Rosenborg went five years without winning the Norwegian title before Kare Ingebrigtsen turned things around. Under him, they were champions the last three seasons – back on the pertch. A mere two points off the pace, having scraped a win against Valur, he was sacked, just six days before his former team face Celtic.
It seems harsh. This is a club burdened by their Champions League history. Until 2004, when money replaced meritocracy, they held the record for the number of consecutive appearances in the group stage (8). But they never turned the lights off. They see clubs from other small nations reach the group stage of the Europa League and, to a lesser extent, the Champions League, and know they could do the same.
If they thought Ingebrigtsen’s team would have beaten Celtic he would still be in a job. Instead, they have thrown the dice in the hope of giving players an edge. The new interim boss’s only managerial gig in the last seven years was six weeks in charge of the Aruba national team. Since then he’s kicked around as a youth coach and been an assistant in Dubai. It’s a strange one.
Sacking a manager often leads to a short-term boost in results, which is all that is required for European qualification. Expect this tie to be competitive. That’s good, I prefer Celtic to play in games with a visible edge, than against unknowns with fire in their belly. Cool heads will be needed. On that subject, we’ll discuss Jozo later.
Newco, having successfully argued the SFA should refer the matter of Rangers’ eligibility for Uefa competition in 2011 to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), now request the SFA do not take the matter to CAS. It’s a kind of Newco logic; any victory in a storm.
They argue this procedural guidance establishes the complaint has no merit, whereas the SFA Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal did not address the complaint, only their competency to examine it.
The Judicial Panel ruled “the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.” The word “must” has been overlooked by Newco. The SFA must act accordingly. Taking the whole thing to Lausanne will make sure we don’t need to go through another round of “Who are these people” type witch-hunts. I know what you are thinking, Dave King has been making friend with the SFA on a weekly basis for months now, surely they will do his bidding.
I’m not sure Dave’s that clever.
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Negannon2
My daughter has no interest in football (probably just to annoy me) but I can assure you one thing Celtic & football are way, way down the list of priorities in my life/family … football, sport and in most avenues where people can become rich have no morals at all…. so I can assure you my child (and if I have any more) will not be relying on anything to do with sport as their virtues
I love Celtic but Celtic is never the be all and end all in my life… life is far too short… but I would definitely buy that book and I hope you write it… because that’s got heehaw to do with Celtic the matter how much you try to blame them :-)
CELTARELLA on 21ST JULY 2018 10:53 PM
Celtic is the beaten wife that needs the money. The huns are the abusive husband and the rest of Scottish Football are the bigoted in-laws. There. is that analogy simple enough for yeez?
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Its simple but clearly inaccurate. Since the abusive husband went into decline by poor gambling, the beaten wifes money supply has grown by what? Five fold?
The blue pound model burst the blue pounders to Celtic’s benefit (and I appreciate I’m challenging a family belief but yer bro was looking good last Saturday until he went to the game but he seems as right as he will ever be. ;)
braystreet10.56pn
Whit ?
No reply to my response to your post
Just decades of bigotry ?
Auldheid
Its as accurate as the Old Firm.
The abusive husband is on a bit of a downer these days because he canny use his credit card anymore but he’ll be back to kick the &^%$ oot of her soon enough.
Aye I talked to him yesterday.
Celtarella I have often thought of that analogy. It’s certainly an unhealthy and abusive relationship. But as we all know living in fear isn’t living. Appeasing is dying.
Auldheid. I do understand the point. Perhaps the slaves in the south of the US had the same love of their masters. But eventually even they saw that they had to force reform.
If you knew your best friends girlfriend was cheating on them would you tell him?
NA2
This is where I am torn.
I love Celtic but I have not an ounce of affection for those who run the club, they know that we will weigh in, be it season books, merchandise and the like, it’s fine just now for them cos we are on the upward curve, it won’t always be so, the world and football goes in cycles.
Problem is what is the answer ??????
Devils advocate here……
I am 100% sure we as a club could expose the sfa, the spl, the huns for what has gone down, the suits know fine well what has happened, I would be mightily miffed if they didn’t, we know so they have to know.
