The Daily Record today report: “Record Sport understands Rangers would fight tooth and nail against any move to impose more than the statutory 10-point penalty” in the event “the Ibrox side have to start again under a new name”, presumably if the existing company ceases to exist.
If the Record are, in fact, reporting Rangers’ position accurately, this is the first salvo in their campaign to gain control of the consequences of a corporate failure.
The Record go on to say: “Clubs who can’t exit administration by a CVA must hand over their assets to a new entity and after shares [in the SPL]are transferred to a new company agreement has to be reached with the SPL over a return to the top flight”.
The glaring observations from this aspiration is, of course, that agreement does not have to be reached with the SPL over a return to the top flight, and that clubs who cannot exit administration by a CVA (Creditors Voluntary Agreement) must dispose of their assets to the benefit of the unsecured creditors.
The debate is framed by the newspaper to suggest a range of outcomes of between 10-25 points is possible for Rangers Newco FC to pick-up the SPL shares and league position of the existing Rangers FC, with a 25 point deduction being wholly unpalatable to the new company.
There must be absolutely no presumption that a newly formed company, who happen to own Ibrox, are entitled to parachute into the SPL ahead of the current Scottish Football League members, or ahead of an existing SPL team in a relegation spot. In the event of a club failure the league can and, if necessary, must complete the season with 11 teams only.
Scottish football cannot establish a system whereby an oligopoly can vote on a system which stiffs creditors and prejudices competitors outside of the oligopoly. Football across the world is trying to clean up its reputation, we cannot allow Scotland to become a laughing stock. Let your club know your feelings on how they should vote when the time comes. It’s time for fans of Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee United, St Mirren, Hibernian, Motherwell, Dunfermline and others to make their voices heard.
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My dear,dear,dear,dear,friend .. The Singing Detective
Pal.. Like Ah said..
Who cares whit happens tae the G.A.?
No Me.. and You …and The AssetManager.
well.. that’s Three……..
NO Many … but, it’s always a start.
Right?
Right.
Kojo
yer pal.. who likes ye mair and mairer.
Serenity:
The old priest was broken,
But momentarily so,
“Do we stand and do nothing?”
The priest he said “NO!”
This deal is presented,
As Fait Accompli,
Signed, sealed and delivered though,
It has yet to be …
There is no way we’ll stand back,
Leaving justice bereft,
“I will fight this damnation …
Whilst I have a breath left ….”
Not up to your standard mate, but you get the drift ….
HH
THE EXILED TIM
Exactly my friend.
The main thing, the really big picture, is of course that Holly, Flavia and Ola are still in Strictly.
The rest is just a lot of nonsense.
Kojo
Yes it had everything including not one but two Celtic like late comebacks.
I would recommend that anyone with the chance to watch the game tonight does so.
And those who can’t watch, can follow irregular updates on BQN
‘GG
The good will prevail
Excellent letter I’m going to copy it.
The weather in London has been pretty mad today.
Hope ole Cadizzy has packed his pac-a mac.
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby
For sure, it’s the only thing that is set in stone thus far!!
mac
Interesting debate/fight call it what you will on the possible demise of the quintessentially british club,
Heres a take on this,
my mrs and father in law are both rangers supporters, both in my opinion are decent people, no bigotry no hunguffery, honest football supporters,
Im sure amongst the followers of rangers there are many more like them,
both are devastated at the current plight of their club, both are extremely concerned as to what the future of their club may hold……… if indeed it has a future,
best case scenario for them would appear to be administration, worst case liquidation,
Do I have any sympathy for rangers fc?
No not one iota, they played their cards and ended up with a busted flush,
but I do have sympathy for the genuine supporter who finds the club they support staring into the abyss, not so long since albeit under extremely different circumstances we were the genuine supporters who were in a similar position, the club we love was in danger of being taken by the bank for monies owed, the monies owed in today’s footballing debt terms being ever so slightly less……….
the sympathy we received from the footballing fraternity was minimal, the understanding of the media non existent,
those were dark dark days indeed
Guys, no matter what happens, enjoy your weekend and cheer on the Hoops tomorrow.
Sometimes the journey is more enjoyable than reaching your destination.
Crisis meeting at Ipox. Sorting out a car pool to take the players to aberdeen.
Parks of Hamilton have cut the wheels from under them.
Ah well, just a couple tonight to soothe the nerves,if nothing else it saves me a hangover.
The ghood will prevail @1701
Very good letter.
Celtic without Rangers, Ranger without Celtic.
Either way, lose this, and Scottish Football is dead.
If it goes the way some of the fundimentalists on here want it to go then your crowds will drop season after season, no competitition, no TV money, no excitement, nothing.
And your board know it as well.
When Celtic last won the championship and the efforts were being made en masse to extend the season for the masqueraded benefit of Scottish football but really so they could cheat their way to 4 trophies, Peter Lawwell said that any further extension would create a question over “the integrity of the competition”.
