Earlier this year I wrote that the pyrotechnics problem was one of the free rider. There are reputational and Uefa fine costs to Celtic, but the perpetrators hide among a crowd, so encounter no costs. Celtic pay the fines, Celtic fans, as a group, carry the reputational damage, those who create the problem act with impunity.
Two who set flares in Istanbul have been identified and banned by the club. This ban will prevent them attending away fixtures in Europe for a considerable time, but it will not prevent them walking through turnstiles at Celtic Park, or some other Scottish grounds. Celtic have announced that they are considering their position and may raise a civil action to recover fines imposed –aligning consequences with actions.
Whenever I hear someone ‘considering their position’ I don’t expect them to act. Those who act tend to only provide advanced notice when legally obliged to do so. There is a flip side to this, however. If Celtic raise an action the issue is dead – it will not happen again. If Celtic don’t raise an action it may well happen again. Steps to hide identities will be improved, perhaps making it impossible to identify another offender. The stock defence of football clubs, “We’ve done everything we could”, will not wash.
It’s only 12 years since 80,000 Celtic fans went to Seville and didn’t so much as spill a drink. What chance that now?
When they were at their peak, 1.2million miners went down the pits in Britain. Before the pits, the population of Lanarkshire was a fraction of what it is now. They build railways in the late 19th century, allowing coal to be taken to the cities and ports, and people were drawn to places like Bellshill, Motherwell, Coatbridge and Wishaw.
This subsequent years saw the greatest migration from Ireland to Scotland, and an enormous migration from rural to urban Scotland. People came to Lanarkshire to work in the coal industry, and to Glasgow and other surrounding towns to work related industries, like shipping and heavy engineering.
The work was almost always dirty, often dangerous and inevitably poorly paid. Poverty and its associated diseases, including social diseases, were difficult to escape. Even today, the twin towns of Hamilton (a market town established for centuries) and Motherwell (a 19th century town established by the coal and steel industries) are separated by a significant gap in employment opportunities, property values and wealth. Physically they are only two miles apart, you can walk between them in minutes.
Football was the real opium of the masses. They worked five and a half days a week, on their half day they went to a game. Entrance was cheap, even the poor could attend, all boys could play, all men could talk a good game (it remained a predominantly male pastime for decades).
Coal, and its by-products: railways and heavy industry, shaped the industrial towns of Scotland, Wales and much of England. Without it, cricket would be our national game (it was once popular even in Scotland). You wouldn’t have Celtic.
Today the last miner will emerge from a British pit, in Kellingley, North Yorkshire. The pits around Lanarkshire are long gone, and there are few bings left. Jobs now are cleaner and safer, but we’ve lost a link to something Celtic fans value more than most, our heritage.
Speaking of which, get to Celtic Park before 13:00 tomorrow. Wallow in the abundant heritage that is Billy McNeill!
We’re shipping same day from CQN Bookstore, but there’s not long left before Christmas!
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Ocean Colour Scene
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Almore
My Ryan met a group of Cork bhoys over for the abandoned game. They became a big hit wi the local lassies.
Every cloud had a silver lining for the Cork bhoys. :))
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Big Tam
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Cue madness…
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ROY CROPPIE on 18TH DECEMBER 2015 10:48 PM
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Ocean Colour Scene
:-))
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Jinky in the Bears den…
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Delaneys Dunky on 18th December 2015 10:48 pm
Glad someone got a smile :-))
me :-(((9
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Cigarettes and Alcohol
Oasis
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John Doyle
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Dena
Oh no! Did you travel for the match?
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Lightning Seeds
Pure
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dena :))
Dena: what are your plans for Stranraer?
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Captain, my Captain
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Best story I ever heard
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Mark McGhee…misses the target :)
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Delaneys Dunky on 18th December 2015 10:54 pm
I did paid £60 for the privilege of a trip on the boat…… turned around the roundabout at Cairnryan and back on the boat home :-((
Hope the weather is ok for tomorrow mini me is coming to game with me
are you getting to the game tomorrow?
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Stupid revenge is what’s making you stay
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The Who
The Punk and the Godfather
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Almore on 18th December 2015 10:56 pm
I know Ballymena are running a bus to tge game but dont know ant deetails.
Do you want me to check for spaces on the bus?
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its been a long day
obviously Almore that should read I know Ballymena are running a bus to the game but dont know any details. –
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Dougal does his thing…
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I can lay on a few McGill’s buses if you want
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Official skelper of der hun
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Dena
Will be at Paradise before 1pm for our greatest ever captain Billy McNeill.
See you tomorrow. Fine Ghirl ye are!
At the Holy Ground.
Hail Hail
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Scottish Rain
The Silencers
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Billy the Celt
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Brilliant
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I have to say arguing about legal issues with @chrisgraham76 is like debating quantum mechanics with a local duck.
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When ye go away
The Waterboys
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TOMMY
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Makes me cry Tommy Bhoy
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Dena: I’m confident of a ticket. It’s just a matter of transport from Belfast port to the ground and back to Cairnryan. Do I book as a foot passenger or will a bus accommodate me at a similar cost?
Nollaig shona
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The only Bear to get close…
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Goooood evening CQN, just catching up
Apologies CRC missed the quiz, but what an effort from SFTB :-)
St Stivs, I know it was stated the 2 green brigade Bhoys were from Glasgow in that court case, I believe one is actually from St Ninians ( Stirling), his Dad is an ex Cowiebhoy I know well,
Now, I have a spare ticket for tomorrow’s game, hope to be at CQN Coarner for 2.30
Hail Hail
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Hipsway
The Honey Thief
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Billy happy at Easter Rd
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Just got word I have been promoted at work. I am now entertainment officer, at least I think that is what “you’re a clown and everyone loves laughing at you” means. ;-)
Hi Dena
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In a Big Country
Big Country
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Margaret McGill on 18th December 2015 11:01 pm
:-))
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