In a way I understand why they are saying feck all, in the same breath I am stunned at their silence, by their silence they are actually breaking the law, they know that a fraud is taking place and they are not speaking out to protect their shareholders, it’s quite simple really, they seem to be torn, they have obviously decided that playing the game in a hostile country and keeping a silence is the best policy and feck the consequences, till the consequences of their silence bites them on the erse, then as has been sid many’s a time will be to fecking late
If we want justice, IMO, the best way to get it is on the field, sort the referees and it will be sorted, they will never in a month of sundays get near us, they have cheated from their inception, they have had the suits and the referees onside for well over 100 years and look at where they are now, the sure way to keep them there is honest referees, it’s really is that simple, this again IMO is where the club should be directing their ire, they can cheat to their sectarian heats content off the field, it will make not a jot of difference if we have a level playing field on it.
Just my humble opinion for what it’s worth, cos we both know that as long as we are in scotland we will always be at the back of the bus, always, to think otherwise is deluding yourself.
HH
Celtic became the greatest football club in the world in spite of Scotland and the SFA. Hh
Once we skelp ‘them’ regularly most of us will be happy.
Of course Rangers shouldn’t exist anymore. Ibrox should have been sold to pay the creditors (that’s what would have happened to Parkhead if it was Celtic )
But here we are, life goes on. Regular skelping will do for me
Auldheid.
Thanks for the links and info from the SFM .
The example of the car is simplistic but perfect.
The glaring question remains.
Will Celtic point out the inconsistencies to the “governing body” ?
Gerry.
Celtic certainly means different things to many.
Personally, I love going to games & mixing with like minded Tims .
I know for a fact that I’ve paid into a sport that I’m emotionally
and financially committed to. I know that I’ve been ripped off.
I know that Celtic and all clubs bar one have been cheated.
Winning trebles doesn’t change it .
Being silent is now proving to be complicit or utterly useless.
Something needs to change or watching games on TV or in the
boozer with my mates that don’t go ,will be my commitment.
Some form of Rangers will win the league again sometime.
When its declared as number 55 , they’ve won more than another
title. They will have proven that the cheats prosper .
Gerry sadly your daughter will be impacted because Scottish societies sickness will be unchecked and it makes us all the poorer (it’s not just about football).
As for my book it will show the relationship between so called football clubs and wider society is correlated but perhaps more sha,fully how the champions of the racist victims in Scotland were actually contributing to the racism and prolonging it for their 20 pieces of silver…..
Scottish Football has been bent/corrupt/rigged for many years, choose whatever word you please. Despite recent hopes we were moving in a different direction, it’s looking like more of the same. I don’t blame Celtic for this.
The question for me as a ST holder is how far are Celtic willing to go to change this? In the past we could have done more, perhaps we weren’t paying enough attention or maybe we looked the other way as things were unfolding. If we look the other way as the latest fudge unfolds, personally i will feel badly let down. It wont stop me supporting Celtic though.
It took us a long time to bury the old club.
The new entity could be eradicated in a year or two, if the current custodians of Celtic so wished.
I’m beginning to doubt that they intend to put Sevco to sleep, sorry to say.
HH. ?
Sadly we live in a country with a kiddy on government in a toy town parliament that acquiesces to the worst elements of our society. Ergo more Orange walks coming to a town near you soon. Hh
TET really. The referees?
They are appointed by the sfa. Who are run by sevco, who are overseen by Scottish racists institutions.
They are so far down the packing order. They do as they are told.
I have met a few junior referees. Huns each and every one of them.
Worse they are acolytes. Blue eyed aryans of the cause.
Who else would the sfa pick.
We can’t wi this on the field. They simply won’t let us.
They are the master race. We aren’t human.
That’s the way it is for Scotland.
Who would win between,……
A smug cheat, or, a blind mug ?
Well Gerry they are nothing but the sheep and cows in the field. Happy to wait for their slaughter.
NEGANON2 on 21ST JULY 2018 10:42 PM
Auldheid I think it’s time we had that beer.
The one thing I wouldn’t accuse the Celtic board of is stupidity. They are up to their necks in this stuff and Paul just plays a fiddle for them.
There is no evidence that Celtic haven’t been outflanking it’s own support. Carefully constructed and released email trails do not constitute evidence.
I think you and the others have been an admiral Thorne in the side of a corrupt organisation and country. But the thing that really kills you is when those who you believe you are fighting for,are shoving the Thorne in you/our side.
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You really want to talk to BRTH and I on that one. How daft do you think we are? Who put the thorn in their side and has kept it there since 2013 and why was it done?
