Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service. He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.
He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully. Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.
Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?
Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice. Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games? It’s unlikely.
Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.
In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity. Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly. Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.
If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy. If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.
Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset. Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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WeefratheTim
God bless yur wee Maw, yur Best Pal.
Awerabest and goodnight PJ
Hrvatski Jim
I’ve got two rescue cats. Haven’t had a holiday for 3 years cause no one will watch them. One of them is fine sociable and friendly; the other is a cat.
Still waiting for that reward you describe lol.
Call me gerry
I dont think so europe is region 2
HH
Prestonpans Bhoys.
I thought it was the league game at start of 76/77 season but as I said my memory may be playing tricks on me.
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
Jimbo,
I spoke about the earlier home game that season in a previous post.
I remember being in the main stand with thems ,can’t recall why …probably because I couldn’t get a ticket in with Hoops fans or maybe I got a freebie off a neighbour.Worst mistake I ever made…they were vile beyond belief….I left early in case some Hun recognised me.
I stated earlier I can remember George McCluskey scoring in a 1-1 draw that day.
Just checked wiki …..he did score…but in a 3-1 victory…..Doesn’t the old memory play tricks?
UnderagedrinkinginthegraveyardbeforethematchCSC
HJ
Cannie work out yer moniker, thought ye were German and bought fae Dumbarton???? Hieds wasted wi that one but glad the lab worked out. I have a lab/german pointer rescue dog from the Blantyre SSPCA. 4 months old and really troubled when he arrived due to his previous treatment. 13 this year and has proved to be a super dog. We had to work hard with him to gain our trust, but once that hurdle was overcome, about 9 months, he has become the best pet and guardian any householder could ask for. Check with any CQNr who has visited.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
Most modern DVD players will be multi-region (or can be made multi-region). Blu-Ray players can be made multi region, but usually only for DVD’s not Blu_rays. Hope that helps. At the last resort, the DVD can be “ripped” and the region coding removed before copying back.
I asked last night to lay off Willo Flood. Please do!! Willo put penalty over the bar so we could win a trophy!!
Night Night all. :)
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
Good night all
Weefrathetim- not sure if I picked up an earlier post wrong but are you from Linwood ?
If so – so am I ! If not well that’s s pity! Hh
Morning Timland from a cold and wet hun free mountain valley.
Huns then, huns now, some thing never change.
“On the terracing at the Dalmornock end on Saturday there was congregated a gang, thousands strong, including the dregs and scourings of filthy slumdom, unwashed yahoos, jailbirds, night hawks, won’t-works, ‘burroo barnacles’, and pavement pirates, all, or nearly all, in the scarecrow stage of verminous trampdom. This ragged army of insantitary pests was lavishly provided with orange and blue remnants, and these were flaunted in challenge as the football tide flowed this way or that. Practically with out cessation for ninety minutes or more, the vagabond scum kept up a strident howl of the ‘Boyne Water’ chorus. Nothing so designedly provoking, so maliciously insulting, or so beastially ignorant has ever been witnessed even in the wildest exhibitions of Glasgow Orange bigotry…..Blatantly filthy language of the lowest criminal type assailed the shocked ears of decent onlookers. There was no getting away from it, chanted as it was by thousands of voices in bedlamite yells. The stentorian use of filthy language is a crime against the law of the land. Policemen lined the track and listened to the hooligan uproar, yet nothing was done to stop it. The scandal was renewed with increased violence in London Road after the match. Is it possible the blue mob can do just anything and get away with it? Prompt official steps were taken to suppress and prosecute the green brake-club lads who dared to sing ‘The Dear Little Shamrock’ in Paisley Road. Yet thousands of foul-mouthed and blasphemous Orange ruffians are free to run amok over the East End of Glasgow. How do you account for it?”
How indeed !!!
HH
Weefarthe Tim
Good on you. Your’e a fine man and im sure you will give it a good home.
Jimbo67
25 Aug 73 LC game looks the one. Jungle tried to invade their end and shake a hand or too. We stuck a fence up to stop it me thinks, however could be wrong eu know
Cheers guys. I’ll Google my DVD player model to see if its multi region
Thanks
Johan Murdoch , Tam Melon and his boy young tommy drank in “the clippins inn ”
Not sure if the spellings right , just thought I’d say .
prestonpans bhoys dam justice for the 5
I thought the fence was only put up when they put the “gate” at the Celtic end turnstiles leading to the Jungle, to stop the jungle overcrowding. Prior to this, many (including myself) used to swap ends at HT every match, huns games excepted.
Prestonpans Bhoys
Aug 73 could be a bit early. I’m sure there was a Glasgow Cup match two or three years later i was at where they were still very much beside us.
Anyway beats talking about the SNP. And I’m a YES man!
