Rosenborg went five years without winning the Norwegian title before Kare Ingebrigtsen turned things around. Under him, they were champions the last three seasons – back on the pertch. A mere two points off the pace, having scraped a win against Valur, he was sacked, just six days before his former team face Celtic.
It seems harsh. This is a club burdened by their Champions League history. Until 2004, when money replaced meritocracy, they held the record for the number of consecutive appearances in the group stage (8). But they never turned the lights off. They see clubs from other small nations reach the group stage of the Europa League and, to a lesser extent, the Champions League, and know they could do the same.
If they thought Ingebrigtsen’s team would have beaten Celtic he would still be in a job. Instead, they have thrown the dice in the hope of giving players an edge. The new interim boss’s only managerial gig in the last seven years was six weeks in charge of the Aruba national team. Since then he’s kicked around as a youth coach and been an assistant in Dubai. It’s a strange one.
Sacking a manager often leads to a short-term boost in results, which is all that is required for European qualification. Expect this tie to be competitive. That’s good, I prefer Celtic to play in games with a visible edge, than against unknowns with fire in their belly. Cool heads will be needed. On that subject, we’ll discuss Jozo later.
Newco, having successfully argued the SFA should refer the matter of Rangers’ eligibility for Uefa competition in 2011 to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), now request the SFA do not take the matter to CAS. It’s a kind of Newco logic; any victory in a storm.
They argue this procedural guidance establishes the complaint has no merit, whereas the SFA Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal did not address the complaint, only their competency to examine it.
The Judicial Panel ruled “the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.” The word “must” has been overlooked by Newco. The SFA must act accordingly. Taking the whole thing to Lausanne will make sure we don’t need to go through another round of “Who are these people” type witch-hunts. I know what you are thinking, Dave King has been making friend with the SFA on a weekly basis for months now, surely they will do his bidding.
I’m not sure Dave’s that clever.
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This copied from SFM was a basis for thinking there was something about the grant of the licence to hide in 2011. This period has been excluded from the JPDT and even it it gets to CAS will not be covered as things stand.
Its this friggin period that caused the SFA Judicial Protocal to be called into play yet it ended on the cutting room floor before it got as far as the JPDT!
In terms of the SFA now lifting the lid on the granting of the UEFA Licence in 2011 read this series of e mails from Stewart Regan starting with Ali Russell, then CEO of Rangers the day after Regan had discussed the granting of the licence with Andrew Dickson, who was on the SFA Licensing Committee, so would know both the position when Licence granted in March/April 2011 and on what basis under UEFA FFP at the time when the granting actually happened.
Note the response from Ramsay Smith a media man.
Note also the justification Regan gave for granting the licence, one he repeated in different forms in public, his the bill had not crystalised argument.
Finally look who got involved at the end – Campbell Ogilvie the man who gave testimony to the LNS commission in 2012 but did not know or make the distinction between DOS ebts (which he initiated in 1999 and the cause of the overdue payable issue that prompted the dinner meeting) and the loan type ebts under the MGMRT of which he was a recipient.
But everything was in order with the granting it seems.
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From: Andrew Dickson Date: 7 December 2011 To: Ali Russell > Cc: Craig Whyte
Ali I refer to attached email, I have asked Stephen and Carol to get Ramsay’s view on this. We have had no press calls on this and again I have concerns that if the SFA issue this as a general release it will raise the whole issue again and indeed add to speculation about a licence for next season. Please can I have your thoughts .
Regards Andrew
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From: Stephen Kerr Sent: 07 December 2011 To: Andrew Dickson; Carol Patton
And the media follow up question today once statement is released will be – Will Rangers get a licence for next season?
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From: Stewart Regan Sent: 07 December 2011 To: Ali Russell; Andrew Dickson
Ali/Andrew Further to my discussion yesterday with Andrew on the matter of Rangers FC’s European licence I would like to release the following statement. I believe this will be in the interest of both the club and ourselves and I hope you agree. Please can you confirm that you are happy with the content. If so, I would propose to issue this later today at an agreed time with yourselves.
Thanks Stewart
(Regan’s proposed draft)
In light of persistent speculation across all media, the Scottish FA would like to clarify the position in regard to Rangers FC’s licence to play in Europe as governed by Article 50 of the UEFA Regulations. It is noted from the report submitted to the Licensing Committee by Rangers FC’s advisors Grant Thornton UK LLP, dated 30th March 2011, that:
“All the recorded payroll taxes at 31 December 2010 have, according to the accounting records of the Club since that date been paid in full by 31 March 2011, with the exception of the continuing discussion between the Club and HM Revenue and Customs in relation to a potential liability of £2.8m associated with contributions between 1999 and 2003 into a discounted option scheme. Theseamounts have been provided for in full within the interim financial statements.”
