After writing a piece on our European season for the forthcoming CQN Magazine I read the excellent contribution from SFTB this morning. It is only natural that we live in the moment but for the last 70 years of the 20th century Celtic fans, more than anyone else, viewed each day in its historical context.
Older generations would have had little choice but to keep their history alive during the lost decades between the mid-20s and mid-60s. 7-1 and the Coronation Cup, each magnificent and modest in their own way, were the highlights, while the legend of Jimmy McGrory more than anyone established what was known as the Celtic Way.
Then came Lisbon. In an instant, all that history was eclipsed. New heroes, one of whom recalled to me he was told Celtic would amount to nothing with him in the team by a ‘fan’ a few years earlier, changed everything, but for this most historical of clubs, the inheritance was not all positive.
If Jimmy McGrory established Celtic as a remarkable goal-scoring team, the incessant attacking that afternoon in Lisbon cast an unattainable shadow. It proved Celtic could win the European Cup by playing fabulous football but set a template we were cursed to attempt to follow.
The rules of the off-field game have changed often since those days, no more so than this season, when Celtic grew from a team who were penned into their own penalty box by HJK Helsinki, who needed a goal to knock us out of Europe in August, from a team the Turin media were joyous when Juventus beat home and away. Thoughts of ‘Maybe we could win this” have since emerged in Turin.
I’ve loved every minute of this season, from the last minute header in Moscow to the last minute header in Dingwall. Adding context to it is a joy for one of our tomorrows.
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borgo67,
I read the i. But I get all my football news from CQN. Gave up the Herald long since.
!!bada bing!! at 10.05 –
got to be honest and say that I don’t want 12-12-18 either. I really don’t care about the 18 bit of the proposal and whether it helps or hinders Sevco. Rather I am unconvinced as to what benefits will be brought to the division that WE play in.
Back to working…
Sorry for repost(mp3 and takes a while to load)
Turnbull Huttons thoughts on most things about finance, league reconstruction and Scottish football ,to the Raith fans at an open meeting.
But basically if 12-12-18 does not get passed SFA & SPl will forget the spread of wealth and go with SPL 2 idea(Ithink):))
http://www.raithrovers.info/2013/02/open_meeting.mp3
12-12 is the way forward. SPFL 1 & 2. Pyramid structure below that, Nothern, Western & Eastern leagues comprising the remaining 18 SFL teams and the best from Highland, East of Scotland, South of Scotland and Juniors.
Grow as the game improves and if financially viable but 24 professional teams are more than enough for a country of our size.
parkheadcumsalford
thanks ,will have a look.
like you its only CQN for football news although usually i am catching up . The live updates can be hard work at times ,no names necessary , but the info some guys post at times is just superb
SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!
Comedy lovers (this isn’t about Chuck Green) – 2 tickets for any show at the Glasgow Comedy Festival – http://www.s1play.com/ – big pink button at lower right corner of the page.
Apologies to Paul67.
Reconstruction is a desperate act by people who are clueless from years of mismanagement, the SFL sees a chance to get a bigger slice of the dwindling pie, the SPL is in all ways a busted flush and the SFA is corrupt to the core.
How do you think it’s going to work out??
Disappointed that Turnball Hutton seems to be lumping us in with the huns in respect to Longmuir’s Clots plan( what a load of total sh***) the huns can’t afford one team let alone one and half!
This is all about the huns, always has been these idiots got their bawstoed last year when football said no and now they are back with a new smokescreen to try and wangle a better deal for Sevco, let’s hope that football has the haw maws to say no again..
I mean who the f*** tries to re-construct a corrupt broken model?? Run by the same idiots who broke it, only in Scotland as the old saying goes..
Step forward Mr Longmuir the new Captain Bligh on a new ship of fools..
Scunnered to the bone with Scottish Football in a season where my club has surpassed expectations in Europe to little or no acclaim in their home country…
SP
Schadenfreude Sicilian style ——.
Watched Barca / Milan with my elderly Inter mad neighbor .
Neutral me was happy that the best team won but the Inter man [ who hates Milan nearly as much as he hates Juve ] was absolutely chuffed —–
Not only were Milan humped and humbled but some things added to his pleasure –
Second goal was offside [ ha ha ]
Abate should have been off but wasn’t —– thereby denying Milan the we played with 10 men excuse ..
The joke free kick before goal number 4 [ what was that about ?-].
The Niang miss —– the added pleasure of him hitting the post —- great delight in the so close but no cigar front / it might have changed the game too /what a shame
Mrs S of T doesn’t give a fig about football but she loved the thought that Berlusconi would have been watching from his hospital bed ..
Grey and damp -way down south.
The Wilson article highlights what some clubs across the continent can do but fails to properly look into why it doesn’t work in the same way in Scotland.
