Scott Brown’s injury-enforced absence from the team in recent weeks has at least taken heat of his contract situation but that will change in January, when he is back in the team and available to sign a pre-contract agreement. Neil Lennon reports that Celtic have met Scott’s terms but have declined to meet his agent’s demand.
Agent’s often have exclusive representation agreements with players which guarantee the agent a cut of any contract signed when the agreement is active. 5% of a four or five year contract for a top-earning Celtic player could easily reach £300k, or £360k including vat. This is a lot of money for the player to pay out of his after-tax income so what commonly happens is the agent uses his exclusive deal with the player to negotiate a pay-off from the club instead of acting for the player. Unlike the player, a club can reclaim vat and pays before, not after tax, so the same money going to the agent costs the combined player/club less.
It’s often the case, however, that the agent’s fee paid by the club has little resemblance to the percentage the agent would get representing the player. While a player has an exclusive deal with an agent, a buying club has three deals to agree: the selling club’s fee, the player’s wages and the agent’s fee.
Big agent fees don’t necessarily mean bad business for the buyer, as the agent may well have made a deal achievable at a purchase price which would not have been otherwise possible, but clubs are typically more reticent when it comes to paying agents to renew contracts for their existing players. One (then) SPL chairman told me he had a flat £500 tariff for such deals.
Artur Boruc concluded his last contract with Celtic without an agent. At the time he explained that he would need an agent if he was moving club but didn’t need one to negotiate a predetermined level on the Celtic pay structure. This would have saved Celtic money and might have earned Artur an extra bonus.
Scott Brown is not in this situation. If he is offered a contract of around £6m over five years, after 50% tax and 12% (?) national insurance (which Celtic and staff pay…), his take home pay from the contract will be considerably less. 5% of the contract could end up looking like 14% of take home pay after vat is added.
Celtic will also be alert to the dangers of precedent. If a player’s ‘advisor’ can get a significant pay-day out of a contract renewal there is no incentive for the player to conclude a deal with Celtic without an advisor, indeed, there is incentive to get one involved.
I’ve no information whatsoever on what is going on with Scott’s contract but the portents don’t look promising.
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thomthethim says:
29 November, 2011 at 15:33
you write
I hope that the club are working on this and we cease to be “those troublesome Tims”.
By becoming part of the establishment and accepting our place in the scheme of things as long as the PLC can make money.
Not for me no thanks …. the only good thing though is that they are about to seriously expose themselves big time.
I wonder how many tims will be in the queue to take a running boot at that exposure ?
Hail Hail
Canamalar
or Hearts staff have been told they will not be handling them.
Hail Hail
Awe_Naw….,
as you say it will be interesting to see what happens with the hun.
hail hail
Swiss Tony says:
29 November, 2011 at 14:39
Canamalar, Googybhoy,
No problem. My local is about 15 mins out of town.
Enjoy O’Sheas.
Canamalar
the portents are there and it does not look good. The portents being ignore the punters maximise income.
Hail Hail
Given his track record, similar to the Shaun Maloney saga, Celtic could give Broonie an improved contract and end up paying him wages whilst he is sidelined with recurring injuries.
Time to cut the losses and if he and his agent want it, let him walk.
the media papers <radio stations etc <in my view incite sectarian with football supporters in scotland they just mix it all the time supporters get warned before old firm games to be have themselves what about members of the press should they to behave as well <no i think its time that the goverment take a good look at them freedom of speech is fine as long as its fair and not one sided
Awe_Naw…,
from reading on here it appears you might be the goto mhan on tinterweb stuff.
Recently I have been getting very strange interruptions, when reading/commenting here, the comp freezes, the cursor freezes and I continue to get whiteout problems, at firts I thought it was just the usual blog crashing, but after rebooting and returning to the blog I find I’m the only one suffering, any advice ??
Canamalar,
Your a Firefox man ?
Hail Hail
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@ Twitter..
Hibs are selling tickets for Edinburgh Derby straight to Hearts Fans as they Fear Hearts cant pay for their Allocation..
Celtic should do the Same..Ditto the 28th..
Summa
Awe_Naw…
security essentials
Canamalar—it’s Bontybhoy and Declan. You have been warned.
Will be taking over from Swiss Tony On Wed night will be watching game in Charly O’Neils in Servette just outside Geneva toon.
Swiss Frediebhoy CFC
Are they getting any money from ESPN for this meaningless game being shown tonight?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
29 November, 2011 at 15:39
We were never part of the Establishment.
That is the problem.
We joined the SFA back in the days, but were always second class citizens.
We did not prosper through that Establishment, rather in spite of them.
All through our history, the Establishment have been our enemy, therefore it is beyond irony that it is their Flagship that is on the rocks.
To continue with the nautical metaphor, it is vital that we stay afloat and, when the game reaches calmer waters, we can sail with a fair wind us!
Feeling a bit seasick now!
Scott Brown’s contract is but a minor issue at the moment.