Since the potential liability was under discussion by Rangers FC and HM Revenue & Customs as at 31st March 2011, it could not be considered an overdue payable as defined by Article 50. We are satisfied that the evidence from all parties complied with Article 50 and, on that basis, a licence was awarded for season 2011-12. Add editor’s notes. (Include Article 50 here from UEFA Regulations)
Stewart M. Regan Chief Executive The Scottish F.A.
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From: Craig Whyte Date: 7 December 2011 To: Andrew Dickson cc: Ali Russell , Craig Whyte It would be crazy for them to put this out. Ali, please call me on this. Sent from my iPad
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From: Ramsay Smith Date: 7 December 2011: To: Stephen Kerr , Carol Patton , Ali Russell , Craig Whyte , Craig Whyte
All
We should put some pressure on the SFA from a high level, from Ali or Andrew to say we do not believe this is a good idea the SFA putting out such as statement. It stirs up the issue again. What they should do is if they get a legitimate media inquiry respond to it by saying there is no issue whatsoever with Rangers licensing arrangement with the SFA. If they persist they will only cause issues for themselves as much as Rangers.
Ramsay
From: Ali Russell Sent: 07 December 2011 To: Stewart Regan; Andrew Dickson Cc: Ramsay Smith Stephen Kerr
Stewart, Tried to phone you. Would prefer no comment or the following “We have looked at this matter and there is no issue with the licence granted to Rangers from the SFA. “
I look forward to speaking to you later, Ali
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From: Ali Russell Date: 7 December 2011 To: Craig Whyte , Andrew Dickson , Fiona Goodall Cc: Craig Whyte Ramsay, StephenKerr, Gary Withey
All sorted – Held until further notice and I have agreed we will meet Stewart and Campbell for dinner in the next couple of weeks to discuss bigger issues. I also made it clear we were very unhappy with the approach the SFA took last week! Hopefully we can move forward now.
Kind Regards, Ali
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Subject:Dinner with Stewart Regan/Campbell Ogilvie/Craig WhyteDate:Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:31:30From:Ali Russell To: Craig Whyte
Craig, just to confirm that the dinner with Stewart Regan/Campbell Ogilvie, yourself and Ali will be on the 20th @ 7.00pm.
I have booked the Glengoyne private dining in Hotel du Vin, and also provisionally booked a hotel room for you (if you’d require?)
Fiona
Ivehadto: sure was. Fair play to Tyrone. They made it a tight game.
Good to see Tony Watt score the winner for St Johnstone todsy. Hope he can get his career back on track.
Finally (and Neganon you should read it to end to see edit.) including the link material.
Auldheid
July 21, 2018 at 12:42
For what its worth Celtic’s policy has been not to interfere with the Judicial Process that all clubs signed up to a few years back.
It was Regan’s baby and he deserves credit for establishing it, for in terms of on the field misdemeanors and video reviews its far better than what went before where, lets say, others at Hampden might be in a position to influence what was scrutinised or left on the cutting room floor.
However when it comes to an issue where the SFA themselves come under scrutiny and my earlier post on Regan shows why they are, then that process is hopelessly inadequate.
It only reinforces the request the SPFL made for a total independent review of SFA handling of Rangers use of ebts covered in a series of letters last September.
http://cdn.celticfc.net/assets/downloads/SFA_Correspondence.pdf
what is emerging since is that the SPFL were right to place that request and if Scottish football is ever to lose the stink of corruption such an investigation should go ahead by the SPFL with or without SFA co operation starting with taking up Regan’s suggestion that Lord Nimmo Smith is asked to look at his decision based on Sir David’s Murray’s testimony to the FTT but with all the other information not disclosed to him but known since.
On the basis why the current non compliance case was instigated, note what Regan said on link provided in his letter of 18 August 2017 page 2 The Craig Whyte Trial: The Wee Tax Case. (which apparently has been resolved although we will never know why because it was dropped for unknown reasons from JPDT scrutiny)
It is quite clear from what Regan has consistently said that the SFA granted the licence because of an ongoing dispute and that is simply not the case, so why is it not part of whatever process is used to get the truth out there? Was the truth too hot to handle?
Scottish football is at a crossroads it should have crossed in 2012 only this time its not a crossroads its a crisis and some strong leadership is required – over to you Mr Maxwell – become Turnbull Hutton.
Edit: It seems obvious Celtic’s strategy now needs to be reviewed and a request to meet to discuss is in process.
