Principled resignations, ASA withdraw adjudication

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I cannot fathom why someone would leak their intentions to quit as chairman of a football club.  Either Walter Smith is sufficiently alarmed by the conduct of his club to resign, or he should be busy working to resolve matters.  Leaking that he intends to resign will surely only add to the nonsense that surrounds the club.

Some will believe that Smith, who accepted the position as chairman of Rangers International when season tickets went on sale in May, can shuffle of the scene now 34,000 tickets have been sold.  Shareholder votes will determine the future of the club, in this instance, the identity of the chairman has little reach beyond parting fans with their cash.

Some investors may consider a more immediate problem is why the club are burning a hugely disproportionate amount of cash to secure promotion from the third tier of Scottish football, and why a management structure is not in place to deploy resources more effectively.

In light of Francisco Sandaza’s off-the-cuff comments to Tommy in Glasgow, and his subsequent dismissal by Rangers International, we urge Mr McCoist to be more cautious than he was after his team’s spirited, but ultimately fruitless, performance in Forfar on Saturday.  It would be unfortunate if McCoist transgressed a condition of employment and suffered accordingly.

Advertising Standards Authority ruling withdrawn

It doesn’t rain but it pours.  The Independent Review Process of the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has looked into the ASA’s recent, and widely reported, ruling on Rangers International’s claim on football titles won by a liquidated club. The Review found that “it was a procedural flaw for the ASA to have relied on an extract only of a report sent to it by the advertiser”.

Further, the review process ruled that “there was also the risk of a substantial flaw of adjudication in the distinction that had been made between ‘club’ and ‘company’, especially in the light of previous ASA decisions about companies that change hands and the circumstances in which the new company could or could not trade off the reputation of the old company”.

The Chairman of the ASA, Lord Smith of Finsbury, as decided to reopen the ASA’s investigation into the case and to withdraw the published adjudication, which favoured the advertiser.  Withdrawing this adjudication does not infer that a different outcome will subsequently be reached.  To use a football analogy, it’s half time and they’re all square.

An interesting, and potentially critical part of the story, is that after the initial ASA decision was issued, the club’s web site noted that their submission to the process included information that a “panel of the London Stock Exchange” supported their claim.

The Stock Exchange subsequently appeared surprised at this assertion, so much so that the club promptly withdrew the claim from the web article.

“You’re history, that’s what you are, na na na na”.
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  1. tonydonnelly67 @ 06:27

     

     

    Sorry to say it, but I don’t think you’re thinking too deeply about this situation.

     

     

    I don’t blame you. 20 years ago you’d have been reading the DR and argued its point. Now you’re reading here and arguing its point.

     

     

    Am sorry I don’t know want books to recommend that encourage independed thought. They might well not be available on Google.

  2. valentinesday on

    Good Morning Timland.

     

     

    Have to say very sad about the GB situ, hopefully a

     

    compromise can be reached………not sure though.

     

     

    Meanwhile over at ibrokes a civil war…..or is it?

     

    might be contrived……..ST sold….time for the spiv’s

     

    to cash in……..some good R*****s man to mount the

     

    white charger and ride to the rescue………maybe even

     

    SDM, I’ve came back to clean up this mess…….I could

     

    be talking sh*te, it has been known……..they would not

     

    fall for it….. would they?

     

     

    Have a great day everyone……off to work.

  3. Morning all.

     

    Having slept on the two stories of yesterday regarding ourselves and sevco, I know which team I am glad to support and have faith in.

     

    The GB bring atmosphere and colour to our games. To an extent they are our children/future and although i love them, they sometimes do things they shouldn’t and make me angry. They are young, exuberant guys who mean well but need pointed in the right direction.

     

    Stop the pyrotechnics and the lateral movement. Tell the club you promise to do this and we can all get back to being a big happy family again.

     

     

    On the slow train from Cambuslang to Edinburgh for my daily commute. Loks like a nice morning Jobo.

