemuir, Cowdenbeath, Annan Athletic, Stranraer, Forfar etc. Rangers newco would be doing Scottish football a real favour for a change.
It got me thinking. Truth1234etc gave us his reasons why it would be bad for Scottish Football. Here are my reasons why it would be tremendous for Scottish Football. Im sure we could add to the list as the day goes on and present it to the SFA.
1. They would pretty much wipe out the debts of many clubs within the game with their travelling support.
2. Meanwhile, back in the SPL, the other clubs would not have to fork out 1000’s for police costs,
replacement seats, vandalised toilet units etc. (but I guess the 3rd div clubs would have that problem but it would still be worth it to them due to income versus outgoings)
3. No Celtic v rangers. Great! The Emergency wards would be able to have a breather.
4. The Courts. How much do we pay from the public finances on sectarian related offences? Hopefully this spending would subside over the 3/4 years it would take newco to get back to the spl.
5. A rangers Newco would have the chance at last to be free of the highly questionable 130 odd years of undignified existence. A chance to renew and create a healthy rivalry, not one born of hate, fear and aggression. A chance for the newco rangers support to adopt a more positive embracing, enlightened approach to supporting their football club. 3 years in the wilderness will give them time to think and repent.
6. We will spend the 3/4 years celebrating wildly.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
23 January, 2012 at 15:37
thomthethim says:
23 January, 2012 at 15:35
and other posters
I wish I had the wit and ability to do the declan stuff.
Not guilty
Hail Hail
******
Oh well, back to the drawing board.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/628268.stm
Provisional liquidators called in to Scottish First Division strugglers Airdrie have expressed hope that the club can be saved.
They have voiced confidence that a backroom shake-up would allow new investment to come into the club.
The Diamonds have called an extraordinary general meeting to discuss a change of constitution which could ensure its survival.
Up until now, no Airdrie shareholder has been allowed to own more than 10% of the shares – a matter which has been scheduled for discussion at Monday’s meeting.
Blair Nimmo, head of KPMG Corporate Recovery in Scotland, has been appointed as the club’s provisional liquidator and expressed optimism for the future.
He said: “While the liquidation is a serious matter for the club, I would like to stress our focus will be on creating a firm foundation for the future development of Airdrie FC.
“The club has first class facilities and is an important institution within Scottish football – it just needs new investment.
“Hopefully a new constitution will be the catalyst which enables the introduction of new investors with the funds, and the ideas, to take the club forward.”
‘Business as usual’
In the meantime, Mr Nimmo said it would be “business as usual” at the Lanarkshire club, currently lying at second bottom in the First Division.
Airdrie’s problems worsened when it was revealed that Rangers had arrested the club’s share of the gate receipts for Sunday’s Scottish Cup tie at Dundee United.
Airdrie’s finances have been tackled by David Murray
Ibrox chairman David Murray applied for an interdict, on behalf of his company Carnegie, for a debt of around £30,000 owed by Airdrie.
Mr Murray said: “I feel very sorry for Airdrie and their supporters but we’re running a business. We have given them repeated warnings and felt they were playing on our good nature.”
The Scottish Football Association described the move as “a private matter between the clubs” and made clear there had been no contact with either party.
Airdrie were at the centre of recent takeover speculation amid reports that Motherwell chairman John Boyle wanted to acquire the Diamonds and create a bigger Lanarkshire club.
Do the SNP seriously think I will vote for independence, when a major town in this country is so bitter it will not allow Green and White to be used by shops and businesses.
One Nation, unless you are Catholic or Irish…
ASonOfDan says:
23 January, 2012 at 16:05
googybhoy ♥ Celtic and Integrity
Thank you…… I am the Person……
Ah well,since no-one is admitting to being Declan,it’s time for the standard Spartacus approach.
No,I am Declan!