The young Celts looked far better than their Man U counterparts with the exception of their number two.
Commentator was obviously a Northern Irish hun who grudgingly gave praise though we were superior in every department.
Was impressed by the Bhoys patience ,choices and ability on the ball.
Our keeper was fantastic with his feet and one save was from the Gordon Banks book of saves.
Henderson was the pick of the bunch but they all performed excellently.
Man U also showed zero class with lots of diving, feigning injury, whining and kicking the ball away on a few occasions .I guess they are being taught Mourinho,s methods.
A desreved victory and a scoreline that flattered our opponents.
Persistence may well be resistance but it sure as hell won’t beat the masonic cabal that has controlled this country for centuries and the governance of Scottish football since its inception.
GORDON64 on 21ST JULY 2018 9:32 PM
Persistence may well be resistance but it sure as hell won’t beat the masonic cabal that has controlled this country for centuries and the governance of Scottish football since its inception.
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Nail on the head, couldn’t have put it better masel :-)
HH
Auldheid I’m sorry but I can’t follow any of this.
The issue is unerringly simple. It’s just being made complex to disguise it.
Frankly I have no confidence in Celtic. None.
They are charlatans and so is Paul. They have sold us down the river and they cannot change course now for fear they will be discovered.
This is a pathetic sham. Full of deliberate mistakes!willingness to mix the old and the new to suit whatever position they want to take. Utterly wanton corruption. Cowardice on the part of Celtic and paul67 and frankly from you auldheid a willingness to endlessly debate simple matters and complicate them.
You have been outplayed and outflanked by organisations steeped in racism.
You won’t be the last either.
And it’s not really a criticism. You have achieved way more than most (certainly me).
But it’s their baw auldheid. And they have taken it off us.
The people who could really exposed this are the Celtic board. But they are too busy calling their own support criminal racists to give a damn and too steeped I their own corruption.
Celtic will die over all of this. Sure not right now. But they will die.
And the racists will thrive and corruption will thrive.
All the detail is simply bullshit.
And you know it.
Fan-a-tic
Commentator goes by the name Michael clarke,gave little praise to a very good Celtic side,because,well because it would break his little heart!Nuff said.Fair play to the hoops fans,making the journey to hostile territory.
FAN-A-TIC on 21ST JULY 2018 @ 9:23 PM
I agree with everything you say about team but I disagree about commentator. I don’t know who he is but I think he was very fair. I also liked that there was no co-commentator offering “insights”.
Who would get the trophies stripped the quickest……
1. The fenian Jungle rebels from the hoosin schemes of the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s ?
Or,
2. The fenian rebel song singers with the big flashy motors, and gold plated pensions from the 2010’s ?
Asking for a fellow ghost.
HH
Thanks.
Goodbyes.
Neg2 8.04pm
I rarely disagree with nearly all of your posts …. if the Celtic board are “complicit” in the Hun cheating should they harm Celtic just to appease the minority…. I dislike cheating and if Celtic cheated like the huns cheated it would effect my affection for my club but there is no way in this lifetime I would let the the cheats effect my interaction with my club … some might walk away and blame the “bored” but I have yet to cheer any goal the bored scored
so like every other poster I will stick with my Celtic …. who in fact have never needed to win, the love is unconditional…. in spite of good or not so good Boards
✔️
As Kev J highlighted we are Celtic however as long as we keep winning there is little desire amongst the majority of the support to rock the boat. If that were to change who knows, but as Neg2 said by then it will be too late. Hh
Auldheid,
I imagine your Saturday night postings are for Sunday morning perusal?
Love your work and I have not given up on it’s success.
Eurochamps67
Evening Bhoys.
King Moussa and Prince Eddie are gonna have us partying every week of the season.
Twitter reporting a 3rd bid for John McGinn?
Any word on defensive reinforcements?
HH
Neganon
Celtic will never die bro
No call for the begrudgery though.
HH. ?
G64 10.07pm
Too late for what ?
New Klub ? Old Klub ? Nothing will ever change that mobs mindset they think the world is against them … am pretty happy I have witnessed them struggling against Brechin, Progres and Oseijiek should take a few goals off them home and away … will they ever be gone ? Never, but it’s enjoyable watching their continual demise …. like BMCUWP I have grew up with a few of the entitled mob and they are broken…. my only worry is our fans who want Celtic to spend, spend, spend …. reading some posts on here (only here) some Celtic fans feel like they deserve better :-)
Burghbhoy 10.10pm
Need to disagree …
Not sure what one of our young French superstars will be raging when Super Leigh gets the scoring boots back on
(still our best finisher CSC)
Neg. I don’t think celtic will die but will b weaker as a result. 2 late to stand up now. It’s been going on for decades. They have gotten away with it. Just look what happened to the qc.