  4. Naaaaa, I’m not arguing with anyone I am just stating my opinion, it’s up for debate sure, and you lost me on the Daily Record and the book thingies, sorry.

  5. maleys bhoy

     

     

    “Tell the club you promise to do this and we can all get back to being a big happy family again”

     

     

    They have done, and more.

     

     

    As for pyrotechnics, incidents of this coming from 111 which I never saw, have been criticised by the GB officially – it is beyond their control if anyone is allowed to walk into their section at CP, which is bizarre in itself, given the heavy policing of that part of the stadium in the past few years.

  6. I’ve only just discovered what moshing is.

     

     

    Pretendy fighting?

     

     

    At a football stadium?

     

     

    Aw c’mon is that what they have been doing during games? Pretendy, kid-on fighting?

     

     

    Someone tell me it’s not true or I am going to explode with laughter.

  7. thebhoywithmcgraininhisside on

    fortunes favour mibbes

     

     

    06:19 on 6 August, 2013

     

     

    An issue that was difficult to defend was poppygate. The press, at the government’s instigation, have transformed this into some sort of latter day, right wing, soviet may day, with parades & flotillas and tri-colour smoke trailing red arrow fly-bys. The Green Brigade’s misspelled, clumsy, ham-fisted criticism of the hostile takeover of rememberance day amid the rampant jingoism was ill-conceived. Even if it had been carried off without a hitch the protest was always going to be used as a stick for the press to beat the Club with. By all means protest but be clever about it.

     

     

    Personally I think that this was when the Board decided the Green Brigade were a mistake.

  8. tonydonnelly67

     

    06:27 on

     

    6 August, 2013

     

    Lol, what publicity do the green bride want ? Your having laugh right, listen just go into there website have a wee goossy at what they are punting, and not ONE Penny of it goes to Celtic Football Club, there is a big picture you know, you just have to dig a wee bit deeper its there trust me.

     

    ==

     

    Two edged sword Mo Chara. Didn’t Celtic ‘borrow’ the Glasgow’s Green ‘n’ White slogan for a number of advertisments, haven’t they used photos of the GB’s banners in corporate advertisments. Have Celtic PLC actually paid 1 penny towards these banners or displays the GB put on?

  9. PJBhoy

     

     

    That Bob Dylan track is banned here in the UK…sorry, “unavailable”. :))

     

     

    Am sure the financial controls are more important than the political message of the song.

  10. Murdochbhoy, yermanfromMK on

    Good morning CQNers,

     

     

    Extract from the Celtic statement:

     

     

     

    Under advice from the Safety Advisory Group, which includes representatives of Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, Scottish Ambulance Service, Police Scotland and the Council, it is open to Glasgow City Council to enforce a reduction in stadium capacity or, ultimately, to close a stadium.

     

     

    I demand to know the names of those on the Safety Advisory Group!

     

     

    Now, being serious – this decision has it’s origins in health and safety regulations or dogma if you prefer but , as with all these decisions it is cloaked within a political element.

     

     

    I’m sure the councilors on Glasgow City Council are beyond reproach, could some of our learned posters could give us an insight into this fine body?

  11. thebhoywithmcgraininhisside @ 06:42

     

     

    Disagree again amigo.

     

     

    That was forgotten about quickly, to be replaced with coughgate a few months later.

     

     

    Unless you think the Celtic Board felt that they had to be seen to be taking action? If so, then by whom, as poppygate was a distant memory within a few months thanks to countless other MSM campaigns against Celtic and our Manager.

  12. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    Oh aren’t we all so grown up.

     

     

    I’ll take their kiddie on fighting over the real fighting, and slashing, and stabbings, and bottle throwing, and pishing on the guy in front of you, that was the real moshing of their fathers generation.

     

     

    tonydonnelly67 :

     

     

    How do you know what the Green Brigade want? You’ve been on their website, please, enlighten me, what is it that they want?