BMCUW
I thought you were Neil Lennon :-)
why u all so obsesed about me. i am me. nobody else. ok. mon the hoops
corrib04 is Neil Lennon says:
23 January, 2012 at 16:07
7. No more summits.
LET THEM DIE!
I know that there are one or two posters who think that Peter Lawwell is not up to the job and doesn’t deserve to be CEO at Celtic.
I am not one of them.
However, that is not the point.
I think that it is relevant that he has a position within the SFA and that this post arose from the shambles of last year, which demanded a change in how that body operated.
Therefore, I would not be surprised that the SFA are fully up to speed with what Celtic’s position would be in the event of a parachute landing.
PL would not be wasting his or Celtic’s time attending SFA business if he was not representing our interests at Hampden.
“Those Days Have Gone”. J.Reid (DR).
Now Mr. Whyte…What is your occupation?
Aaaah….I’m a Ahhh…company director.
How long have you been a company director?
Aaaah,,,over…Ahhh…twenty years.
I understand you were disqualified from holding a company directorship for some seven years..is that so?
Ahhh….Yes.
Why was that Mr Whyte?
I don’t remember.
Absolutely…bit of an unfair question really. We’ll move on.
Awe Naw is being way too hard on himself, he definitely has the ability to fool us on here, he’s being doing it for years,
As for Declan, cant make my mind up whether he’s a hun at the wind up, or a Celtic man pretending to be a hun at the wind up,
Push came to a shove its a hun at the wind up, purely based on his blog name,
Truth – who really gives a flying **** about you and your horrible lot ? dae one ya hun .
Deccy Bhoy
It’s called admiration. We all love you. Some don’t want to admit that but……
Setterday
A good result on Saturday rather than a good performance, the huns also followed up with another good result for us. But is not won yet its far from it. But it keeps the pressure on the Bankrupt huns and forces their troubles onto the redtops instead of us.
12 in a row so far
12 in a row equals WGS best ever consequetive victories run,
Lenny has already won more league points in a season than WGS
Has Lenny now got MONs record in his sights?
To be frank with the demise of the huns it looks like it could be achieveable, if we keep up the concentration levels.
Surely the huns will become the whipping boys?
Time to get the boot in
In the last 3 season we have slipped up terribly, and three successive Celtic managers have failed to beat the bankruptees. For sure the huns are in a financial mess today, but I just wonder where the huns would have been today if we hadn’t gifted them three league titles (and two champions leagues cash pots and a bus run to madchester)
Anyway as an older wise bloggee than me says
This is where we are and this is what we need to deal with today, so using that logic, lets go Celtic and finally stick the boot in and deal them the lasting blow that we have been shouting for, for seasons now. I wonder when the Sunday Mail will hire the hearse?
BBC Alba
Anyone see Clubtv on BBC Alba, not a terrible wee programme for those of us on council telly only, last week it ran a wee feature on Lennys “penalty” at Ibrox. Could this BBC Alba be a platform for celtic to show Celtic TV more regularly or does a half hour of Celtic TV represent the best of the weeks viewing :-)
*THE KING VIC 67* says:
23 January, 2012 at 13:15
SmashingMilkBottles ….. What is your favourite Celtic memory?
Go on…. bring yourself to say it!
4-2 (21/05/79) 10 men an’ all that….
That’s me now welcomed to CQN. I’ve only been waiting for 7.5 years to be labelled….
Djibril Cisse…
Contro l’Inter appena 15 minuti. Un liscio su assist di Rocchi, e pochi palloni toccati. Djibril Cisse vive da mesi un incubo. Accolto da migliaia di tifosi festanti, in quel di Fiumicino, sembra un lontano parente del giocatore ammirato negli anni passati. Parte della tifoseria inizia inoltre ad essere spazientita dai suoi atteggiamenti.
