Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service. He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.
He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully. Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.
Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?
Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice. Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games? It’s unlikely.
Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.
In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity. Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly. Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.
If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy. If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.
Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset. Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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Jeezithought……
Main Stand I do remember for definite.
Had a ticket sitting with the bassas in a match late 70s in there.
Think George McCluskey scored in a 1-1 draw.
Remember it being so bad and frightened any Hun I knew,would recognise me that I left at half time or just after that.
HT 20.40
I wouldn’t rely on the difficulty to purchase 2 tickets together as a gauge to the size of Saturday’s crowd. Certainly not if buying online as seats shown available are thinly spread according to the stadium online availability-and that was more than a week ago- yet call the ticket office and there are tickets aplenty !!
It must be about time for Keech Jacksie to unearth another billionaire.
Hamiltontim, there are two women from your neck of the woods who go to funerals of strangers and go to the purvey afterwards , I can assure you there are a lot of low life’s
out there .
BT/Jeez
I was in the enclosure several times at Ibrox, I think the two games that you mention were the only times I saw us take points off them when I was in there.
Was in the enclosure for the 5-1 and 4-1 defeats in 88/89 season; they hit us with everything from above.
HT.
Kickinthenakas may have a couple spare..o))
HT
Was in stand for 5 1 game..8 (
Jeez
Falkirk semi was last game at ipox until summa myself and jinkysbhoy took en to game when wgs dropped aidan for sean. We lost.o (
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ryecathcher:
There were huns in the Jungle the night of the 4-2 game. The beer cans were fairly flying in amongst us.I remember it well.
blantyretim is praying for the knox family
21:48 on 14 January, 2014
Jeez
I was in the enclosure at ipox when charlie nic scored the winner new years day…
The orcs showered us with the compliments of the season…Not…
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Snap, same place I was, abiding memory of that day was of poor sod stood a couple in front of me got bottle to the back of his napper, thrown by some moron above in the main stand.
Jerome67
I did think it odd. I was down at the TO today as well but forgot to ask if that was the case.
Marspapa
Wee CaltonTongues from these pages is known to dae that :-)
BT
Rice??? :-)
Hope nobody is thinking of going to Bulgaria on holiday this year. I had a great holiday there years ago. But after watchin the Ch4 prog abt Sunny Beach I wont be back
Shocking and disgusting!!
Some recent posts have convinced me that it is time to take sides in this year’s crucial decision.
O, YES it is.
Blantyretim , I don’t know if you frequent the local church , if you do , do you know
Auld Nancy McLaughlin , or her niece wee Ilene mcglaughlin
MarsPapa
Plenty of professional mourners at craigs corner of a morning checking who is being buried. Knife in fork in the top pocket. .
Dimtim,
I’ll be doing it at your purvey soon if you don’t watch it:-)
Marspapa.
Friendly with eileen and Geraldine.
Worked with both in the social.
CT
Hee hee my little steak pie lover :-)))
YES indeed.
jude2005
Just to let you know, I have offered to take the abandoned old partially blind and deaf border collie in the stirling area that has been on twitter. The old soul has been so neglected it is beyond belief. Hoping to hear back from them soon.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
PFayr supports WeeOscar 21:02
Mad SNP lovers at it again
I am not an SNP lover but I am definitely a YES voter
Been in the enclosure at Ibrox during Reserve games!!! It had no segregation and they outnumbered us 10-1. I was really tight back then and would do anything to save a few bob, but wish I’d spent the few pennies to get into the safety of the safety of the Broomloan.
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ 22:03 on 14 January, 2014
“Hope nobody is thinking of going to Bulgaria on holiday this year.”
Bulgaria will be the ideal spot for a tranquil holiday this year since their entire population has moved over here.
At least that’s what we’ve been led to believe is happening…
ryecatcher
21:10 on
14 January, 2014
‘As with the Christian religion,the worst advertisement for Socialism is it’s adherents’
George Orwell
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Ryecatcher I agree with many of your sentiments, but figure this – without a socialist vanguard, without a restraint on capitalism, inequality explodes. In the seventies, the thought of bankers earning tens of millions, the NHS being systematically run down, a workforce without representation now at the mercy of multinationals – all this would have been laughed at.
