Rosenborg went five years without winning the Norwegian title before Kare Ingebrigtsen turned things around. Under him, they were champions the last three seasons – back on the pertch. A mere two points off the pace, having scraped a win against Valur, he was sacked, just six days before his former team face Celtic.
It seems harsh. This is a club burdened by their Champions League history. Until 2004, when money replaced meritocracy, they held the record for the number of consecutive appearances in the group stage (8). But they never turned the lights off. They see clubs from other small nations reach the group stage of the Europa League and, to a lesser extent, the Champions League, and know they could do the same.
If they thought Ingebrigtsen’s team would have beaten Celtic he would still be in a job. Instead, they have thrown the dice in the hope of giving players an edge. The new interim boss’s only managerial gig in the last seven years was six weeks in charge of the Aruba national team. Since then he’s kicked around as a youth coach and been an assistant in Dubai. It’s a strange one.
Sacking a manager often leads to a short-term boost in results, which is all that is required for European qualification. Expect this tie to be competitive. That’s good, I prefer Celtic to play in games with a visible edge, than against unknowns with fire in their belly. Cool heads will be needed. On that subject, we’ll discuss Jozo later.
Newco, having successfully argued the SFA should refer the matter of Rangers’ eligibility for Uefa competition in 2011 to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), now request the SFA do not take the matter to CAS. It’s a kind of Newco logic; any victory in a storm.
They argue this procedural guidance establishes the complaint has no merit, whereas the SFA Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal did not address the complaint, only their competency to examine it.
The Judicial Panel ruled “the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.” The word “must” has been overlooked by Newco. The SFA must act accordingly. Taking the whole thing to Lausanne will make sure we don’t need to go through another round of “Who are these people” type witch-hunts. I know what you are thinking, Dave King has been making friend with the SFA on a weekly basis for months now, surely they will do his bidding.
I’m not sure Dave’s that clever.
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FT well done bhoys
Good for the young Bhoys. From what I saw, Hendereson looks a player. His big brother reckoned he was better than himself.
Excellent football from the young Bhoys
Try not to get excited about young prospects, but the young
Mr Henderson…………………….
Ewan Henderson looks a bit of a player.
“Glasgow Celtic, champions of Coleraine”
Yon baby Tims were well tidy.
Expected better – especially in terms of touch on the ball – from Man U.
Henderson MOTM by a country mile.
HH jamesgang
A fine performance.No failures in a comfy victory.
Two good results being watched side by side.
Brendan’s Babes beat Mourinho’s Minors
and Donegal walloped Rosscomon
Thought Henderson played in ftiendly game ?.
CYRENEAN,
Sorry to hear about Wee Rab. The next time I’m down your way I’ll try and drop into O‘Donnells
Friendly…..
GORDON64 on 21ST JULY 2018 6:55 PM
Ewan Henderson looks a bit of a player.
The boy Savoury looked tasty ….
Fairhill Bhoy 6.42pm
My mother referred to me as “an eijit” everyday I can remember so you are in good company :-)
P cum Salford
Henderson is indeed a player as is the Man Utd goal scorer……..IMO of course.
POG
Thanks. Give me a clue when you might get to Harrow and I’ll try and get big Stuart to come along.
Look forward to it.
Hail Hail
Watched the second half of the young hoops game.
Very impressed with Euan – with a ‘u’- Henderson.
The Norn Iron commentator reckoned we probably just deserved to win!
Feckin erse!
HH!!
GENE, just about to enter the m6 cauldron thanks for the info the other night, Cheltenham here we come.hh.
Great result for the young Bhoys. Had to stop watching when we went a goal down as I was heading out to catch a train to watch the Dubs in the Super 8s. We currently lead by two points at half time in a fairly evenly contested match so far. Second half will start in a couple minutes and is live on sky sports arena.
Up de Dubs.
BP1
safe journey
A superb days gowf at Carnoustie arguably the finest test of links golf in the world. The yanks are hogging the leader board but given the amount of birra
moretti siciliana & toscana I’ve drunk today ill be supporting Molinari.
Fellow Celts enjoy the rest of your weekend am afraid mobile devices have to be turned off for The Voice finale ……
Neg2 saw your post early this morning questioning P67 talking about Rosenberg (I think the article included another subject) …. anyhow my parting shot if you log in later a wee question
How many Celtic fans/supporters are more interested in Rosenborg or CAS rulings ???
Some fans/supporters can have there own version of Celtic even though I love these pages the majority of posts/posters bear no resemblance to Celtic fans/supporters that I have known and grew up with for nearly a half a century… sometimes either enjoy or don’t enjoy your own Celtic experiences …. it’s actually your own choice :-)
If you write that book I will definitely buy it (and maybe read it :-)
Hail Hail
Kids Voice Time??
Goal Dublin. 5 points clear now.
Gerry yes I understand that. However CQN has heavily featured the goings on with the Huns and claims not be lazy journalism.
Yesterday was very significant for res12 (sadly not in a good way) but there is no explanation or the temerity to ask the most important question. Why!
Not good enough.
To be honest those only interested in the football will in any case err “win” the day but lose the war and then wonder in horror when they are cheated and fail in the mid to long term…..
Twenty minutes left. Five points in it, in Dublin’s favour.
What was that commentator like in the under 19 game- according to him were were obviously the underdogs (I doubt he’d ever seen our under 19s) and despite pummeling the Mancs for the whole second half he felt we just about deserved the win. It could easily have been 6!!
Paul67 et al
“The Judicial Panel ruled ‘the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport'”
No it did not Paul.