Celtic sit at such another crossroads today. The integrity of the game in Scotland is now in question IF and I stress IF Rangers are allowed to waltz back in in their new form (minus their history of course as it is wiped out with the old name). Peter Lawwell made me proud when he said that back in 2008. It was the most important thing he has ever done as CEO and something for which I loved him for doing. That is what I expect from Celtic. They must know how much money Celtic has lost because the animals have cheated their way to every trophy they bought with other peoples’ money and for that outrage, Celtic must act on behalf of their fans and customers.
The other clubs who play in Scotland should realize something pronto – no Rangers in the top flight increases their chances of winning immensely. I harken back to an era when the Premier league was genuinely competitive – the 1980’s. Celtic , Aberdeen, Dundee United and even Hearts challenged for the first 6 titles of that decade and many times they challenged each other in the same seasons. Matches were won and lost home and away, players were produced who went on to play at higher levels in England none more so than at Aberdeen and even at Celtic also – Archibald, McGhee, Strachan, Black, McInally, McLair and even Judas all emerged because they got game time and there was genuine competition. Other sides produced players who moved to other Scottish clubs and 4-5-1 was non-existant and anti-football was the preserve of San Marino and their likes.
Then the beast came into Scotland, created hammer-throwing and the rest copied it and 30 years on Scottish football is dying because of their spending what they couldn’t afford and players who cannot play but who can kick lumps out of the opposition is allowed by our impartial referees who apply the rules when they feel like it.
I want a return to the 1980’s. I want to go to games expecting but not knowing if we are getting a game. I want to see the teams in the east challenging and I want prices dropped at Scottish grounds to see punters actually going to watch the game again. I want young managers trying to play football the right way. John Hughes, Gordon Strachan, Mark McGhee and Tony Mowbray were doing this and then Jeffries, The Cardigan and a whole host of anti-football peddlers who mainly were from the dark side brought back kick and rush and physical football – Scotland kicked out talent and replaced it with brawn again and we keep on dropping down the rankings – in 2008 remember Aberdeen played Bayern Munich in Europe AFTER CHRISTMAS and Scotland had 3 teams in Europe after Christmas for the first time since the 1980’s (albeit one team was the anti-football merchants drawing their way to a UEFA cup final and leaving a trail of destruction in their wake). Since 2008 the game has been getting worse in Scotland and only a radical shake up will snap us out of the mess we find ourselves in.
Make no bones about it. Rangers should most definitely be sent to the gallows for cheating to win titles and cups and the WHOLE of Scottish football should drag them there and put the noose around their necks for the money they have cost the other sides in Scotland AND THE TROPHIES.
Leaving aside their bought 9iar and starting with Advocaat’s time:
Celtic are due 2 league championships and 1 Scottish cup
Aberdeen are due a Scottish cup
Motherwell and St Johnstone are due a League cup as finalists
McLeish’s wins with Advocaat’s team should also hand Celtic, Dundee, Motherwell and Ayr United further silverware and this is all before you get into the number of teams who missed out on Champion’s league and UEFA cup qualifiers.
Make no mistake anyone reading this, their moronic fans will sleepwalk into this but our fans have our eyes wide open and by God our board had better have too.
As Shatner said in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered country when realising the Klingons were facing death “let them die”. They deserve it for the years of pain they have caused us, their bigotry and the hatred they cause and will again. They are the focal point for so much that makes Scotland a bad place and cutting them down to size is the least they deserve for all the things they have ever done. Bigotry, hate, supremacist nonsense defines them. To paraphrase Alasdiar Gray in Lanark – It’s all they’ve given the world, it’s all they’ve given themselves.
Celtic have given far more to the game of football and its enhancement than they ever will. We have given more to Scotland in terms of prestige than they ever have or will thanks to Jock Stein and Lisbon and the dominance in Europe. Big Jock taught Alex Ferguson how to be a manager and look at how he has made Manchester United. Kenny Dalglish is still the greatest player to have played in England bar none, Seville was an unbelievable exhibition of what Celtic are. The other mob have nothing like that, just a mickey mouse cup given to them in a toilet and a string of riots and trouble wherever they go. Their history is shortly to be erased and put in the dustbin where it belongs. Do not let them countenance sliming their way straight back into the SPL Celtic. Wee Fergus got most things right and when he said “It’s not just a football club” he was right again.
Think on it and act on it Celtic.
Over to you Mr Lawwell and Mr Desmond. Don’t let short term thinking be your downfall forever.
People on here and other sites have to get the message out to the board
NO DEALS WITH THE HUNS
If the board want to meekly accept being cheated and then conspire to bring the cheats back in for the sake of some money – then they deserve everything they get from now on!
Do they really think that having allowed the huns to escape with hardly a slap on the wrist – they will then get an even deal off the SPL and SFA in the future?
We might as well pay our ST money directly to the huns!
Should the board acquiesce in such a craven accomodation of the huns – then as a shareholder and ST holder – my decision will be simply to walk away
As the old adage goes
“Fool me once,shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me”
No appeasement of the huns
It was was wrong in the 1930s – it will be doubly wrong today!
