So what did we learn yesterday? Primarily we learned that you can’t replace 8 players from a team which won 0-4 at Tynecastle while leaving the core element of the team in place. It is justifiable to be critical of the performances of experienced key players who didn’t perform, but Wanyama, Brown, Matthews, Miku didn’t become bad players overnight, nor did Tony Watt, what happened is the essence of our team – the system – was missing.
The effort was there but the focus which makes this Celtic team wasn’t. In many ways this was the perfect setup for a Champions League game against a team too many people are telling me we’ll turn over. Our Christmas Cup Final on Wednesday will require every element that existed against Barcelona last month.
The knives are out for Spartak’s foreign players, who are taking the blame for the clubs disintegration since losing at home to Celtic, both in the press and online fan polls. We may see a more Russian looking Spartak on Wednesday. Which will be no bad thing.
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TET
And one was deflected ?
HH
Jude..
wasn’t on last night at all, haven’t read back as I received a text from the boy jinky and decided it would be better to stay off..
Ghuys,
Having de-frosted after yesterday, what can you say when you see your team exhibit a lack of proper application. You could see the Arbroath goal coming because our attitude was incorrect.
It is difficult to pick out tactical faults when basic application are absent …. still stuff happens and I expect that we will be 1st class on Wednesday and get through comfortably.
IMO what NL can take out of Saturday is that there needs to a be a run of games with a settled team, also our 2 centre forwards in the last 2 home games (Micu and Watt) have hardly exchanged a pass and I bet would hardly recognise one another if they walked passed each other in London Road.
If the 2 front men cannot make the oppostion cente halfs work for it , that combined with a tendency to walk it into the net and virtually no goal scoring threat from midfield, sort of explains our troubles at home……. that is what your eyes tell you, however it is what is not happening between the players ears is the real problem ….. we are playing at home as all we need to do is cross the white line.
Onwardsupwardscfc
And your point is….
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/
Uv got a tv room?? WAAWEEE
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hasn’t everyone – i’ve got a replica shirt signed by MON hanging in mine – I thought it was a condition of CQN membership
I have not seen the game. You seem to have the match stats. I am trying to work out if the anguish is genuine or a concerted effort to unsettle.
For TET
Pf ayr-dont think they are selling half season tickets,i thought they were a good idea,seen them punting a 3 match package yesterday.
Is a TV room another description of a living room ?
BBC News 24 @ 8.30 , Panorama. How to Dodge Tax ………..
Burghbhoy
Lounge surely!
Jude
PF stays in a nursing home…. o))
Awe_Naw
I’m relaying what others who were at the game said.
20-2 shots on target.
My point is that 20 shots on target is managing to break down a packed defence, we made the chances, just didn’t convert them.
If we only made say 8 chances, with 5 on target I would be worried.
Lenny set the team up to creat the chances, he can do no more that he did, he can’t stick the ball in the net for them.
I’m happy with the progress.
Bada
I am sure Chuck Green will be tuning in
Gene’s….
Only if you got a TV in it
gene’s a Bhoys name……
Mai oui !
SFTB
I bow to your superior statistical knowledge, and apologise that your stat included the last CP game.
But at least I think I’ve moved you to somewhere between not being “ten men behind the ball” and “attacking”.
They might be neither because they have coaches who play a counter attacking game with a ‘choked’ *© PFAyr* five in the middle.
Whatever it is, it’s effective against NFL and especially the home game current Celtic way, and is contrasted e.g. most recently with Tynecastle, Hearts and their up and at em big gaps at the back epic fail.
BT
Behave
PF
I’m sober so couldn’t resist…
bt
There you go. My mate used to sing this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR7NWyYm3nE
TET
Yeah me too.
Team thought one would be enough especially the way the big Fraser is playing.
Problem is a minimalist attitude by the players possibly cautioned with a dont get injured lets put this to bed attitude by the management.
HH
Ok i’ll come clean if i open the curtains and turn out the light i can see across the street into the neighbours lounge (tv room)- one advantage is there’s no sound ( except from Mrs Gene asking what the h*ll are you looking at – well that my excuse m’laud
We are as good as the team that beat Barca because we are that team.
We are as bad as the team that drew with Arbroath because we are that team too, even though the individual components and the setting were much changed.
I never got caught up in the euphoria that the MON team were headed for the Euro elite, or that WGS’s 2 last 16 places indicated we were about to breakthrough, and even if Neil gets a couple of years of improving Euro results, I will not believe that we have made it to the top.
Many former big teams in Europe (Ajax, Porto, PSV, Benfica, Lyon) have struggled to break through the inherent financial advantages of teams from the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, and, to a lesser extent, the Bundesliga. Many have done better than us but none has shown sustained pace with the Man U’s, Barcas, Bayerns and Milans of this world.