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
johann
Nope, in ML10. But a run down the ole M74 will do yer car the world of good. :)))
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
First league game against thems 1978/1979 season.
60000 crowd…….200 arrests…..The Polis described it as a ‘routine’ Old Firm clash.
FOCUS would have pooped their nappies back then,ey?………..
Quick Review
This game marked the first Old Firm game between the new young managers Billy McNeill and John Greig who had both been appointed in the summer.
Celtic overcame the odds to defeat Rangers 3-1. The Celts were handicapped by the loss of experienced men Roddy MacDonald and Alfie Conn but replacements Mike Conroy and George McCluskey were excellent.
Celtic took the lead in 2 minutes when Tom McAdam cracked home a tremendous shot after Rangers failed to clear a Glavin free kick. They were 2-0 up after 14 minutes when young McCluskey cut in from the right and fired a low shot past McCloy from a tight angle, the ball skidding past the goalkeeper on the wet surface.
Rangers regrouped after half time when Parlane scored but Celtic increased their lead in 76 minutes when McAdam scored after substitute Joe Craig had shown great determination to escape the clutchesof Tom Forsyth.
Rangers rallied again and were awrded a penalty in 83 minutes but Latchford made a brilliant diving save to deny Alex Miller and it finished 3-1. Champions Rangers remained winless after 4 games in the division with Celtic top with a maximum 8 points.
This marked Joe Craig’s last appearance for Celtic and he signed for Blackburn Rovers a few weeks later for a fee of £50,000.
Jeez/jimbo
Too long ago but yes beats politics!
Shamelessly stolen from KDS.
The Loving Cup…..scary stuff >}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4uTEEOJlM
HH
Night all just noticed the time!
So the sodgers get aff??? Wd like to say unbelievable but its not!!!
TET
Burroo barnacles? Brill!!!
Legend is a word over used…..particularly over in Govan.
Watch this footage of a living legend.
Our greatest ever full back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EetwFCFWTa4
Jude
I never tire of reading that, from the 20s I believe, quality journalism.
HH
Bobby Collins RIP…
Before my time but feel as if I’ve watched everyone of your games just by listening to my auld Da over the years.
Charles Patrick Tully will be waiting for you with a glass or two up there.
God bless your soul the wee Barra.
Ryecatcher
Ref the first old firm game in 78/9 season.
It was the following midweek that we played our first Anglo Scottish Cup tie in England at Burnley and there was slightly more of a police concern at that one.
An indication of how bad our team was that season was that Burnley of the English second tier beat us comfortably over the 2 legs.
Burnley 78 really was a turning point though and the energy and alignment of hardworking team and real support from the terraces powered us to the final day triumph on 21st May 79.
A great season with a mediocre bunch of players and a passionate but small support in numbers.
Billy boy gone
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25737965
Nice reading about the border collies…had problem with mine at puppy stage always liked to circle me then go in for the nip on my leg……as they do with sheep and cows….now grown out of this…..thankfully…….named him Lubo ……..other wee fellow I got is a shit tsu……determined wee fellow…….called him Henrik….sometimes the clappers ask his name and wish they hadn’t done it ie clapped him as they stare in amazement………………..anyhow sleep well guys
ernie lynch
20:39 on 14 January, 2014
neilbhoy
20:31 on 14 January, 2014
I’ll plead to being patronising (that means I talk down to people).
The rest I would dispute.
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Hahahahahahahahaha. Excellent.
call me Gerry
22:52 on 14 January, 2014
Need some techie help ghuys.
Looking at buying a DVD off Amazon…..says DVD : NTSC region 1
I’m sure that means its compatible for US DVD players, but will it work over here on as UK player?
Cheers in advance
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I got my little fella a cartoon DVD for Xmas he wanted – only available via Amazon, US release only and region 1. Plays fine on his TV/DVD combo.
I’d take the gamble – some players will handle it, others won’t.
But remember – customs may seize animal porn before it gets to you…
Great to see Billy Brown getting the bullet, a durty low life Hun Bassa if ever there was one, GIRUY Billy, and any lurking Huns too, give hearts there due they are doing it the right way, not like thems,
I would be surprised if our new signing Johansen is not a direct replacement for Ledley. We already have Brown, Mulgrew, (a rapidly improving) Biton, Henderson and Kayal for the central midfield positions. I think we only need four established players for this position (Brown, Johansen, Mulgrew and Biton) and one promising youngster (Henderson).We will also hopefully have Rogic returning in the summer after some game time out on loan and a World Cup behind him. Ledley, and in particular Kayal, now look surplus to requirements.
It’s interesting that there’s still no word on who our primary striking target is. I see Rudnevs left Hamburg on loan to Hannover so that’s one target gone. Some people will believe the Fletcher rumours but I would be almost certain that he’s too expensive for us. Probably the same for Finnbogason at this stage…..especially when the Heerenveen chairman says he wants 8 million for him (they won’t get that but they probably will get 6-7 million for him).