Let me see if I’ve got this right.
We laugh and ridicule the idea that the club and the corporate entity can be separate and separated when it plays in blue out of Ibrox.
But.
When something that might be rotten is the responsibility of the Board it’s not really Celtic, or we can at least continue our support as if it doesn’t matter.
I gave my season ticket up in Ronny’s last season and I’ve been waiting for Celtic, as in the board, to convince me I was wrong.
I’m still waiting.
NEGANON2 on 21ST JULY 2018 9:41 PM
Auldheid I’m sorry but I can’t follow any of this.
The issue is unerringly simple. It’s just being made complex to disguise it.
A. No and I think the other 3 guys would disabuse you of that notion. Its only simple because of the hard work that goes into getting the complex facts right. If its simple then its not been understood.
They are charlatans and so is Paul. They have sold us down the river and they cannot change course now for fear they will be discovered.
A Celtic had the perfect opportunity given to them to reform the governance of our game, it is not too late to take it but I am running out of patience, especially as they said they were looking for the opportunity.
This is a pathetic sham. Full of deliberate mistakes!willingness to mix the old and the new to suit whatever position they want to take. Utterly wanton corruption. Cowardice on the part of Celtic and paul67 and frankly from you auldheid a willingness to endlessly debate simple matters and complicate them.
A. I think that if we ever get the chance to discuss you will find out why folk know its a sham. On Paul I can give you evidence to the contrary and I prefer evidence to back opinion.
I certainly am persistent and if I’ve been too complicated that is because so are the issues.
You have been outplayed and outflanked by organisations steeped in racism.
A. I haven’t but Celtic have, unless you include them in the outflankers of course and disregard evidence to the contrary.
But it’s their baw auldheid. And they have taken it off us.
A. As I said it looks like an opportunity lost but its not me who lost it.
The people who could really exposed this are the Celtic board. But they are too busy calling their own support criminal racists to give a damn and too steeped I their own corruption.
A. I agree it is the responsibility of the Board to act in Celtic’s best interests and perhaps its time they shit or got off the pot and explained how they have done that.
Celtic will die over all of this. Sure not right now. But they will die.
Celtic wont die but what they mean to many will, including me, and that will be their loss. I’ll still have all the new friends I’ve made on this journey.
And the racists will thrive and corruption will thrive.
All the detail is simply bullshit.
And you know it.
A. No. I know the amount of bullshit more and its not limited to Celtic but it is still worth tackling although a , a much bigger shovel is needed to shift it.
At some point I’ll maybe provide a detailed and probably complex analysis of the whole episode and the lessons learned but not sure how many would read it.
Life isn’t complicated, it is what it is.
Braystreet 10.20pm
Of course you are not “wrong” if you are not happy with the perceived product don’t go …
Not sure why you need reassured
Gerry We owe it to future generations to make a stand before Sevco morph back into Rangers and liquidation never happened in this Scottish Kafkaesque unreality. Hh
TERJE VIGEN
I stand by what i said about commentator.
He did praise Celtic but only due to the reality of the game in front of him.
When Utd went ahead he was excited and suggested game was over even though plenty time left.
In the first half when utd managed a decent few minute spell he said game was now as expected.
He was professional to do his job but as i said his praise for Celtic who were far superior was grudging.
Gerry then I take you back to the cheating wife or girlfriend that you are utterly in love with. Do you turn a blind eye to the cheating.
These are the final acts ina treully awful play. Claiming ignorance is not an excuse.
Burghbhoy I guess it depends what you think Celtic is.if it’s just a money makin enterprise then perhaps you are right. But it’s certainly not more than a club and when the heart leaves it. When in bad times there will not be many showing the heart to show up. Sure in Scottish terms it may still be big. But we will be utterly diminished and a plaything of the sfa and the Hun.
G64 10.29pm
Again, I don’t disagree but as Celtic fans we also shouldn’t airbrush the present, that mob old or new are broken and if one single Celtic fan doesn’t realise this more fool them.. but as you say never let them forget
cheats then, cheats now and will try and cheat in the future … it’s in their DNA
Roll on Rosenborg:-)
Negannon2
Celtic is my perfect burd unconditional love …
I do get your posts, but at times I think you are pushed to post to try and prove a point or have a sly dig at P67, cam I ask you one (two) question(s)
Are you enjoying Celtic ?
