My attention was drawn to the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) blog yesterday, also covered by Joe O’Rourke on the Association site. SCVO Director of Pubic Affairs, John Downie, writes about the “proposed bill on sectarianism” but seems to get muddled in his role as a director of SCVO and using SCVO resources to speak as a Rangers fan; in this instance blaming Catholic schools for sectarianism. How ironic.
Downie writes:
“We’ve previously seen Rangers fans outraged by Celtic goalie Artur Boric crossing himself during games but less bothered – obviously – by about our own players (like Vladimir Weiss last season) doing the same thing.”
“Our own players”! Is SCVO some closed shop where they talk about Artur Boruc as a “Celtic goalie” and Vladimi Weiss as one of our “own”?
So far, so disturbing, but Downie then uses the article to ride to the rescue with:
“The solution:
Personally, as someone who grew up in the East End of Glasgow and lives in the west of Scotland, I agree with some of what Conservative MSP John Lamont says. In my opinion one key causes of sectarianism is Scotland continuing to have separate denominational and non-denominational schools.”
So, if only we didn’t have Catholic schools, players like Artur Boruc and “our” Vladimir Weiss would be able to cross themselves free of harassment. Bizarrely, Downie’s article is subtitled “treating the symptoms not the causes”. I don’t think he was trying to suggest it’s best to treat the symptoms.
The cause of intolerance is not differences in ethnic, religious or sexuality, it is ignorant bigots. It is ludicrous to suggest tackling intolerance by assimilating people into some mono-culture. It’s downright dangerous to blame a minority for intolerance of, and by, them, a sentiment that will only fan the flames of hatred.
The European Examiner reports that various politicians have called for Mr Downie’s removal but SCVO chief exec, Martin Sime, apparently sees nothing wrong in SCVO running a blog discussing one of “our” Rangers players and the “Celtic goalie”, while simultaneously blaming educationally successful faith schools for sectarianism. SCVO has offered a metaphorical No Surrender to resignation calls.
A brief comment for those who don’t live in Scotland…. Attitudes like this once prevailed but are harder to find these days. We are a modern, progressive, society, for the most part.
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BRTH
awesome !
SFTB
thankyou, kind sir !
The Token Tim
haha
needed more than that, mind you
just avoided the relegation zone again this week
:)
music quiz tomorrow
nae use tae me
only know a bit about Stuart Adamson and Bono Vox and that’s yer wack !
they never come up !
did however enjoy the match the other night, even if the 2 guys standing on my toes for the 1st half were steamboats
what a place ! bevviedonia !
Brogan 22:50
Excellent work.
TET
Is that an accumulator?
Sherriff fatman
Thanks
roddybhoy
TET,cheers for your advice,will have a look at a couple tomorrow and let
you know what i go for.
One excellent bet being offered by the magic sign is evens on Celtic to
score more goals than rankers tomorrow,canny see them scoring more than 2
and i think we could run a riot
Goodnight all.
3 points the morra
CRC can we do the quiz again, some dude deleted all my quiz answers… Was it you? Oh and it seems all my answers were the correct yins.
Who’s out in Glasgow after the game and before the quiz tomorrow? Just asking as I may be around the Gallowgate after the fitba.
V
BBC4 just now, wonder if
jcge
might come on!
Exiled Tim
Have a bet for you if you are interested
St Bridgets -V- Garrycastle (GAA club championships semi final,next week)
Paddy power are going St.Bridgets (-1 point) to win at even
Friend of mine (hadnt seen him in years) rang the other day to say he is havin 500 on it
Now thats a big bet in most peoples language.This guy is/was involved with Bridgets and he knows the Garrycastle set up and he reckons they are a few points ahead of them and its a great bet.
Double checked with another pal who is involved in the club Gaa scene and his club has played against both and he says that Bridgets should win fairly handy
Up to you
BJ Mac
Cheers but nothing yet. Called Yesterday and will chase next week.
doesn’t anyone else think that he might have a point about the schools… Separation only causes a lack of understanding. Been at work so not read all the comments. But I do think a Scottish school system stripped of religious nature might be a better one, in the same breath abolishing private schools and having a classless system would help too.
hoopy-do says:
10 February, 2012 at 23:25,
Yes I’m watching it.
Árd Macha
bjmac
Are you partaking in the quiz tomorrow mate?
BRTH
He’s backl!
Massive post. In all good senses.
WE are Celtic, we were founded for charitable and good purposes, we play football and seek to entertain wherever we go. We welcome all visitors, all opponents on the park and off, and we play within the rules of football and life. We support with a song and a smile, and in numbers throughout every corner of the world.
On that basis, we are at least among the best, if not the best, at what we do.
That should be our message and our marketing strategy in 2012– it is a message and a claim that belongs to no one else!
Put that alongside
Whatever part of my club depends on Rangers is a part I am willing to lose
and
Scottish football has only been competitive in the last ten seasons because Rangers have cheated.
Michty me -Minty returns!
Does this mean Craigy bhoy stiffed him wi a bent oncer?
