We told you back in October last year that Rangers were likely to be liquidated and a Newco FC would be formed, which the SPL would vote back into the league. Today the SPL issued terms of how the deed will be done as they issued 8 resolutions to be voted on later this month.
The key resolution is 2A, which establishes a procedure to phoenix a Newco into the place of an ex-club. Crucially, this resolution only requires the support of 8 SPL clubs, all 12 of whom will be eligible to vote at the meeting. 5 clubs would be needed to block this proposal and right now there is only one willing to do so.
Resolutions are as follows:
Resolution 1 proposes an increase in the sporting sanction (points deduction) on any Club which suffers or is subject to an Insolvency Event from 10 points to the greater of 15 points and 1/3 of the Club’s SPL points in the preceding season.
This resolution increases the penalties imposed following an insolvency event, it requires the support of 8 clubs to be carried and should be supported.
Resolution 2A proposes further sporting sanctions in the event that any Club undergoes an Insolvency Transfer Event (i.e. transfers its share in the SPL to a new company where this occurs because of the insolvency of the transferor) of 10 points in each of two consecutive seasons from the Insolvency Transfer Event.
This resolution provides for an ‘Insolvency Transfer Event’, defining what happens when a club ceases to exist and a Newco FC is formed. No provisions currently exist for such a scenario and I see no reasons to introduce any. The resolution requires the support of 8 clubs to be carried and must be opposed.
Resolution 2B proposes revisions to the fee payment arrangements i.e. SPL fees to any Club which has undergone an Insolvency Transfer Event will be reduced by 75% in each of three consecutive seasons from the Insolvency Transfer Event.
This resolution provides for a financial penalty in the event the Insolvency Transfer Event resolution is voted through and requires the support of 11 clubs. This is an outrageous and arbitrary increase in support required to impose financial sanctions. All an Insolvency Transfer club needs is the support of one other club to halt financial penalties.
If resolution 2A is passed, resolution 2B should be subject to the same voting criteria and must be supported. The SPL must ensure a financial penalty is imposed for financial misdeeds.
Resolution 3 proposes extending sporting sanctions where an Insolvency Event is suffered by a Group Undertaking of a Member Club of the SPL (Group Undertaking is defined in Section 1161(5) of the Companies Act 2006).
This resolution confirms insolvency events at group owner level are applicable to the club, requires the support of 8 clubs and should be supported.
Resolution 4 proposes updates and extensions to the definition of Insolvency Event in the SPL Rules.
I assume this is an administrative requirement and needs the support of 8 clubs.
Resolution 5 proposes updates and extensions to the definition of Insolvency Event in the SPL Articles and clarifies the process in the event that a Member which is the subject of an Insolvency Event is required to transfer its share in the Company.
This is a technical resolution defining how clubs lose or transfer their share in the League. It requires the support of 11 clubs but it is not clear if has any consequence, more than clarifying administrative procedures.
Resolution 6 proposes a specific requirement in the SPL Rules that Clubs must pay their Players in terms of their Contracts of Service on due dates and places a duty on any Club to report any failure to pay its Players in a timely manner to the SPL. Failure to pay Players and / or to notify such failure to the SPL would be a breach of SPL Rules.
This resolution should enhance fair play, requires the support of 8 clubs and should be supported.
Resolution 7 proposes a requirement in the SPL Rules that Clubs report to the SPL any failure to make payments to HMRC in respect of PAYE and NIC (a Default Event). Any Club suffering such a Default Event will be subject to a Player Registration Embargo. Any failure to report a Default Event shall be a breach of the SPL Rules.
This resolution prohibits clubs in tax arrears from signing players, requires the support of 8 clubs and should be supported.
If only they would pay their taxes we would not need to bother with any of this.
More on the consequences of these proposals later.
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We have the perfect opportunity to stage a protest this Sunday…..Hampdem Park live on SKY!!!! Anyone think of somethinh appropriate …….a colour of protest or chant?
That’s it.
Av hid anuff
Am pittin the kettle oan!!!
Tetley,that’s better
In full flow there and then the bleeding text vanishes…hate using these ipads thingymebobwhotsits…the vast majority of fans of ALL clubs, including Hertz, are all as outraged as us at the whitewash concocted by that suited SPHell cabal we call the gang of ten. This is patently obvious from just a cursory glimpse of our rivals fans forums- our problem: despite paying our taxes & playying by the rules we are hated just as much as der hun in some circles.
WE ARE ALONE.
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 11 April, 2012 at 19:39
Quite simply, I would not support any stance which would result in the end of Celtic.
There was a really good question raised on SSB that Hugh sidestepped.