Are you more interested in how Celtic react to the cheats ?
For me only one of the questions are football related
Auldheid, 9.12
re your final sentence. Hopefully you’ll get a positive response from Celtic, time to raise our voice.
Auldheid I think it’s time we had that beer.
The one thing I wouldn’t accuse the Celtic board of is stupidity. They are up to their necks in this stuff and Paul just plays a fiddle for them.
There is no evidence that Celtic haven’t been outflanking it’s own support. Carefully constructed and released email trails do not constitute evidence.
I think you and the others have been an admiral Thorne in the side of a corrupt organisation and country. But the thing that really kills you is when those who you believe you are fighting for,are shoving the Thorne in you/our side.
Celtic have behaved appallingly throughout all of this.paul had made excuses throughout.
When your own defray you you have to asl exactly who you are fighting for……
One last question for you.
How long are you willing to give the Celtic board to actually do so,etching meaningful before we attack them?
16 Roads recommended Foley’s Sports bar in NY and I saw this sign in there.
Somehow seems relevant tonight.
“I’m somewhat of a bullshitter myself, but occasionally I like to listen to an expert, please continue…..”
Gerry I think you have hit the nail on the head.
Firstly I take no sly digs at Paul I am very upfront in my views (and based on his actions an inactions). Nothing sly about my accusations.
And then it really comes down to what you think Celtic is.
Is it just football? If it is I guess you should be happy. I have enjoyed the last two years on the pitch. Never been to a game though.
Why? Because it’s not just about football. Whether you like it or not this has always been about Scotland’s racism and it’s manufestation in whatever rangers that re in front of us. Scottish institutions bend any rule imaginable to protect this organ of so called superiority.
If you think it’s just about football then that’s what the board love. Unthinking blind, unquestioning wallets who give them money while they turn the blind eye to cheating and corruption.
So if it’s football then actually it’s not even sport. It’s what we said years ago. A form of wwf but one bourne out of the need to acclaim racial superiority.
But look Gerry I am not going to convince you. But you at least been told. And when they have put you back in what they think is your rightful place at least the one thing you can’t say is that your weren’t warned…..
And your children can look forward to the same.
With apologies for my iPad deciding what words I want to say…..
Celtic is the beaten wife that needs the money. The huns are the abusive husband and the rest of Scottish Football are the bigoted in-laws. There. is that analogy simple enough for yeez?
Gerry There is a width of a fag paper between myself and Neg2 and Kev J. The reality is there is no jungle and imo sadly from experience the vast majority of our supporters embrace the Sevco games. Whilst we remain successful the chances of us emptying CP like 94 are zero. Therein lies our dilemma. Hh
I was chatting to an old work colleague today, updating him on Res12 etc and pulling his leg in that he is what we “reformers” are up against but paradoxically whom we depend on.
This might get complicated but I’ll do my best.
He and another two ex colleagues are long, long term ST holders, the game itself to them (and many) is not so much the football itself, it is a social occasion.
He is well briefed on the skullduggery and abhors it and wishes something could be done about it, but he and his friends will still go to the games and here is the rub, if they stopped, would those of us who support Celtic in different ways from afar, whether by distance, age or health, have a team to watch in an atmosphere that adds to the occasion?
Of course not. That is a major complication. As I seriously said to him “you are not helping the reform cause, but I forgive you.”
Life is like that.
Friends have mastered the art of forgiveness, a skill that increases with practice. btw.
So for example when KevJ comes on with his “empty the stands cry” (and Im not picking on KevJ he is the obvious one to use to make the point) he is not appreciating what he is asking others to give up.
That is the reality reformers face and it is folly to think it is not a major barrier to reform.
So what do you do? Give up or try to find ways (like Res12) to try and create reform by other means?
One other interesting point that did come up was just how alien to each other the mindsets of supporters of Celtic and Rangers are.
My friend put it simply. “They cheat by nature (like a scorpion stings I added to complicate things) and we don’t, we think cheating is abhorrent.”
Let that sink in for a moment, think of the challenges that presents when seeking reform.
I might be an old Don Quixote but the windmills I’ve been tilting at are not dragons, they are windmills of the mind and the weapons of choice are words and reason. and Im not quite done yet. Im waiting for Sanjo Panza to get back from Tuscany. :)
Gerryfaethebrig
Celtic is my perfect burd unconditional love …
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I thought that was what was supposed to differentiate us from the huns – there are lots of things that the club could do that would stop us supporting Celtic.
Like decades of sectarian discrimination; rabid bigotry; repeated violence and cheating.
You could make up your own list . . . hopefully.