Last night my brother reminded me of a comment he made after the 0-0 against Benfica on match day one of the Champions League, “I hope we’re not sitting with one point after five games”. Expectations can be as high as you like, but reality based on experience at that stage suggested Celtic would struggle to have more than a single point at this stage of the tournament.
A solitary point away from home in our Champions League history would lead the harsh realists to expect our trips to Lisbon, Barcelona and Moscow would be fruitless, leaving the enormous matter of tackling Barcelona at Celtic Park.
Two of those away games resulted in defeat, and we were behind in Moscow before one of the most significant fight-backs in modern Celtic history. It’s difficult to find perspective for the win over Barcelona. Suffice to say, they won 0-2 in Lisbon and 0-3 in Moscow. Celtic’s 2-1 remains the most astonishing result of this season’s Champions League.
Manchester City’s failure to qualify for the knock out stage, with their seemingly limitless budget, tells the story of how difficult this tournament is. England’s other mega-wealthy club, reigning European champions Chelsea, sacked their manager this week as the expectation they are likely to be eliminated at this stage dawned.
Beating Spartak and qualifying for the knockout stage will be suitable reward for a remarkable team.
The very first CQN Annual is NOW in stock and shipping order yours here! P.S. it’s great.
In case you missed the story, check out the Celtic Trust’s ‘Stand up for the Green Brigade‘ call on the 12th minute on Saturday. Full details on the Trust’s site.
P.P.S. Stand up for the Green Brigade.
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theweegreenman
circa 94 mill n about another 50 to 70 mill for other stuff but they are the salt of the earth don’t you know I think you are obsessed lets move along now nothing to see here.
whitedoghunch
22:35 on
22 November, 2012
Sorry missed your post. You’re a gent thanks for the URL
Night all Night Wee Oscar & Izzie god bless x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TD_pSeNelU&feature=list_other&playnext=1&list=AL94UKMTqg-9CUdhQSkhTaPqtA_oLIvdq6
Clattenburgh cleared – will referee on Saturday.
Stringer Bell
22:30 on 22 November, 2012
‘Ernie – does that come from Dr Poon’s part of the document, or the majority? Thanks.’
The first quote is from Para 102 of the main document which is Mure and Rae.
The second quote is from Para 26 of the Appendix by Dr Poon.
Many of the loan beneficiaries will now be asking themselves;
Just how much do I trust the wife?
Except the single ones. They’ll put the dosh in their mammy’s name.
GlassTwoThirdsFull
22:48 on 22 November, 2012
Professor Green
22:35
Spot on. One of the things that annoys me more than anything is how they keep trying to tell us that they were in great shape at the point when Whyte took over (Jabba being particularly resolute on this one).
The debt had came down from 31m to 18m – but this was with two years CL money (ie 25-30m) – so without that money in 2011-12 they would have seen the debt shoot back up again. I’m also pretty certain the 18m didn’t even include the Wee Tax Case (4m).
Jabba keeps saying that Lloyds were happy with the 18m debt – but never explains why if that was the case Whyte felt the need to pay it all off.
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Glad to see you pick up on this. Reducing the debt is an msm myth in that for it to continue Rangers HAD to get into the CL.
Had they decided in 2008 to make provision for the core bill instead of spending on the players that won three titles and CAUSED the debt to climb from £6M to £31M before payback started in 2009 to bring it back down to £18m they a) would still be in business b) not have required a series of refereeing decisions which at the time looked unexplainable but with the passage of time look like the help they need just to stay in business.
The MSM will not go near the 2008 decision as it involved Walter Smith and SDM, but hopefully BDO, in trying to establish how it all went wrong, will focus on this decision as a key one.
Test
Celtic Mac,
so the travelling supporters all over the country are being treated abysmally, whats that got to do with how the Celtic support are being treated at home, the only support being treated at home as if they are a travelling support, sorry it appears you are trying to deliberately muddy the issue.
You think bhoyctting is too much too early, yet ignore the fact this has been going on for over 4 years, long before any offensive behaviour act.