A nation waits wi bated breath!
HH
HT
No, I do single bets, but I always do an acca as well, just in case…the combined is about 40/1
I have been turned on to the goals thing, seems good money there as well, but as ever hard work and just your Donald, but more can be made if you can get it right especially if you do a few trebles and more.
I have been experementing with accas the last week or so and have hit the bar a few times, only a matter of time, small money for good returns.
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Militaristic, jingoistic, triumphalist. Couldn’t suit them more.
It tolls for Thee, hunnites.
petec
I agree with what you are saying. An article like that would never be penned here thats for sure but the campaign to get a rangers newco into the spl is mainly driven by the bigoted media here, im not so sure that would carry enough clout. There would be so many legal issues , Im sure eufa wont be too happy either and I honestly think that when this all kicks off rangers will be the least of the SFA s worries as I just think it is gonna open a very big can of worms, least of all the granting of the euro licence to them. I live in hope !!!!!! Jelly and Ice cream ?
Roddybhoy
thommybhoyd,
naw,
as a CQN’r hinted earlier, how can you make a tolerant country by trying to mould everyone into the same kind,we should be a country that allows and respects all kinds, all cultures, all religions and none, if not then we dont ever deserve to be independent, and we just follow the route that certain sections of society want to drag us down.
catching up on the FBS posts on my email
some toppers in there, very funny.
i only look in every few weeks,
but can i just commend one of the team who’s email is based at
cfc1888.orangehome.co.uk
tal
made me laugh anhyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ZKQfp7D6U
Paul67,
In other words, Downie is saying that if black people were white, there would be no racism.
BRTH-that was a great post. The best thing for Scottish football would be for Rangers to disappear, and “managers” like Brown, Butcher, and their ilk to go with them. The referees need replaced by people who love football and will not allow a good player to be kicked out of a match. Repair the whole coaching system from top to bottom. Maybe then Scotland will get another Jinky, Baxter,Law, Dalgleish.
gordybhoy64
Don’t like betting on Celtic, supersticious that way, the hun, have made good money from them the last few years in play, esp when they go a goal down, the cheats with the whistles and the like, but they are getting so bad now not worth it.
Stars
Muchas gracious, will defo have a look see.
Listen, I am always are open to tips,e-mail me
nohunshere@hotmail.com
hamiltontim says:
10 February, 2012 at 23:29
No mate, got a meeting in Shettleston at 8pm, so won’t make it. I’m absolutely hopeless at music, and I mean hopeless.
hh
bjmac
hoopy-do,
I get the need for individual beliefs. It’s obviously hugely important. But there is an argument that says the biggots might learn a thing or two from exposure to different beliefs their whole lives, from an early age.
Roddybhoy says:
10 February, 2012 at 23:22
That quality article needs to become editorial stuff before we can start feeling like we are sitting on any seat on the bus, as we fight for equality.
Thanks for the heads up on the journalist. It is time to support the man in whatever way he needs support.
These cheats are going down.
For Craig and all the Billy boys
Tongue in cheek CSC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeYBqMi_UTs&feature=g-vrec&context=G20f2986RVAAAAAAAAAw
Árd Macha says:
10 February, 2012 at 23:05
Go raibh maith agat.
Does anyone know when the Thai Tims are coming to Celtic Park?
Due to the unprecedented upsurge in ice cream sales, Auld Dairies and Walls have amalgamated to open a new factory in Derry creating 120 jobs plus 11 apprentices to guard it.
bjmac
Ye, I’ve heard you sing :-))
SpongeBhoy
yes, the old ghastly argument that boils down to “it’s their fault for existing”. And its variants, “go back to Africa/the jungle/Ireland etc”, “if they don’t like it here they should go back to their own country” and “why should they get special treatment just because they complain?”.
Multi-cultural, as long as the multis try to be Scottish/British (with the implicit and exclusive single permissible definition of Scottish/British).
There is a huge difference between inclusion and integration.
Vmhan 23.23
I think Lennybhoy may be heading for a beer after the game if you have his contact details…
BRTH
NP, sorry for mentioning here, should have text. You should look out for HT tomorrow night, he’ll need some hand holding ;-)
hh
bjmac
thommybhoyd,
but it just seems to be an issue in this country, and another small part of the british isles across the water, why isnt it an issue in england which have many a catholic school?
as was also said earlier, there is very little mentioned about the endless number of orange walks that take place from march til september every year in this country, an organisation by it’s own rules bar you from attending a catholic mass, let alone being a catholic.
and we have several other cultures in our country that make us what we are, why should we supress it all for the sake of the bigots?
Home is where the hatred is – Gil Scott-Heron
BRTH, ‘with a song and a smile’…… that kind of sums up how I feel about being a fan of this truly special club. A song, a smile, a scarf, a memory, a gathering pre and post match, with love, humour and respect! All taught free of charge at my local Catholic school! Hail hail, sTICks x
TET,
totally understandable,i just cant imagine us not scoring more than them,
but you never know about the mibs,could be a few pens coming there way