Sul suo Twitter personale si concentra sulla musica: “Mi sto rilassando con Jay Z e e Kanie West” , scrive Djibril, per poi dare consigli sulla canzone migliore dell’album, almeno per lui. Ha funzionato, come per Henry, l’augurio all’amico Didier Drogba per una buona Coppa d’Africa: l’attaccante del Chelsea è andato subito in gol con la sua Costa d’Avorio.
Intanto, dalla Scozia, trapelano indiscrezioni circa un interessamento del Celtic Glasgow per la prossima stagione. Gli scozzesi avrebbero già fatto un sondaggio presso l’entourage del calciatore, per capire se ci sono le premesse per un addio alla Lazio dopo appena una stagione.
Mirko Borghesi
Cittaceleste.
Translated:
Against Inter just 15 minutes. A smooth on an assist by Rocchi, and a few balls touched. Djibril Cisse has been living a nightmare months. Greeted by thousands of cheering supporters at that airport, it seems a distant relative of the player admired over the years. Part of the fans also began to be impatient by his attitudes.
On his Twitter staff focuses on music: “I’m relaxing with Jay Z ee Kanie West,” writes Djibril, and then give advice on the best song of the album, at least for him. It worked, as Henry, the wish for a good friend Didier Drogba Africa Cup of Nations: Chelsea striker went straight into the goal with his Ivory Coast.
Meanwhile, Scotland, leaked rumors about involvement of Celtic for the next season. The Scots have already made a survey of the entourage of the player to see if there are conditions for a farewell to Lazio after just one season.
Mirko Borghesi
Cittaceleste
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam) says:
23 January, 2012 at 16:27
BBC Alba
Anyone see Clubtv on BBC Alba, not a terrible wee programme for those of us on council telly only, last week it ran a wee feature on Lennys “penalty” at Ibrox. Could this BBC Alba be a platform for celtic to show Celtic TV more regularly or does a half hour of Celtic TV represent the best of the weeks viewing :-)
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I cant speak the language, but recently I have been watching more and more.
Personally, I see a different, more tolerant, open Scotland out there in the Isles, than I do in West Central Scotland.
The Vatersay Bhoys programme was excellent, and their football coverage is refreshingly unbiased.
Topped off by their Hogmanay presented from Nan Gael slagging off the huns.
so, aye, its better than STV, and Mainland BBC
if rangers lose the tax case and have to go out of business, any newco should have to apply to gain entry into the league starting from SFL division 3, if this does not happen the games up and celtic should move to tender resignation citing this.
i would not take to much joy from rangers going out of business, but every other team in the league has been cheated out of league, cups, european places etc… and that must be punished.
with rangers gone celtic could potentially push towards a league exit citing the fact that everyother team is part-time which in time they will be given the lack of t.v. money, lost crowd from ranger away fans and with less fans from celtic travelling
cant recall hearing about rangers need for celtic pre-fergus mccann, funny that!!!!!!!
Prepare for the following:
Djibril Cisse – Serie A flop
Zlatan Muslimovic – Bosnian star who spent 7 seasons in Serie A with Udinese (also spent 7 years being loaned around anyone who would take him)
Could Declan be THE Neil Lennon. Has anyone seen Neils spellnig?
Good article Paul 67 and James Forrest –who has been on such good form that he saves many of us from posting repetitive and less cogent points as the ones he makes—is on the money when he says:
“If we allow it, if we allow the lie to be perpetuated to this degree, that we NEED Rangers, we are forever the other side of that valueless coin.”
Any action that we as a support take must be taken on the basis of what is right and wrong. Our board may have a view to what is expedient from a business sense, but that cannot be our concern.
When I (and thousands of others) paid my £1300? to save the club, when the last board had screwed up, I did so on advice from my accountant that it was money down the drain.
I accepted that advice as accurate, but paid my money because I thought the survival of our club and the ethos of the club was more important than £. s. d.
Nothing has changed since then. We must take whatever action we take as a Celtic support—in relation to Rangers’ plight—on principle.
Without any regard for commercial considerations and how our actions affect the game in Scotland.