Teams who play in Germany, Holland and England (even though Swansea are Welsh) have access to something Scottish teams don’t – better TV money which quite frankly allows them to spend much more than Celtic or (stop laughing at the back) sevco or even any Scottish club can on players to sell on for greater profit.
Dutch football produces a plethora of top class youth players but it always has. This is nothing new and since the 1980’s Scottish sides have failed to produce good players consistently who go on to play at the highest level of the game.
Since the 1990s how many players have come out of Scottish youth teams and went to play in top English or European sides?
Contrast that with the massive amounts of Dutch or French trained players who move to bigger leagues and clubs and who win the big prizes down the years and you’ll see why to some degree it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that Sevco can do the same any time soon or at best within the next decade.
Now unless there is an exceptional crop coming through (rather than the odd one or two) that isn’t going to change any time soon AND Scotland is a small country with clubs all competing for the best in a market with limited quality and low on skill if the people who make it are anything to go by – so the youth development thing is a slow process and when your young colts are your first team as sevco’s are there’s no point in putting them into a lower league (especially when your first team is in a lower league).
Celtic on the other hand have a twin fold strategy – find the gems from unfancied leagues like Israel, Belgium, S. Korea and Honduras and sell them on AND develop our own players for the first team with a view to selling them later and bringing through the next generation. But the key thing is Celtic’s strategy has worked and has shown the way to other clubs with similar ambitions in other leagues – no QPR models here thank you very much.
Celtic cannot access the monies of German football nor the EPL but having got to the last sixteen beating Barcelona as a pot four team (and doing all this without a massive overdraft or an EBT scheme) shows that’s the way to do it.
The Wilson article starts off talking about how the fans need to keep turning up and there’s the rub for Sevco – when the inevitable boredom sets in they’ll start to question whether it is worth it but if they’ve got to pay a bit more to watch their dross beat the other dross (who they love and have made many new friends) we’ll see this “loyalty” they go on and on about and the crowd counting will begin to be something which we stop hearing so much about.
Signing a raft of ex-Hearts and Motherwell players will make you competitive to a point in Scotland but not overly so.
The players they’ve signed are all rubbish – no exceptions. They showed it in the cups apart from against their lie down buddies so the long road back is going to be fraught with a few more embarrassments along the way.
Coincidentally, any SPL player who wants to play for them needs their head looked at – they might get daft wages but the Championship clubs will pay them similar.
STARRY PLOUGH
http://www.theday.com/article/20110531/INTERACT010306/110539970
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
I knew someone would get the reference, sad thing is though we are starring in scottish football’s B movie…
The huns being the greatest cliche within a cliche of all time, a non-entity thrid division team still trying to call the shots like a hasbeen boxer walking on his heels and claiming to be a contender..
Down with kind of thing!!
Invercelt
10:17 on
13 March, 2013
Hope you dont mind, I seen your post to Michael and looked up this on you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABfbz7_Zu-o
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Ps My mate bought me an mp3 player a few years ago , and loaded it up with A-Z music,Me not being that musically minded said what have you put classical music on it for :((
He just smiled and said JUST GIVE IT A LISTEN :)).
I have no issue in principle with the ‘Colts’ team idea, provided it does not exclude from the structure clubs such as Spartans who have the means and ambition to play Senior football.
A young Celtic side playing in the lower divisions will likely help bring out the talent more quickly, while providing an added focus of interest to those of us who follow youth development.
The issue is largely one of timing insofar as the Sevco first team just now is essentially their ‘colts’ plus a bag full of hammers, while the Sevco club cannot satify the requirements for licensing at even Bronze level for their first team, let alone any other team.
Why the Sevco club should be considered suitable for a place in such a set up when their business model cannot sustain their existing commitments is a clear symptom of Scottish Football’s current malady.
The ‘leadership’ seems to have learned nothing from the past 3 years’ crisis.
The Battered Bunnet
BB doy you know if Spartans complained when Sevco waltzed into division three ahead of of them, a proper club with proper accounts??
STARRY PLOUGH
B-MOVIE is actually playing right now on the doco on Sky Arts which I mentioned earlier!
Strangely,the discussions on empire just after midnight on page 15 reminded me of another GSH belter.
This one…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJEbh3DxLEU
So sevco will have 2 teams in the bottom league, until they liquidate….he he
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
A great writer, it was my great pleasure to have met him back in the 80’s in Glasgow, great gig, great backstage!!
So will the Colt be older than Sevco?
starry plough
10:33 on
13 March, 2013
the league reconstruction is all about sevco
longmuir has used the colts set up to link celtic to his crazy plan
when ra gers got rid of their reserve team in the spl
they cited cost and that the set up did not benefit the players
fast foward to now
sevco running at a£1 million pound loss per month with a team full of youngsters
they cannot even finance 1 team
imho the reconstruction will amount to nothing
but with the likes of RCO,regan,doncaster and longmuir anything is possible
lets hope they leave things the way they are and maybe we will never have to play the tribute act
jam67
miki 67 @ 16 42.