The future of the club is the big game and until we know what is happening to the huns, everything else, for me, is on hold.
timbhoy2
It looks as if you’ve run out of full stops.
I could lend you some to tide you over.
pigalle
Raymac..,
cant see it being Declan he’s a star, I’ve no laughed as hard for a long time.
Commas too, maybe ?
pigalle
ThomThetim
keeping with the nautical theme I think you must have missed the mutiny early on this year.
It is important that the tarnished product that is Scottish football is not sullied any more by the huns arithmetic inability and our desperate and pitiful acquiescence.
The quieter we are on these subjects the more and more we look like the hun.
You know the saying if it walks talks etc.
Hail Hail
Canamalar
what browser are you using ?
Hail Hail
Paying brown another 6m… There’s a thought. Here’s what I would do instead.
Spend 3m on a better player (defence or attack as we have plenty of midfielders already)
Use 3m on wages (20k per week over 3 years) in my opinion an attractive wage.
And there’s a fair chance we will improve the team.
Wether you rate brown as a player or not, he tends to be injured/suspended half the season and in my opinion is not good enough or ever will be good enough to earn 20k+ (?) in the spl.
Thoughts?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
29 November, 2011 at 15:58
Apart from homing in on the last line of my post, what did you think of the hypothesis advanced in the book review I posted on.
Internet Explorer 8 or 9 cant remember
pabloh_AKA_NEIL LENNON
I dont think it matters what we think. It is Scotts decision to make and it looks like he has made it. If he signs on at the last minute then he must immediately be re leaved of the captaincy. His priorities should be for himself and then his club not his agent.
Hail HAil
pigalle- …but he has “o** f***” in his vocabulary. Just rolls off the tongue.
IE be gone…Google Chrome’s the go
pabloh_AKA_NEIL LENNON says:
29 November, 2011 at 15:59
Have to admit I like Skoosh,
but the outlay of circa £6m for the return of…..Mmmm maybe not.
Return thoughts:
So now we have a spare £3M who we buying?
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Kayal: We have the hunger to progress in Europe
By: Laura Brannan
CELTIC welcome group leaders Atletico Madrid to Paradise on Wednesday evening for their penultimate match in the UEFA Europa League group stages and go into the game full of confidence.
And even though the Hoops may have put Saturday’s resounding 5-0 win over St Mirren behind them, as they turn their attentions to the European stage, Beram Kayal believes the victory has left a confidence in the dressing room.
“It is an important game for the club, the players in the squad and also the fans,” the midfielder said. “Every game is important for the club but we have a chance to win this game to continue in Europe so we will try to get the maximum points tomorrow.
“Atletico Madrid will be coming here wanting to do well so they can also continue into the next round so we must do a job for ourselves.
“They are a big club, they have players who are big around the world and we have a lot of respect for them, but we want to win the game. It´s at Celtic Park and we have a lot of confidence just now.
“We need hungry players and players who want to play for the team. We have a lot of players who are capable of that and tomorrow is a good chance for us to prove that.”
Celtic have continually improved with every game in the competition, most notably securing a share of the points in France and then beating Rennes in the return tie 3-1.
Kayal has noticed the gradual progress and despite a good performance in the away fixture in September, he knows that more will be required for Celtic to win, given that it was Atletico who won 2-0 in Madrid.
“I think the first game was different because it was a lot of the players’ first game in Europe,” Kayal said. “It´s different football from when we play in the Scottish League – it is quicker and more tactical.
“Now we have confidence to play in Europe, though, because we have more experience. We showed that in the last two games home and away to Rennes and we need to get a good result tomorrow so we can continue playing in this competition.”
With five consecutive victories, spirits are high in Celtic´s dressing room and Kayal wants to put in a good performance for the fans who have continually stuck by the side.
“Everyone tries to do their best in every game but sometimes in football it is not possible,” he continued. “Everyone knows we didn´t start the season well and we lost too many games. That wasn’t good enough but we’ve started to come back now and I hope we will be much better in our next game.
“The fans are everything to us and we want to give everything back to them. I have never seen fans like them before. They are fantastic, home and away, they give their all for the team and for the players.”
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Summa
Thomthetim
I think that the PLC has deliberately and unashamedly and systematically engineered itself into being accepted into the Scottish establishment as part of the Old Firm. I also think that over this summer that will be confirmed leaving Celtic and Rangers on a level footing going into the new season.
Hail Hail
pabloh_…,
I’d prefer to pay £4M for the Portugese geezer and give him £2M over 3 years and I expect that would satisfy the vast majority.
Canamalar
something is eating your memory. You need to find out what. I suspect some java related issue.
Hail Hail
bamboo says:
29 November, 2011 at 15:25
No joke mate. The huns game is live on ESPN tonight.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
29 November, 2011 at 16:01
hope your listening to bunburybhoy
Hail Hail
Ex-Rangers star reveals Marseille’s bribe offer
Wednesday, 23 February 2011
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Mark Hateley, the former Rangers and England striker, has revealed he was offered cash to influence the outcome of a decisive Champions League match between the Scottish champions and Marseille during the French side’s successful 1993 campaign.