IMO the course of action that benefits the most people is for Them to pay their debts. It benefits everyone in this country that obtains benefits from publicly funded bodies (e.g. the NHS). Thats about 60 million people. It benefits those people who follow Them as it allows them to maintain their history and their view of dignity. If the time under penury to pay back the debt equals the time spent benefiting from their tax wheeze then I’d take that as karma working again.
Who this doesn’t benefit is the current owner, whoever that may turn out to be. A few people at most. At risk is £1.
D’you think der hun will be out tonight robbin’ jelly & ice cream? Coz they sure as s***e won’t be payin’ for it.
Bhoycott away games- support our team and our team only- make the rest suffer
My God, Paul.
Is this what it has come to … ?
Post of the evening (so far) on this:
the glorious balance sheet summarised it beautifully on 11 April, 2012 at 18:47 when he said:
“This is not about football anymore. This is about the wealthy, the establishment, the greedy, being able to do what the hell they want, filling theirboots and laughing at the rest of us as they do so.
• Minty Moonbeams gets off scot free.
• Craig Whyte and Andrew Ellis get their millions for 9 months work.
• Duff & Phelps get their £3million for 2 months work.
• Michael Johnston, John Yorkston and the other subsidy junkies get their one or twice annual RFC game cash injection (as well as the right to brag down the lodge as to how they did their bit to save ra Gers).
• Paul Murray gets to front Newco Rangers.
• “Ra Peepul” get their sense of entitlement indulged and have their club saved without putting their paws in their pockets.
• And the UK taxpayer, and the small businesses who were daft enough to trade with RFC get nothing.”
FF
well well well
all done and dusted then
who’d have thought it
again the huns have managed to squirm their way back from oblivion
ps WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS
Around the country:-
A Hibs Forum: Let’s be honest our league is more corrupt than the like of Italy’s, after this Scottish cup semi I can see myself not attending another game for a long time if a newco rangers are allowed to compete in this corrupt league with corrupt institutions.
An Aberdeen Forum: If rangers liquidate and come straight into the SPL one more here that will be throwing the towel in after 16 years as season ticket holder
A Dundee Utd Forum: How many are going to be turning their back on the Scottish game if these rules are passed?
A Motherwell Forum: F–K YER GLASGOW RANGERS AND F–K YER SPL. Disgraceful.
A Hearts Forum: Also every clubs should have their own red card protest when playing Rangers to say NO to a newco being voted straight in
A St Mirren Forum: For me a newco has to start in the 3rd division and anything else makes our sporting integrity null and void
An Inverness Forum: If a “phoenix club” is created as a form of continuation of Glasgow Rangers, then this new club must first seek election to the SFA and SFL. This new club MUST NOT be given a “free pass” straight back into the SPL
This is not a Celtic v Rangers issue IT IS A FOOTBALL INTEGRITY ISSUE
I’ve just read your article Paul67………. Feckin’ gobsmacked….they really are a total disgrace….SFA / SPL / bhuns ……. EVIL PREVAILS IN EVIL ESTABLISHMENTS
I AM SO GRATEFUL I WAS BORN A TIM .. HAIL HAIL TO ALL THOSE WITH INTEGRITY, THOSE WHO’s PRIORITY IT IS TO ACHIEVE ALL THEY CAN WHILST WORKING WITH THE RULES, AND WITHIN THEIR FINACIAL BOUNDARIES …… THE LUST FOR POWER, SUPREMACY AND MONEY LEADS TO RUINATION ……THE REAPER IS SHARPENING HIS SCYTHE
Apologies for the spelling ….feckin’ raging ….. Cannot believe they would stoop so low ……as from now, I am concentrating on CELTIC ONLY ….. Will leave the pursuit of justice / fair play to OUR experts, to whom we are eternally grateful……Hail Hail..!!!!
lionroars67 on 11 April, 2012 at 19:53 said:
They are not the only ones, by a long way, but yes, if they cant pay their way out of the debt, then they have cheated.
They are a fantastic team to watch, but, if the team has been funded, by money they cannot affored to pay, they disadvantaged other teams in their league, (where there are plenty of others doing similar), and in europe, (same again).
The fact that others do it also, does not make it ok. While debt is managable, I guess its hard to draw a line, some clubs run with higher debts than others, so its a grey area. But once the administrators are in, and it is clear that there are innocent parties who will not be paid, the sanctions have to be steeper, there has to be more punishment. If Barca cannot pay their debt, how can they keep their champions league and domestic titles?
Of course, if the runners up, in said competitions, go into admin soon after, it really becomes a very unfunny joke. UEFA really need to start doing something, and soon, before its not just Scotland, but European football that becomes totally pointless.