  13. You see there you go with the green brigade this the green brigade that, they are supposed to be like me a Celtic Supporter nothing more nothing less, this is where I don’t get it, they think and there followers, they are above us and the law, well there arse has just hit the ground with a bang, behave or jog on, my supporting my team is what I do, my home park going to close down because they won’t behave, I think NOT.

  14. Good morning all from a rather grey but currently dry EK.

     

     

    Right, back to the ongoing GB debate….

  15. FFM

     

    What do you suggest then? I know GB have condoned the pyrotechnics and you cant control who comes into that area. Should everyone be searched then? Or do we just self police it and offer up the next wee half-wit who sets a flare off.

     

     

    What about the lateral movement? If the GB have also condoned that then why js it still hallening? Thats hundreds of people not just one infiltrator. I think it loooks good but if its damaging seats then it’s not on. Also there is a health and safety concern…e.g. if a kid falls and gets crushed.

  16. What do the green brigade want, they want you to buy there hats, Gloves, scarfs, jackets, t shirts, lets put there is no chance and I mean NO CHANCE of you bumping into one of the GB leaders in the Official Celtic Shop buying any thing.

  17. thebhoywithmcgraininhisside on

    tonydonnelly67

     

     

    06:27 on 6 August, 2013

     

     

    I never said the green brigade didn’t want publicity, I said they don’t put themselves before the club.

     

     

    They sell merch. Big deal. Perhaps they use the profits to keep the site running and buy season tickets. Or maybe it goes to charity. Or then again it might all go to fund a very expensive Irn Bru habit.

     

     

    There are cqn badges and golfing shirts and who knows what else, how much of that money do the Club see? My CSC has it’s own very smart polo shirt, we don’t pay the Club commission. (although they get the money season book renewal time.) We don’t have any pictures though, big or otherwise, well ones you can in anyway;o)

  18. twists n turns on

    Been recruiting for a few weeks now. Recruitment process includes basic Arithmetic/Maths and English tests, and when I say basic, I mean basic. Simple addition, subtraction, percentages and fractions. Despite choosing candidates whose C.V states they have standard grade Maths and English passes, the test results are disappointing. Less than 60% have managed to answer 635 x 19 correctly. Less than 50% correctly selected the adverb from a given sentence.

     

     

    I’m therefore a little surprised to see this in the paper this morning;

     

     

     

     

    “This year’s pass rate for Standard Grades, which will next year be replaced by new qualifications in line with Curriculum for Excellence, increased by 0.1 percentage points to 98.9 per cent”

     

     

    98.9%. Really?

     

     

    I can only assume the pupils these days are being taught something entirely different to what was taught years ago? Or can someone enlighten me as to where the disconnect is between the poor results on the testing process I am using and the excellent results being achieved in the school exams?

     

     

    Genuinely interested as to what is going wrong?

  19. Morning

     

     

    Hating all this infighting and turmoil, where? Aye Celtic Park…

     

     

    Think some are making a lot out of this that isn’t there… the hand of the board has been forced and had to act, simple. Who’s to blame?

     

     

    The board

     

    The Green Brigade

     

    Celtic fans, bad ones!

     

    Stewards

     

    Polis

     

    Government

     

    Glasgow City Council

     

     

    Who can sort it out? The nursery teacher..!

     

    Naw, the first two..

     

     

    Ayrshire is Green and White

     

     

    HH

  20. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    tonydonnelly67:

     

     

    You never answered the question. So I take it you want to support Celtic your way, the Green Brigade want to support Celtic their way, what makes you so sure your way is better?

     

     

    So the Green Brigade’s antics make Tom want to laugh… hardly the stuff to invoke nightmares for the authorities, both internal and external, if that is the reaction their antics incite.

  21. I am sick to death with the bleating of the poor little GB and all there supporters on here.

     

    We are all Celtic supporters and abide by the rules and regulations of coming to the stadium, well that is except for the GB.

     

     

    How can anyone still defend them when time after time they have been warned that they face the club losing the safety certicificate.