“…….RFC challenged the jurisdiction of SFA Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal to hear the case and contended that The Notice of Complaint must be determined by the CAS.”
The decision by the JPDT, based on “submissions” (unpublished as far as I can see), was that they have “issued a decision upholding the preliminary issue (ie competence) raised by the club”
And that the “JPDT proposes to continue consideration of the Complaint until parties consider next step and Terms of Reference for any remit to CAS”
Agreeing with RFC that the JPDT does not have “competence” over a Complaint raised by the SFA’s own Compliance Officer” (re Art. 5 (2) and Art.5.1 (a) 2 SFA Articles of Association) does not mean the Complaint will automatically go before the CAS, it is after all primarily a Court of Appeal, but that if it does not go there, the SFA (via its’ own Tribunals) has effectively stated, that they do not have jurisdiction over RFC under any guise.
No surprise to many on here I know.
Me..never happy…Marspapa…would hav preferred if you’d said young E Henderson looked savvy or even gallus…bout timd we had another ;-))
H.H .
Ten minutes left. Lead reduced to four points.
Reading Euan Henderson showed up well against Man Ure today
Sure Liam when breaking through at Celtic said his two wee brothers
were better than him.
Do we have both of them ?
JAMESGANG on 21ST JULY 2018 6:58 PM
“Glasgow Celtic, champions of Coleraine”
Yon baby Tims were well tidy.
Expected better – especially in terms of touch on the ball – from Man U.
I thought that too mate, instant control in most tight areas, i thought Henderson, Welsh and the GK looked very good, great fitness in the 2nd half.
Delaneys Donkey
If not about someone tell him that on BBC iplayer
Lech Walensa story in available
Solidarnosc
Karol Wojtyla
Dubs lead by three points as we go into five minutes of injury time.
Apropos new signings, centre halfs (halves?) or otherwise, they need to want to sign for Celtic. A lot more difficult than it sounds. HH
Dubs win 1-14 to 0-14.
On the JPDT and CAS this post on SFM is worth absorbing.
HirsutePursuit
July 21, 2018 at 10:53
Excuse me if I’m missing something blindingly obvious here…
What if I hire a car and sign an undertaking that says that I will take responsibility for any traffic offences.
My wife is also insured and double parks next to a crossing and received a ticket.
Later, the police arrive at my door and say “we are charging you with parking in a dangerous manner and this could mean up to 6 penalty points on your licence.”
“But”, I protest, ” I wasn’t driving the car at the time.”
“Doesn’t matter”, they say together, ” you signed the form taking responsibility for any traffic offences.”
…of course, this would never happen.
However…
The SFA have inexplicably set out the party in breach as ‘Rangers FC’. A trading name of one of its current members and a trading name of one of its former members.
It’s worth pointing out that the SFA members are not all football clubs. So we can set aside, for the moment, whether the current entity, founded in 2012, is the same association football club as the one founded in 1872/73.
No, the point here is that the SFA has jurisdiction over its members.
The Rangers Football Club Ltd (previously Sevco Scotland Ltd) became a member of the SFA (from memory) on 14th June 2012 when it was admitted as a member of the Scottish Football League.
The Rangers Football Club plc (now RFC 2012 PLC (IL)) was a member of the SFA until 3rd August 2012 when its full SFA membership was transferred to Sevco Scotland Ltd and its registered SFA membership lapsed as it transferred its SPL membership to Dundee FC.
Whether or not you accept the ‘big lie’ that the association football club is the same, no-one has yet suggested that Rangers Football Club PLC and Sevco Scotland Ltd are the same company.
To be absolutely accurate, the SFA should have named the member by its company title and not by its trading name. Especially important because two recent members have used that same trading name.
The SFA should have said that the party in breach was The Rangers Football Club plc (now RFC 2012 PLC (IL)). By using a trading name, they have introduced an unnecessary level of uncertainty as to which member is actually being charged.
Had the SFA set out the charges correctly, The Rangers Football Club Ltd (previously Sevco Scotland Ltd), I would imagine, would still be entitled to make representations as an interested party – with the possibility of a POTENTIAL liability arising under the 5WA.
However, and this is the key point, the 5WA only comes into play if The Rangers Football Club plc (now RFC 2012 PLC (IL)) are found guilty of a breach.
As it stands, the SFA has apparently charged a current member with an alleged breach carried out by a former member. It appears to have used the 5WA to contend that the two members (companies) can be treated as one and the same.
The current member – quite rightly in my opinion – appears to have disputed the SFA’s interpretation.
The current member appears to be saying that you (the SFA) cannot charge us for events that occurred before we existed.
The answer to the current position is patently obvious.
The SFA MUST drop the current flawed proceedings against ‘Rangers FC’ and set out a new notice of complaint against ‘The Rangers Football Club plc (now RFC 2012 PLC (IL))’
The current member would not be ‘charged’ with any offence committed by another party.
If, after due process, the former member is found guilty and the current member then disputes the liability the SFA says was agreed under the 5WA, it would then be appropriate to refer that dispute to the CAS.
The current charges cannot, in my opinion, go to the CAS, as the SFA would (from what I have seen) be 100% certain to lose.
“Rangers FC” is currently used as a trading name of The Rangers Football Club Ltd (previously Sevco Scotland Ltd).
The party in (alleged) breach was The Rangers Football Club plc (now RFC 2012 PLC (IL)).
close almore
Up The Dubs
The above post can be read at https://www.sfm.scot/to-comply-or-not-to-comply/?cid=176470 but the subsequent comments following it are worth reading to try and get a handle on the issue.