What do the ten get out of this?
How does the relegated team feel?
Why are the voting margins different for certain proposals?
Where is Karma?
U
The SFA and the rest were going to pull the plug on Celtic in 94 for £1M.
We didnae have any double contracts, we didnae cheat our way to league flags and cups, we just had a board that wurnae very good businessmen.
The Bunnet got us out that hole, by honest investment and a lot of hard work.
A lot of handshakes, wiks and nods are getting them out of theirs.
It’s like the Jinky / Ham n Egg comparison again.
Just sums them up to a tee.
We all knew that they would get off scot free!
Disgusting
SFA SPL ? It’s a Sham
Well all I want now is titles stripped and their history lost …. But I won’t hold my breath .
Oliver kapo? Remember him ?
Looks like he is getting relegated with auxerre….. Surprised a club thier size?
Maybe they need to speak to Orc fc!
Been sitting absolutely raging since I read the article.
Still not fully able to put into words my disgust at these proposals.
As I mentioned earlier in an email to the Fat Bhoys Slim, this is akin to East Germany and the Stasi’s “sponsorship” of BFC Dynamo.
The corruption is as balatant today here, at it was back in the 70’s there.
Hunbelievable, absolutely hunbelievable.
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Ross County need a stadium built. Why doesn’t Dermot Desmond not just offer to have it built for them? I’m sure they’d be really grateful. :)
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 11 April, 2012 at 19:34 said:
Correct. The SFA should be blocking the proposals, and UEFA should be insisting that they do.
This is commercialism sticking up two fingers to sporting integrity and sporting merit. If UEFA fail to act then they might as well pack it in too.
What is the point of promoting fair play when the principle is walked all over whenever it suits commercial interests?
If that happens then no borders or authority to constrain Celtic, new commercial leagues form and UEFA die.
For that reason, their own self interest, I would expect UEFA to step in,
ulysses mcghee on 11 April, 2012 at 20:09 said:
He ran over ma dogma
Re those forums from other clubs
The only one I could imagine not being up in arms about it is hearts, first for their er, links, but more importantly because they might need to perform such a sleight of hand themselves. I’m surprise and pleased then, to see comments from them so vehemently opposed to this nonsense.
Banner for Sunday, “support newco at you peril, no away support from us no attendance at cup games”
All these sympathisers recognise is money, no show no dough.
HH.
First things first
1. Celtic should publish in full the proposals (the SPL news item merely summarises the key points). This should include the proposers.
2. So far RFC (IA) has openly cheated. If these proposals are voted through then all those voting in favour have joined the cheats.
3. I will not pay to watch cheats and so if CFC propose to continue in the SPL I won’t pay to watch that.
4. If CFC arrange to then play in the SFL I will be happy to pay and re-new.
5. If CFC want to join another league (USA, Ireland?) I will renew and support.
6. If CFC want to become Harlem CFC and Globetrot I will renew happily.
Let’s be clear. The gang of 10 are relying on Celtic doing what they’re told and sitting at the back of the bus so they (the 10) can continue to survive via TV money.
No Celtic, no TV money. Be Clear. We can out live all of them in any disruption. In any disruption I will spend all my spare dollars supporting that cause.
There are great minds at and all around Celtic. I expect those minds to not only explore but find and enforce a future that means Celtic survive and thrive.
We don’t need no stinking Huns. We don’t need no stinking SPL.
What we do need is to be clear on a strategy that gives us a strong future without the 1-11 corrupt clubs of the SPL.
But, if we lie down to this I will not spend any of my dollars at all on a corrupt league and corrupt competition.
HH
I was thinking of going along to the Glasgow Cup Final on Monday until I saw it was at Ibrox. No £5 from me. Good luck to the Under-17s. I hope you do it with no Celtic fans present.
Could it be that Regan & Doncaster saw this as a way to appease the rest of the footballing world? That they thought newco not being allowed back in was a strong possibility and that this might allow them a way to wriggle out of it?
IF it is rejected then what? No penalties? Or no SPL place for newco?
Vmhan Supporting Lenny! on 11 April, 2012 at 19:58 said:
Vinny a good piece of SPORTING news.Good luck to him.
Sorry if I annoyed anyone by caps highlighting .
Hello to all at cqn – first time poster but a daily lurker from way back from pre black sunday . Paul , fantastic site , love the points raised from the happyclappers / mineshafters on the , pro / anti board , sammi / broony / big fraser debates and many others talked about over the years .. Some great posts which show that no matter what , we all want the best for Celtic but we just have different opinions on how , whatever is the topic of the day , can be best achieved . Difficult first post to start with regarding the proposed new spl rules so take it easy on me fellow Celts ! !