It becomes more and more obvious to me that there is no circumstance you would support bhoycott, regardless of the treamtment meated out to the Celtic supporter.
Now on to your most disingenious point, the Green Brigade are not bhoycotting the club, they are protesting at their mistreatment by the board.
The board have refuse to acknowledge never mind address the mistreatment, very Isreali IMO.
So please dont lie about supporting the Green Brigade you really dont give a funkeys muck about them except they are dancing monkeys there to entertain you, problem being if you seen dancing monkeys treated the same way you would probably be more outraged.
I note your definition, that the board is the club, I do not agree, most of them will be gone soon enough replaced by new personnel with different ideas, while you will unquestioningly accept everything they say as gospel ,condemning dissenters as liars and being unreasonable. I will still be questioning their motives and actions. Now whose attitude will be better for the club, unquestioning forelock tugging or continued demands for transparency and justice, think about that, remember how the deadco support ended up.
I suppose that is the difference between us, I consider the support a far more important component of the club than the board, in fact I consider the board the least important component of the club, you obviously disagree.
As far as I’m concerned the board do not represent the club, regardless of their rhetoric. They represent shareholders, they are more involved with ensuring a good dividend than the welfare of the club.
A healthy club provides a good return is as far as they go, I measure this against the fact that even when the club is making a loss the dividend still gets paid, taking money out of our club when we need it most, thats your boards priorities at work.
So stop with the platituded do as I suggested sit in protest against the support for the Green Brigade
I would consider this to be one of the least reactionary Celtic sites in the interweb but even here the support for the Green Brigade is massive, you are in a tuny minority, in fact such a minority you could be on the board.
So far of 902 votes
95% yes
5% no
Do you support the Green Brigade action against harassment
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=50a90f10e4b061e6546ad870
djbee
23:02 on
22 November, 2012
:-)
He who laughs last laughs longest.
Do you know what they are liable for though? £10m? £20m?
This decisions was such a joke.
theweegreenman
I presume that post was in jest.
Weefra HH
Morning bhoys from a calm and pleasent hun free mountain.
Not read back too much, more of a scan, I will read back properly later.
Some amazing posts, some very diverse opinions re the FTT findings and the future SFA enquiry.
You all seem to be missing the most important point….it’s scotland we are in.
If any poster can give me an example, of any punishment being dished out to the huns, I would be grateful.
Not looking for consequences, but punishments for what they have done to scottish football.
I’m sure someone will tell me about the transfer embargo, and the fine they got.
The fine will never be paid, and the embargo was a condition of obtaining a licence.
Think about it, they have virtually killed the game, thay have killed the game as a sport through their cheating.
It’s a sham, as is the tax case thing.
I have been banging on for years that the goat sha**ers will prevail, so far, I have been proven correct, and from my cave, I can’t see them getting their just deserts.
Sad. sad sad so it is.
setting free the bears
22:42 on 22 November, 2012
Great comment as always.
Neil Lennon
A Legend made by Rangers hatred? I don’t think so but perhaps so!!!! ;))
It may mean that he stays here a lot longer. LOL the Blue Odour and all that lot are doing a Grand job. ;)
I am not concerned about the FTT thing. The Titles have to be stripped and no amount of Clyde Propaganda ( I had to listen to 20 minutes of Radio Rangers just after 7 tonight) is going to change that.
Thanks Ernie
….PFayr
22:53 on 22 November, 2012
SFTB
Nimmo Smith is a clever man …his remit is different from the FTT
However, I understand your concern
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In 1993, Nimmo Smith was appointed along with James Friel, a Procurator Fiscal to conduct an inquiry into allegations of corruption amongst a so-called Magic Circle in the Scottish justice system, comprising homosexual members of the judiciary/legal profession.
Once the report was finished, but before it was published a con-man and petty criminal called Derek Donaldson posing as reporter ”Allan MacDonald” of the Daily Telegraph, went to Nimmo Smith’s house and conned him into revealing the gist of the report.