HH
James Forrest is Lennon – I am going to open a bottle of Jack Daniels I’ve been keeping up on the shelf since Xmas.
James, please don’t drink that American cough syrup. I wouldn’t even give that to my pet ocelot.
Life is too short for nasty colonial booze.
Your liver deserves to process only the finest whisky, so I heartily recommend the following accessible masterpieces:
The Glenlivet 18 Year Old
Bruichladdich Rocks
Ardbeg 10 Year Old
Personally I enjoy my whisky with just a wee drop of Scottish water to help unbundle the full flavour. (thumbsup)
Ole Fraser Forster says he “wants a settled defence”
* no laughing in the back four *
Clutching at straws?
James 17:09
Excellent!
lies1690:
You know that song we sing with the line that says “If you read the history …” ?
Well even for the illiterate like you, reading your own is about to become a lot easier ….
That blank sheet is not for colouring in, though, right? Tempted as you’ll be to draw a Union Jack on it …
Che,
I bet they enjoyed telling you your objections to their unfair treatment was just sour grapes ?
Personally I have no sympathy for any of them, they refused to question if their victories were fairly won, they have been ridiculing us for over 5 years for telling them their financial strategy was in effect cheating.
hell mend them.
SO there we have it bhoys ,let the ragers do what they want when they want or else because we cannot do without them .
It is that very supremacist view that make me long for their demise ASAP .
Add me to the 15,000 bhoys and anyone else that thinks the start of this post is correct should form an orderly queue in the govan area .
hail hail
My dear,dear,dear,dear,friend…GG
Pal..
Ah hiv a wee story.. seein that ye are interested in Baseball
There is a Guid friend of Mine.. Her Name is Diane.. Sir Paul is familiar with her..
Anyway..
She went tae Marymount University, in L.A.
It is a Catholic University.
And one day, when Ah and Her Aunt wiz visiiting her, as we were
sitting in the Cafeteria.. a young Man approached the Table.. and asked
Diane , if she could help him with some home work.
She introduced him..
As..
“This Is Billy, he is not much good at School work.. but he sure kin hit a Base Ball.”
Yep..
Ah found oot later that his Name wiz.. Billy Bean!”
Fancy that?
He even played a Few Games fur the Dodgers..in his Later years..
He didn’t quite mak it big as A Player.. although ,he did mak the Big Leagues.
But, as a General Manager..
He has Shone…
Heck..
They hiv jist made a movie aboot his Life..
Anyway.. Ah jist thought ye may be a wee bit interested in that tale.
Kojo
yer pal…who likes ye aloater.
“james f”17.19.thats why you are my fav on here with”kojo”.please gonnae stop the ruff stuff.you tae “kojo”pal o mine.baseball never took in scotland !! neither did christianity!!! well no among the G.A.
Call us ole fashioned but the ole sect114 diehards sing ‘if you kno’ the history’.
But still, with all this goin’ on over there they could have changed it without lettin’ us kno’.
philvisreturns:
I do have a bottle of Glenmorangie on the shelf … 10 year old Highland single malt ….
I was saving that one too ….
Taken from Paul Larkin @paullarkin74..Lets see if they will treat them the same as us
Do you think we will see this on Sunday?
A decent Rangers supporter is an oxymoron.
The level of denial involved is beyond what any decent person should be capable of.
To endorse the “decent R supporter” is a sell out.
Bitter against them and their ilk? You bet I am.
That is why if there is any attempt to reintegrate them into the SPL, and Celtic don’t resign;
then it is a bigger sell out than anything the SFA have thrown at us in 123 years.
I thought it was good innaw JF.
V
truth4767
I would happily play in front of 10,000 ,if it meant the end of Bigot FC,but you are correct about our board,they will only vote against Rangers if their vote is inconsequential.
The Turkeys won’t vote for xmas.
TT
who are you
who are you
who are you
the song they’ll be facing in the scottish 3rd division :oD)
JF
now your talking
GG.
That is LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIVERSITY.
A Furgoat.. the Loyala part.. years ago ,it originally wiz a Catholic GiRLS UNIVERSITY
called Marymount..
It specializes in Law.
Gloria Allred.. who Ah know weill.. went there.
She and the Pookah.. are old Buddies.
Kojo
Kojo
You walk in remarkable circles.
Well I’m not quite so sure when you’re in snowy Scranton.
‘GG
thomthethim says:
28 October, 2011 at 17:25
you need to get out more.
Ah well the orcs are still with us, heading into Carlisle tonight to see the origina lHollies then up to Paradise tomorrow for the game , two out of three ain,t bad
For the umpteenth season we are being assailed by stories of the day of reckoning fast approaching for RFC meanwhile this busted flush talk may be pie in the sky as we all got sidetracked last season and previous as they picked up Championships and are on the way picking up a fourth from under our noses.
I’m suspicious of this annual smoke screen and hope Celtic maintain the good streak of form they have shown in Europe and in the SPL in recent weeks with another tomorrow.