Aron Johansson from AZ looks the most likely of the players we’ve been linked with. The papers have him valued at 2-3 million but for a guy who has scored 18 goals in 32 games this season I would imagine AZ would want at least 4 million for him. If I was a betting man I’d say he’s our number one target this window.
If we do get a new striker, what do we do with all the ones we already have?? Pukki and Balde deserve a bit more time to prove themselves (and their performances in Turkey would back this up). Stokes whilst a very average player) is still our best striker and until others step up to the mark we have to retain him (hence why he was given a new contract). What do we do with Fridjohnsson and Atajic? Should we look at loaning them out for six months?
And Watt of the prodigal son? I was beginning to think that Watt was another flash in the pan and unlikely to do much in the game and then he scores a double just before Christmas in his last league game for Lierse and follows it up with another double in a friendly last week against Heerenveen. It’s a massive 12 months for Watt….hopefully he can kick on and score some goals for Lierse in the second half of the season and come back to Celtic an improved player (with a much improved attitude) in the summer. When he’s playing well he just looks such a powerful, direct finisher….it would be such a shame if he never made it at Celtic!!!
Burnley78….
If you really think about that season we had no expectations of winning the league.
It is testament to the spirit that Big Billy brought to the job.
The Huns knocked out PSV and a very strong Juventus side en route to European Cup Quarter Final under Ham n ‘ Egg, in his first season…..they actually thought they were going on to win it that year.When Cologne beat them in QF,it knocked the stuffing out of them and we took advantage of it with what looked like an inferior team on paper.
The fact we didn’t have European games probably helped us over the line,as the Huns won both cups that year and would have done a treble if they had held on for a draw that night.
What a wonderful feeling that night coming out of Paradise……Will stay with me for the rest of my life.
Hail Hail
“You need us” “You can’t survive with out us” “Your doomed if you go it alone” – all echoed by compliant MSM. All sound awfy familiar.
Ah hiv bin oan aboot this.. fur.. well.. Donkeys.
At the Crux of Celtic’s ..hivin an Over- Abundance of Non -Scorin Strikers,oan it’s Books..
Is..
Celtic. hivin an Over-Abundance..o’
Overly Defensive Minded..
Mid-Fielders…..oan .. oor . Books!
Wan thing follows the Ither.. Jist like ..Spit n Polish!
Sure, a Mid-Fielder who kin.. Hunt. Tackle n Beguile..WHENEVER wan of those Qualiteeees…becomes… NECESSARY…..
Is in Possession of a bunch of Very Necessary Adjuncts..tae any..well..Mid Fielder’s Tool-Box.
Howevahhhhh..
Guys, like Broonie n Ledley.. ur .. far too Limited..
Baith of these Gentlemen.. being extremely .. Narrowly Focussed, oan the Defensive Part ..of that Bunch of.. Adjuncts!…almost, tae the point of ….Exclusivity.
We need Far Mair… of whit..is known in the Trade as..Versatility.. Great Woid.. that!
coming frum Eethur of these Two Gentlemen.
Yep..
Whit we need is Much mair. Versatility .. coming fae oor Mid-Field Players..
Broonie n Ledley.. are .. Wan Trick Ponies..
They, luv tae Pass the Ba’.. tae a Player.. who ..is Nevah in a Position tae Threaten or
mount a telling attack, that wid create,even, the Teeniest Crack..in oor Opponents’ Defensive Apparatus,
It is jist no in thur Make-Up… tae .. Pass the Ba’
Forward..
Really, this is Not the Uppermost thought in eethur’s Mind, which it, Undoubtedly, Should be, whenevah eethur , Has sole Possession of the Fitba’.
Na.. they ur much mair Inclined tae Pass.. the Ba’.. across the Park..tae a Colleague,who happens tae be In a Complete and Utterly… Non Threatening Position… tae inflict any Danger tae oor
Opponents.. Defensive Set-Up.
Yes..oor Present Covey of Would Be Strikers May or MAY NOT… Have any Free Scoring talent..that is True..
But,it is a Lead Pipe Cinch that… as Long as Broonie n Ledley. are In oor Mid Field..
We wull Never be ablte tae Find Oot.. wan way or anither..
Fur.Oor Poor Striker’s ur Left .. Dying oan the Vine,, fur Ninety Percent of the Game..
They are bein’ Starved tae Death..oot there..
and
It’s Oor Mid Fielder’s who are withholding the Grub!
Let’s hope.. ‘
This Johansen Chap.. is the start of something BiG!
Kojo
Still..
Laughin’..
Gottah Go,joe..
Seeya.