Marseille qualified for the first Champions League final at Rangers’ expense and went on to lift the trophy after beating Milan, but it has long been regarded as a tainted triumph.
The club was later stripped of the French title they won that season for match-fixing, but their European victory in Rome still stands.
Uefa has never sought to remove the honour despite allegations over the intervening years that Bernard Tapie, the club’s owner, had attempted to fix matches through bribing referees or players.
Hateley’s revelations will reopen the debate over whether the only success by a French team in Europe’s top club competition should be struck from the record books.
Hateley says that he received a telephone call from a “friend of a friend” from his playing days in France.
This unnamed agent offered him “large sums of money” not to play against Marseille in a crucial group game.
Hateley refused but was to miss the game anyway as in the preceding match against Club Brugge he was sent off and suspended for the Marseille tie.
The red card was greeted with general astonishment in Glasgow at the time and Hateley remains concerned as to whether the referee had also been a target for Tapie and Marseille.
“As soon as that [the red card] came out,” said Hateley, “the phone call came straight to the front of my mind again.” The Independent’s match report from 1993 described his dismissal as “harsh”.
In an interview to be broadcast by ITV ahead of Manchester United’s Champions League game in Marseille tonight, Hateley reveals for the first time how Tapie’s web of corruption, for which the Marseille president was eventually to serve six months in a Paris prison, touched British football.
That first Champions League had no semi-finals, instead the winner from two groups of four went straight into the final. Rangers had beaten Leeds United, the English champions, to reach the group stage.
They drew 2-2 with Marseille in the first game, the Scots coming from two down with Hateley scoring a late equaliser. Later that week the Rangers players were in a hotel preparing for a league game against Partick Thistle when Hateley received a telephone call.
“It was a friend of a friend, who had got in touch via certain routes, basically asking me not to play,” said Hateley.
“It would be financially rewarding for you, he said, should I not play in the Marseille game.
“He was not an agent I knew, but another agent had given him the number. “It was a French speaking person, he was offering me large sums of money not to play against Marseille. It points the finger at a person, or persons, working within that club not wanting me to play.”
Hateley was Rangers’ main attacking threat, forming a prolific partnership with Ally McCoist, who was yesterday named as the new manager of the Gers.
Hateley had enjoyed particular success against Basil Boli, Marseille centre-half, once scoring four times in an Under-21 international against a France defence centred around Boli. The game in Marseille, minus Hateley, finished in a 1-1 draw.
The French side went on to beat Brugge in the last group game — a fixture that later played a part in the prosecution’s case against Tapie — while Rangers failed to beat CSKA Moscow to leave Marseille as group winners.
That summer the CSKA coach was to claim he was offered money to ensure his side lost their group games against Marseille. He later withdrew the allegations.
“[At the time] I didn’t know if it was a hoax or it was real,” said Hateley, who described his initial reaction as one of fury.
“His room-mate, who he did not name, asked him what was wrong but he did not tell him, and has not told anyone until now.
“I know it was real now because of the proceedings that followed. I felt 100 per cent cheated, it was a once in a lifetime chance [for Rangers]——- [Marseille] should be stripped [of the Champions League]. Why haven’t the powers-that-be taken action?”——– Tapie, once a minister in Francois Mitterand’s government, was jailed for his part in paying £30,000 to bribe three Valenciennes players. The controversial and colourful Tapie was president of the club from 1987 to 1993.
At the trial, Jean-Pierre Bernes, Tapie’s right-hand man at the club, admitted: “we used to buy around five or six games a season” at a cost of up to £750,000. Bernes, who received a suspended sentence for his part in L’Affaire OM, is back in the game today as agent to Didier Deschamps, the Marseille manager, and Samir Nasri, the Arsenal midfielder.
Arsene Wenger was manager of Monaco from 1987 to 1994 and has often said he felt his side had been cheated of two titles.
Hateley played for Monaco under Wenger from 1987 to 1990.
Mark Hateley’s full interview will be shown on ITV4 tonight from 7pm.
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The Irony is that while the huns were they cheated of a champions league final match they were using the EBT to cheat themselves!
Wonder what players benefited from rankers use of EBTs at this time???
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ttt
Knowing what I do about DD wanting out of scotland, I tend to agree that the big picture is all about the survival of the club.
From what I see in front of me they will have a fight on their hands, the establishment will do their utmost to drag us down with them.
Tis a waiting game, and the time will tell.
If the huns dont publish their annual report tomorrow what will be the SFA and SPL stance on this ?
Will the huns be banned from playing ?
Hail Hail
Che, true.
I’m assuming Celtic are happy to spend 6m on one player (only as paul67 said 6m, no other reason)
Who knows, maybe we wouldn’t be able to get a better player in but when you consider the money we spent on wanyama/kayal/izzy/stokes then I’d be confident we would be able to make better use of so much money than on a long contract extension for brown.