Thanks for the link —— gave it a click —– not my thing .
I have no musical ability whatsoever .
Stuck indoors —— torrential rain . Kitchen cleaning duties —.
Take care ——- there may be DWP agents lurking . Posting on a blog clearly demonstrates that you have the skill set necessary for modern office work.
I read on CQN this morning that Tommy Burns passd away 3 years ago today.
Then, a few minutes ago, Mack The Knife popped up on shuffle on my i-pod.
I always think of Tommy singing this at the Heriot Watt CSC famous Tommy Burns Suppers.
BMCUW
“my record collection only goes from ABC to Frank Zappa!”
You are now drummed out of the moonhowlers cos you don’t have Warren Zevon.
macjay1
Just a quick reply. When I said Mandela was just a figurehead , I specified a 94 year old figurehead. He was not always just a figurehead; he was a magnificent leader.
I would hope that, if any of us had been forced to live as 2nd class separate citizens, amongst obscene privilege afforded on the basis of colour of skin (and I would include party political membership as just as damning), then we too would have rebelled and fought, and celebrated our rebellion.
I don’t know what Hain has said or not said about the current violence and, maybe I should have, but he was scrupulously in favour of non-violent action at the time of apartheid. To be pacific in violent times, when you are on the direct receiving end, is a much tougher challenge.
STARRY PLOUGH
I bought “REFLECTIONS” about 30 years ago,and was listening to it one night when my Dad saw the sleeve,and told me who his GSH snr was-bloody hell,I was flabbergasted!!!
Loved his stuff,despite him not being my usual genre,never saw him live-much less met him. Seems he was a bit of a regular in Scotland,had a very close friend in particular in Edinburgh (sorry,can’t remember the name,but he wrote an excellent obituary in tribute to him)
He packed a bit into his 62 years…….
Mind,you can find anything on the net…..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2011/dec/11/scott-heron-obituary-jamie-byng
jungle jam67
I hope we never play them again, my dislike of Sevco and McCoist has eclipsed anything that I had for the auld orcs…
After the LNS decision any hope of a revitalised Scottish game are fading, it’s carry on as you were and what can we do to save the berrs..
Sickened by the whole charade, you’ll see if Hearts go to the wall not a finger will be lifted, they will be Third Lanarked without a second thought…
Just a quick question.
I canot recall where I read it but I recently saw some reference to Rangers signing duds (Faure, Cribari, Argyriou) as having been foisted on McCoist and were owned by friends of Green, earning money for them while at Rangers. My recollection was that it was Ibrox insiders who were claiming this.
Does anyone have any hard info?
7 years since “Jinky” left us.
The wakes- the JJ man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFB3FIPLuug
SETTING FREE THE BEARS 1110
Hands-up and bang-to-rights! It ain’t my favourite piece,and as the legendary original coiner-of-the-phrase,you are entitled to withdraw my membership.
I will now enter a period of purdah,where I only post during the day-see how many people beg you to get me back on Moonhowler duties and aff the day-shift…….
leftclicktic,
Thanks, I knew it was 7 years ago. I was thinking of a close friend who passed away 3 years ago today and I confused myself.
Punts for Cheltenham today!
13:30 Godsmejudge
14:05 Pont Alexandre
14:40 Unioniste
15:20 Sprinter Sacre
16:00 Abbey Lane
16:40 Saphir Du Rheu
17:15 The Liquidator
LB
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
A heartfelt tribute from a man who knew The Man…
Tiny Tim-You have mail.
starry plough
too true mate
stopped taking tickets to ipox for many a year
could not pay to watch the bile that poured from the stands at ipox
it was bad enough they tried to pollute paradise with their bile
god help us all if the tribute act return to the top league
the cheats with whistles will have to work like hell to help swallys team beat the young guns that neil has assembled
that and maybe 2 more years of champions leauge riches
hearts will def goto the wall…but dunfermiline may beat them to it
jam67
sflb
Re players being foisted onto sevco. This link was posted earlier
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-appear-failing-scouting-new-1757234
My thanks to those who mentioned Coodham House.
I had forgotten the name of the place where I tried on several long-gone weekends to renew my faltering Faith.
It didn’t work, but that was not the fault of the retreat house or the kindly priests.
It was a lovely place to switch off & spend a while thinking.
Lovely memories.
BMCUW
If you can’t be a Moonhowler be a Bat Chain Puller.
Morning Bhoys from a sunny Manchester. Looking forward to cheering the cyclists for Wee Oscar from Leeds on Saturday.
BMCUW
Don’t worry! Beefheart & Zappa should see your credentials as strong.
TCC
Ta! it does look like there was something in it.
Back to work now.