Donaldson secretly recorded the meeting, and then sold his story to the Sun newspaper, which published the story under the banner headline ”FETTES THIEF CONS GAY JUDGES PROBE QC”. The following day, the Sun published a second story on Donaldson’s hoax, entitled ”NIMMO THE DIMMO.”
The Herald reported “That evening, an intensely distressed Mr Nimmo-Smith sought psychiatric treatement at the Royal Edinburgh Hospital.”
To be fair to Nimmo-Smith– a member of the exclusive all-male Speculative Society of Edinburgh—Donaldson did have cards printed to show him as a reporter with the Daily Telegraph.
Does anyone know the last time oldco or this new mob actually paid money in tax?
I may have been wearing dampers at the time
weefrathetim
Course it was. :-)
What are the current links between Radio Clyde and STV?
Same as it ever was…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU
oldtim67 , glad you and johann behaved yersels . i think youre irish pal posted earlier on .
tomtheleedstim , what do you need for Moscow game ? drop me a line to sannabhoy@thekanofoundation.com .
Everyone else , parent and child available for saturday. Can’t make it so need someone to stand up for me and mini @ the 12th minute .
Sanna
auldheid
23:08 on 22 November, 2012
GlassTwoThirdsFull
22:48 on 22 November, 2012
Professor Green
22:35
Spot on. One of the things that annoys me more than anything is how they keep trying to tell us that they were in great shape at the point when Whyte took over (Jabba being particularly resolute on this one).
The debt had came down from 31m to 18m – but this was with two years CL money (ie 25-30m) – so without that money in 2011-12 they would have seen the debt shoot back up again. I’m also pretty certain the 18m didn’t even include the Wee Tax Case (4m).
Jabba keeps saying that Lloyds were happy with the 18m debt – but never explains why if that was the case Whyte felt the need to pay it all off.
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Glad to see you pick up on this. Reducing the debt is an msm myth in that for it to continue Rangers HAD to get into the CL.
Had they decided in 2008 to make provision for the core bill instead of spending on the players that won three titles and CAUSED the debt to climb from £6M to £31M before payback started in 2009 to bring it back down to £18m they a) would still be in business b) not have required a series of refereeing decisions which at the time looked unexplainable but with the passage of time look like the help they need just to stay in business.
The MSM will not go near the 2008 decision as it involved Walter Smith and SDM, but hopefully BDO, in trying to establish how it all went wrong, will focus on this decision as a key one.
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Auldheid – Paul Murray has claimed the Rangers board deserve credit for managing the debt to £18m from £700 gazillion.
What should never be forgotten is that Donal Muir was on the board and provided the discipline to refuse to allow spending, DESPITE Smith bleating on about the bank running the club, fan protests etc.
If the board could have spent more, they would have.
theweegreenman
Dats ma bhoy :))) nite nite
Weefra HH
I have to say that I am puzzled as to why we the Celtic supporters ,the greatest supporters of the greatest club on earth ,are at war with each other over an issue involving THE GREEN BRIGADE. Now in my opinion THE GREEN BRIGADE rescued the atmosphere at Celtic Park from funereal doom. I am strongly in favour of them but I do not agree with everything they sing or do ;e.g. I do not think that the singing of I.R.A. songs is helpful to our cause. After all we have great football songs whiich have caught the attention of U.E.F.A. and fans across the world . However, I do not think that THE GREEN BRIGADE should be used by some as a rod with which to batter the Board and divide the club. After all, at last week’s A.G.M. , Peter Lawwell asked that any supporter who feels that they are being unreasonably harrassed by police at Celtic Park, should take the P.C’s number and report it to him and he will deal with it..
A HOUSE DIVIDED ON ITSELF WILL CRUMBLE!.
sannabhoy,
That wasn’t the Irish guy, that was me. I know who the Irish guy was as I was drinking with him and his mate the night before. It was a pleasure meeting up with Oldtim 67 and Johan Murdoch, even though it was brief, as we still had to collect tickets from the Stadium.
There you go, Oldtim, that’s twice I’ve posted today. Back to lurking!!