Club are in a awkward position in regards to what happens if newco ( rfcia ) are allowed back into spl , as are being posted tonight . Various scenarious ie resign , move to another league , boycot etc . Think the first two are no goers , resign – play were ? sfl 3 ? financial mess , move – were to ? nothing feasible at the moment . Boycot ? best option but hard to implement . We would need practically all the Celtic family to cancel sky / espn etc . Away games , great idea but it aint gonnna happen . A few weeks ago there were calls for a boycott of ibrokes and killie and because of what was at stake the Celtic allocation could have sold out 3 times over . In my opinion this will always happen , plus there are loads of fans who will follow the team everywere no matter what .
Celtic should say nothing , until the btc is resolved and the spl meeting votes on the new proposals , whilst at the same time work away in the background , with the best legal minds planning for all scenarios . Then if needs must , publish the
” dodgy dossier ” and sue the life outa the sfa / spl if its proved that the use of ebt’s , double contracts were ilegal .
StMichaelsBhoy2 on 11 April, 2012 at 19:30 said:
praecepta on 11 April, 2012 at 19:17 said:
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Might be the way I presented my point – I am not advocating suing the SPL.
I would be looking for the Celtic Board to get an Interdict to prevent any voting on these proposals till such times as the ultimate position of RFCiA is determined:
i.e. Still in Administration at season end or in Liquidation (and if so whether a newco had been formed).
1. The conflict of interest can be demonstrated by RFCiA’s position being unresolved (including HMRC case).
2. It can also be demonstrated that other Member Clubs (in all honesty) would have a view relating to whether monies owed to them are yet to be resolved.
3. It can also be demonstrated that 2 other Member Clubs (in all honesty) would have a view relating to whether they are relegated or not.
4. It can also be demonstrated that 3/4 other Member Clubs (in all honesty) would have a view relating to whether they achieve a European Spot with league fixtures still to be completed (against them).
4 good reasons to argue – Conflict of Interest!
Kingoh on 11 April, 2012 at 20:04 said:
I couldn’t agree more.
lochgoilhead bhoy on 11 April, 2012 at 20:14
As it is a cup final hopefully the ‘home’ side will not be allowed to keep all the gate money.
I’m not sure but would think the money will be halved between the participants.
I am still in shock with all of this, if there is any decent Rangers fans out there surely they can see this just ain’t right.
It’s as if they’re rewarding Rangers with all their tax dodges.
It’s a total shambles and I can’t believe I won’t be watching my beloved team anymore. I just can’t stand back and allow this to happen.
Our club has run a tight ship for years and we have been cheated for years and so has other SPL teams.
They can’t get away with this, for the good of the game something has to be done.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice will always prevail on 11 April, 2012 at 20:09 said: ……as from now, I am concentrating on CELTIC ONLY ….. Will leave the pursuit of justice / fair play to OUR experts, to whom we are eternally grateful……Hail Hail..!!!!
I agree 100% with you 67Heaven. We have been treated unfairly for a long long time by the powers that be in Scottish football and that is why last Saturday at Rugby Park felt so good, it is why Tannadice in 2008 felt so good, it is why beating St Johyntsone 2-0 in 1998 felt so good, it is why 4-2 with 10 men in 1979 felt so good etc, etc, etc
Let them cheat, let them swindle and despite their best efforts we will continue to enjoy being the greatest supporters in the world following the best team in the world – faithful through and through.
Hail Hail
Don’t know if this has been proposed earlier or not, but it is time for a new generation of “Celts for Change” to emerge.
Out of interest, how many other clubs are on the brink.
Hearts, Dons, murderwell? Many millions in debt all three and more.
Has this been concocted to suit more than one club and to put all of them on even financial field in long term? Just a thought?
So much for astute financial housekeeping by Celtic?
Aye totally p****d off.
These cheating hun pigs cannot have it both ways. If they keep their history then they should keep the big tax bill and be made to pay it over however many years it takes.
I work in Edinburgh and share an office with supporters of Hibs, Hearts and Dunfermline. To a man and woman they are horrified by today’s revelations. We already know how the majority of Aberdeen fans feel and I would imagine the sentiments are the same across the board.
We must find a way to unite with fans of the other clubs to make it clear that we simply will not participate in a bent and corrupt league.
As far as I know, Celtic can’t sue the SFA under UEFA rules. But presumably we could sue the SPL without incurring any punishment.
Is Mr Z playing right back for Dortmund?
sounds like it although spelt differently
time for change – Banner for Sunday,Switch off SKY/ESPN