As Sancho Panza said to me once, “They don’t know how to deal with us.” When Celtic haven’t acted we didn’t strop off, we acted.
As I said i look at the evidence and those email/letters you dismiss suggest to me that you might be missing an alternative point which is Celtic are running into the very thing you rail against – racism (to use your words) and indicate a failure to recognize that Celtic face that same problem when they make points that if made in England would have had a totally different response.
Is it all Celtic’s fault they are not as powerful to effect the social change you and I would like to happen?
David17.sheep and cows in the field……….
Aye the old club is buried at Ibrox.
Angel Gabriel 11.10pm
One of my favourite monikers :-)
Why not go if you enjoy watching the hoops, never let the cheats influence your own enjoyment, remember CQN internet land is kid on and not real life :-)
Neg2
My daughter will never be effected by football, it’s not that important, maybe for some it’s the be all and end all but for many it’s not
NA2
You are obviously missing the point completly.
Yes the referees, they are the key to honesty and transparency, sort them and it’s sorted.
During the huns niar, the smsm were all there is no competition in scotland and that’s how the huns were papped out of europe each season, when in reality they were papped out of europe because there was honest and fair referees in charge of their games.
The club could force if they so wished that we had an open and transparent refereeing system in place if they so wished, they obviously choose not to or it would have been done before now.
We are just gonna have to accept where we are in sectarian land.
You can bump your gums till the cows come home, all it will get you is sore gums my amigo.
HH
NEGANON2 on 21ST JULY 2018 11:13 PM
Gerry sadly your daughter will be impacted because Scottish societies sickness will be unchecked and it makes us all the poorer (it’s not just about football).
As for my book it will show the relationship between so called football clubs and wider society is correlated but perhaps more sha,fully how the champions of the racist victims in Scotland were actually contributing to the racism and prolonging it for their 20 pieces of silver…..
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Did you know I contributed a chapter to a book called Bigotry, Football and Scotand?
The Chapter heading was ” Sectarianism Sells, (or Does it) the latter part indicating how badly it had worked out for Rangers.
Auldheid. If Celtic choose to do so they could make the first domino fall.
Just like a man locked in a prison in South Africa for years did.
Or even just a catholic priest who wouldn’t just let an assault on him pass as minor did.
We live in a world where racism if called creates a big impact.
Is it just a lack of more courage or a love of money?
As a great man once said…..
“Empty the park, and march with Auldheid’s rebels.
Or,
Fill the park, and hide inside the board’s pockets, at the back of the bus. “
Why is it so hard to believe that some Celtic fans want to hammer the huns whether it be 1872 or 2012 the same flies are hoovering around whatever shoite is there ?
Or is it CQN the Uber intellectual Celtic wing …. if the cheats do disappear what happens when Sky walk away, BT say fcuck this, maybe god forbid VFR won’t fill a table at Coias or even worse Weet Weet Weet dimghys me for a few beers on the Brig
Sometimes be wary what you wish for as you might actually get it
Neganon- i am closer to a lot of your posts on here than some , each to their own, keep on keeping on HH
Gerry for as long as you live in Scotland your daughter will be impacted. You can’t live in a racist country and not be impacted. Sorry.
TET I get we live in a racist country. We will never get fair referees in a racist country. You don’t even get near being a referee at junior levels unless you uphold the racism.
Auldheid I read the book (its upstairs).i found it a sorry excuse for Scotland’s racism.
Neg2 11.25pm
Any chance I can be a bull or a ram :-)
Gerry not everything is about money. In fact nothing that matters is about money.
Naw Gerry. Both of them show aggression and need locked in their own field. You guys are just sheep or cows. Led to your slaughter without a whimper.
NA2
So what is the answer ?
I have done my bit, been arrested for my beliefs, spent time in the jail for them, decided many moons ago that I couldn’t change the sectarian shithole so left, some may say I crapped it, fine by me, I brought my weans up in a far better place than scotland.
Celtic is in my blood, that will never change, the crap that goes with that is something I will just have to live with, tho I have to say is well minimsed due to my location
HH
Neg2 11.35pm
That is a lot of shoite
When my parents had my two older brother & sisters I’m the 50s & 60s maybe that post was relevant, I was born in 1970 …. have worked all my days and nearly I’m every working environment has had plenty of catholics (if that’s what you are alluding too) I know you aren’t stupid but sometimes even intelligent people can have stupid views …. so it’s Celtic’s fault for a society problem ? Stick to the fitba once you veer away your point is lost
Hail Hail
Cracking Blog tonight.