“Paul Murray has claimed the Rangers board deserve credit” – any sane man would just stop reading at that point.
Auldheid
23.08
Yep – that was some spend in the summer of 2008 – Miller, Lafferty, Davis, Mendes, Bougherra, Edu – must have been 17-18m or thereabouts.
“required a series of refereeing decisions which at the time looked unexplainable but with the passage of time look like the help they need just to stay in business.”
Not just the refereeing decisions – what about the decision to give them a third home game against Hearts instead of a second away one (where they had lost earlier in the season)?
Read elsewhere that the total amount owed will be published on the 2nd December. Any more than £15 million and all the “We,ve won ” triumphalism will soon disappear.
It seems to have went quite, anyone got there prospectus from Charlie yet??
Not much time to get money in before Christmas, has to be done before it is found that TicketUs are not a creditor to RFC on the 3rd December.
Big Nan
23:15 on 22 November, 2012
Disinformation Governmental agencies have a very BIG budget now and it has the sharpest minds at their disposal and they are deployed on the most influential sites. ;)
I think most people are aware that it is wise to make yerself known to a fellow Celt at some point. ;))
sannabhoy.
Any idea what page the post was on.
Shieldmuir Celtic
23:23 on 22 November, 2012
I have to say that I am puzzled as to why we the Celtic supporters ,the greatest supporters of the greatest club on earth ,are at war with each other over an issue involving THE GREEN BRIGADE. Now in my opinion THE GREEN BRIGADE rescued the atmosphere at Celtic Park from funereal doom. I am strongly in favour of them but I do not agree with everything they sing or do ;e.g. I do not think that the singing of I.R.A. songs is helpful to our cause. After all we have great football songs whiich have caught the attention of U.E.F.A. and fans across the world . However, I do not think that THE GREEN BRIGADE should be used by some as a rod with which to batter the Board and divide the club. After all, at last week’s A.G.M. , Peter Lawwell asked that any supporter who feels that they are being unreasonably harrassed by police at Celtic Park, should take the P.C’s number and report it to him and he will deal with it..
A HOUSE DIVIDED ON ITSELF WILL CRUMBLE!.
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“are at war with each other over an issue involving THE GREEN BRIGADE”
Wow, first time I have heard anything about that?
Could you explain, bear in mind I have missed most of the blog Mon/Tue/Wed?
Ntass Oolla
23:24 on 22 November, 2012
“Paul Murray has claimed the Rangers board deserve credit” – any sane man would just stop reading at that point.
I think I would have stopped at “Paul Murray”!
Very good Glass⅔
glasstwothirdsfull
I thought they couldnae get credit??? LOL
Weefra HH
oldtim67 , hoopathome ,
apologies . got my wires crossed. should have realised that oldtim67 meets so many people on away trips that he’d need his own blog (now there’s an idea).
oldtim67 , it was hoopy that referenced you.
On the FTT/dual contracts issue and the inconsistenies between both positions , is there any mileage in helping HMRC with their enquiries – i speak as someone who has had discourse in the past re their (and my) workings and have nothing but admiration for the work they do !
Sanna (tongueincheek csc)
When Minty appears from his bunker,i can’t wait for the MSM to ask him why he tried to cut a deal with HMRC to the tune of £10 mil……….mmmmmm might be waiting a while .
Tiger tim
Haven’t you heard? Charlie and his team of lawyers are pouring over the FTT verdict and are going to unleash a tsunami on the enemies of the club.
Well thats the view from the sevco fans. In reality he is saying nothing as its a new club and nothing to do with the him.
I believe the monies due on the sevco share issue are by the 17thDecember
stringer bell
23:19 on 22 November, 2012
AULDHEID is ALWAYS spot on ……….night all….!!!!!!
Seems to be a lot of Sevco/ex-Sevco staff calling for the SPL investigation to be scrapped. Surely if you haven’t done anything wrong you would want to allow the investigation to run its course and prove you are clean?
I see RangersTV (STV) are currently showing their faves.
Ach well, at least we don’t have to pay for this!
OrDoWeCSC?