All that is left is cartels ruthlessly exploiting the population (energy companies), multinationals paying virtually zero tax (amazon, google, starbucks etc), cleaners paying proportionally way more tax than the CEOs, gangster states (Mexico, Russia), massive military action against civilian populations in Middle east. It leaves me cold.
Socialism wasn’t perfect, but it’s restraint on greed, on Wall Street in particular, was vital.
I feel it all came from 1960s radicalism in the USA- the confrontation between ‘the man’, and ‘hippies’ was incredible. In the seventies, Wall Street decided that it would control and fund every political candidate, every media source, to avoid any untidy debate, and that just about did it. Reagan in 79, along with Thatcher in the UK was the turning point for society. Suddenly Goldman Sachs, rather than your votes and opinions ruled the world.
Last word (and apologies for boring everyone), Warren Buffet, one of the world’s richest men and investor genius, said; ‘There is a class war today. It is being fought by the rich on the poor, and the rich are winning.’ Of course, if any of the 99% mention a class war, they are laughed at as being hopelessly out of touch etc- just as the 1% designed it.
Weefra….
You are an absolute gem.
Anyone who loved animals loves people in my book.
An absolute gem,sir.
79caps
21:07 on
14 January, 2014
I’m not a big fan of Stokes but he has not been missing lots of chances – we simply don’ t create enough chances.
I think our problem is more in midfield where we play one too many defensive midfielders – Brown, Mulgrew, Ledley. The 4-2-3-1 system we played against Trabzonspor is much better IMO.
*absolutely, we’ve had punters on here screaming out for a playmaker as even Henke and Messi would struggle tae score in oor team and when it looks as if we’ve signed one all the Mona Lisa’s are shouting “where’s oor striker”.
There are some on here that probably huvnae smiled since they had hives.
Hamiltontim, the same two woman get workers in and then refuse to pay
or do favours in return + some cash , and they were good looking women
at one time .
No to labour
No to tories/lib demz
No to snp
Yes to Scotland !!
:-)
E=mc2…..
True socialism is demonstrated by deeds.
Not by party political leeches with Solladarrutty or Respect banners in my honest opinion.
Self servers with banners and loud voices.
Richard Branson is a truer socialist than any of these loud noises with no actions.
Marspapa
I have heard of people like that but thankfully I’ve yet to meet one.
Conamara Bhoy
No way were there Huns fans throwing cans in the Jungle on the night of the 4-2 game. ( except some of the policemen obviously) . I think after a game at the start of the 76-77 [Paul Wilson scored two late on to get us a draw BTW] when there was bad trouble the polis put a stop to it.
I don’t doubt they through stuff at the Jungle though it was always worst in the old Hampden North Enclosure when all sorts of stuff- snooker balls on occasion – was hurled at us.
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
Weefra
well done mate.
ryecatcher
No one special kiddo, just love animals. That’s what living in the farming community does for you. Especially border collies. I lost two in the past two years with cancer. One 8 the other 12. Such is life when you own this special breed. :)) As far as the old bhoy goes, if we get him, he will have the best retirement any ole collie could possibly have. And I’ll make sure of that. :)
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
bcw
Cheers my mhan.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
Blantyretim , could you tell Eileen , I was asking for , I used to drop her off every week
my daughter and her attended the same karate class
Richard Branson is a truer socialist than any of these loud noises with no actions.
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Aye – don’t get me wrong, nothing wrong with being an entrepreneur, and there are many who do a lot of good.
Weefra.
I love border collies but I cannae walk myself never mind trying to walk one of them ..hope you get the dog
Jimbo…..
Just spoke to my Orc Bro in Law.
There WERE Huns in the Jungle in the 70s and at the 4-2 game.
He knows …..he was one of them.
marspapa
Will do..