     

     

    We have to get real here the huns are going down the pan and there is a real threat that they will not gain a safety cert for their crumbling stadium soon. What better way of lessening their hurt than by removing ours too.

     

     

    There really should be no need for this tit for tat but unfortunately it is the way of the Scottish brotherhood and always will be.

     

     

    So again I say to the GB I truly believe you are fans so please act like it and stop goding the board and the cops just to prove a point.

     

     

    If you cannot do that then GTF.

     

     

     

    HH

  22. The Boy Jinky on

    Morning champions

     

     

    Good luck and safe travels to the celtic players staff and fans heading to Sweden.

     

     

    Reading Scott browns article regards the targeting of big sammi … dont get drawn into a kicking match bhoys… beat them with football.

     

     

    Off to work now … stepping as I go

  23. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    tonydonnelly67:

     

     

    How do you know the Green Brigade don’t buy official Celtic merchandise?

  24. thebhoywithmcgraininhisside on

    fortunes favour mibbes

     

     

    06:48 on 6 August, 2013

     

     

    Lord voldemort or whatever he’s called now vowed that he would take serious action against those responsible. I think from then the Board wanted rid of what they considered to be a liability

  25. maleys bhoy @ 06:56

     

     

    “I know GB have condoned the pyrotechnics ”

     

     

    No, they did the opposite. They condemned it after the Brentford game, even though the incidents there were nothing to do with them.

     

     

     

    “..you cant control who comes into that area. Should everyone be searched then? Or do we just self police it and offer up the next wee half-wit who sets a flare off…”

     

     

    Well, what do YOU suggest in this situation. Disperse and re-seat your whole section if it happens where you are (in the main stand I expect?) ? After you’ve been heavily policed and faced a 6 month period with a ridiculous charge hanging over you, which has cost you your job before it eventually gets thrown out of court?

     

     

    But at least you’ve pulled up the lateral movement argument to finish off that nonsense. Now THAT is just unacceptable.

     

     

    I’m glad to see you have some concern for youngsters – just a shame it starts with the ridiculous, but stops at reality.

     

     

    FFS.

  26. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    Fortunes Favour Mibbes:

     

     

    Nah! never me mate. I’ve always swan against the tide.

     

     

    I pee’d on the guy behind who was peeing on me. That’ll learn ‘im.

  27. Anyway, they where told what not to do and didn’t do what they where told so there you go, I said it when PL gave them that section, it would come back and bite him in the arse, I was right AGAIN, don’t need them chase them, BEGONE you Uni. Hanger Ons.

  28. maleys bhoy

     

     

    06:56 on 6 August, 2013FFMWhat do you suggest then? I know GB have condoned the pyrotechnics and you cant control who comes into that area. Should everyone be searched then? Or do we just self police it and offer up the next wee half-wit who sets a flare off.What about the lateral movement? If the GB have also condoned that then why js it still hallening? Thats hundreds of people not just one infiltrator. I think it loooks good but if its damaging seats then it’s not on. Also there is a health and safety concern…e.g. if a kid falls and gets crushed.

     

     

    Can we assume you meant condemned..?

     

     

    HH

  29. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    Amen! tonydonnelly67 has decreed and he’s never wrong even when he is making it up.

  30. thebhoywithmcgraininhisside @ 07:03

     

     

    Agree with you there amigo, that seemed to be the start of it, and then poppygate followed. But given what we’ve said already, there’s clearly more to it than that. This kind of intimidation of a group of Celtic Supporters is unprecedented….or is it?

  31. Well they don’t buy stuff from the Celtic shop, (as they say) it is made by slave labour, and they should not be selling Coke at Celtic Park, oh aye and John Reid is a war criminal, real important stff like that, GET IT.?

  32. A Stor Mo Chroi @ 07:04

     

     

    :)) I expect we were all trying to do that which is where the huddle eventually came from….

     

     

    The flow down the steps didn’t bother me. As long as I wasn’t at the back where everyone was aiming at.

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