PIL
PLC
CFC
CSC
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Despite all that is happening or not.
The Young Celts looked the part, the Bhoy Euan looks almost first team ready. It’s pre Season for these lads too.
Gerry.
Watching Celtic is real life. Being cheated or wronged is real life .
I’m all for forgiveness, but before anyone asks for forgiveness they’ve got to acknowledge that they’ve done wrong.
Trust me , I’ve done plenty wrong , and have often sought forgiveness. I could live with paying into a rigged game if there’s change on the horizon. My hope of change rests with 4 guys who post on CQN. Having shared time & a bevy with a couple of them I know that they’re genuine. I also actually trust that our chief executive is also genuine , but he’s got a business to run .
If the business involves lying down to corruption then the business he runs ain’t getting my dough.
Time will tell. HH
NEGANON2 on 21ST JULY 2018 11:30 PM
Auldheid. If Celtic choose to do so they could make the first domino fall.
Just like a man locked in a prison in South Africa for years did.
Or even just a catholic priest who wouldn’t just let an assault on him pass as minor did.
We live in a world where racism if called creates a big impact.
Is it just a lack of more courage or a love of money?
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in 2011 I was at an Open meeting in St Marys held by CST and CSA. Canalamar was there and at the end introduced himself to me with the CQN Greeting. Are you a hun?
During the meeting Mark McGee’s Eyeliner who is now happily married and no longer a CQN poster was at my side.
Jeanette Findlay was explaining Celtic’s position on what I think was The Poppy on the Jersey issue.
On hearing it and at the same time Mark and I both growled ” Time Celtic grew a set”.
I’m still waiting.
Its not the money because I think the blue pound model is dead and it pursuit will kill the current mob.
This talk about CAS is nonsense, it’s a smoke screen. Even if the SFA take it to CAS they will lose because they’ve tied themselves in knots in the 5 way agreement.
What i want Celtic to do now is call this fraud out. The SFA have failed to properly deal with the license issue to the extent that they haven’t properly dealt with the evidence relating to the granting of the license, instead focusing on the monitoring period. That would need to go to CAS as well but why was the granting excluded. Overall this is unacceptable given what is known.
I suggested on here months ago that the evidence should be handed to the City of London police. This should be done and i assume the Res12 guys can do this too.
Celtic asked for a review and didn’t get it. Instead the SFA threw us the bone that was the license issue. What i want Celtic to do now is call out the SFA for what they are, incompetent and corrupt, in a formal manner. Carefully worded but properly done and hitting the target. Maxwell may be new but he’s looking like a chip off the old block.
Standing up for the supporters and protecting the shareholders is the minimum we should expect. If this upsets some people and ruffles some feathers then so be it. It’s no good wanting to get along with everyone when we are being cheated.
NEGANON2 on 21ST JULY 2018 11:35 PM
My chapter wasn’t.
It was about tackling the causes or contributing factors, something I still have an interest in.
DAVID17 on 21ST JULY 2018 11:51 PM
This talk about CAS is nonsense, it’s a smoke screen. Even if the SFA take it to CAS they will lose because they’ve tied themselves in knots in the 5 way agreement.
What i want Celtic to do now is call this fraud out. The SFA have failed to properly deal with the license issue to the extent that they haven’t properly dealt with the evidence relating to the granting of the license, instead focusing on the monitoring period. That would need to go to CAS as well but why was the granting excluded. Overall this is unacceptable given what is known.
I suggested on here months ago that the evidence should be handed to the City of London police. This should be done and i assume the Res12 guys can do this too.
Celtic asked for a review and didn’t get it. Instead the SFA threw us the bone that was the license issue. What i want Celtic to do now is call out the SFA for what they are, incompetent and corrupt, in a formal manner. Carefully worded but properly done and hitting the target. Maxwell may be new but he’s looking like a chip off the old block.
Standing up for the supporters and protecting the shareholders is the minimum we should expect. If this upsets some people and ruffles some feathers then so be it. It’s no good wanting to get along with everyone when we are being cheated.
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Please send that to Celtic please.
It will save my breath.