Even when they have sold players for tens of millions, they have found it difficult to re-build their success as their best players are difficult to replace and if they are any good, they get bought up by the big leagues again.
Until there is a re-appraisal of the stultifying link between CL success, TV money and the big leagues, we can only aspire to hang on to the coat tails of this phenomenon so that, if there is any breakaway set up, we get considered to be one of the clubs that get invited to make up the numbers at the party. Then we can aspire to kick on.
The Celtic teams from the late 70s to 1999 would not have been considered by Europe’s elite, as being worth inviting to this sort of party. We would have been considered well outside Europe’s top 30 teams.
The past decade or so has been the best time for Celtic, outwith the 66 to 74 period. We should be a bit more appreciative of how far we have come from the days of losing to Sachsenring, Timisoara, Partizan, Neuchatel, Zurich and Bordeaux.
Kojo continuosly trots out the mantra that we can’t break down a packed defence and while that is true to a great extent, the real barometer is the number of goal scoring chances you create. If a striker misses a sitter or a couple come back off the woodwork or their keeper makes 3 or 4 inspired saves you can’t blame the system or the set up. As long as we keep creating plenty of chances there is no need for drastic change. EKBhoy has got it right, after Spartak we need to pick our top team and give them an extended run.
PFayr
Is there a bar in ur T V room??
!!Bada Bing!!..The Central Bar on Main st will show game as will wolfetone and most others as its early kick off .. Places to eat with your good lady ..Brewery Bar at market square is good for pub grub and also has good restuarant upstairs later , Lemon Tree is also very good if your into fish etc and Bread and butter in the retail park does a mean breakfast ,think thats all angles covered for you only thing its the start off the xmas parties next weekend so booking a restuarant would be advisable ,oh and things to avoid “DRINK”.. HH
cheers Jude
Luke Kelly has a fine voice…
Just watched the first 2 episodes of ‘Football’s Next Star’ from RTE.
Most enjoyable.
Off to watch episode 3.
HH!!
Jude
The bar us in the lounge
larsson 80,
my lack of analysis, factual critique,comprehension &
intelligence, have served me well in my life.
and i know that most Celtic supporters would not
agree with your thoughts on Mr Stokes.
if you were ever to mingle with Celtic supporters
socially and said what you said, and then i said what
i said, you would thank me for making them laugh,
so there you go,
me now away to watch playschool,
Awe_Naw
Most who are moaning about not puting teams away never seem to take the referees into account.
Our players are having to play the game to a different set of rules to their opponents, for a player who is new to the country for example, it must do their heads in.
Could also be many time to settle in at the club, but it must break their hearts to see their opponents getting away with fouling with the consent of the referee, and when they do the same they are punished.
Big Loovens been sent off for Zaragoza in live match . 13min gone 2nd bookable offence ….oh the memories came flooding back :0>
TET
Yup …the only FLAW in SFTBs Kenny Shiels analysis ;-)
HH
G’night ghuys!
Early start tomorrow!
Lookin’ forward to Wednesday in a local lithgae hostelry with loads of great ghuys.
Canny wait.
C’MON THE CELTS!!!!(AND BARCELONA!!!!!)
bsr
“They might be neither because they have coaches who play a counter attacking game with a ‘choked’ *© PFAyr* five in the middle.”
“and is contrasted e.g. most recently with Tynecastle, Hearts and their up and at em big gaps at the back epic fail.”
Forgive my persistence but I still think that “choke the midfield” indicates a certain negative mind-set. I am no fan of Kilmarnock but Kenny Sheils intrigues me. His team did not merely “choke” the midfield- they passed the ball around our players and, in Liam Kelly and Gary Harkins, they had players with the skill to do this. Sheils approach to the game is similar to Danny Lennon and John Hughes in that he asks a lot of his players. You get a more open game and more of a 3 dimensional challenge from such coaches than you do when you come up againsts, Granda Broon, Craig Levein, Watty Myth, or Jim Jeffries, your proper stuffy negative Scottish coaches.
John McGlynn is far from a gung-ho coach, you are over extrapolating from one match and looking through the wrong end of the telescope. They have scored 14 goals and conceded 18 this year. That’s not a gung-ho set-up. We went 3:0 up after 30 minutes with about as many attacks as we produced against Arbroath in the first 30 minutes. Hearts had to attack because they were 3:0 down not because it was their game plan or because they had a stupid coach. We won 1:0 when they went gung-ho (i.e. we scored our 4th goal) but we won 3:0 in the first 30 minutes when they were their normal conservative selves.
glassaghwho-Thanks mate,hired a car so weather permitting will do a wee bit of sightseeing.HH Not been over for years,might take a wee trip to my mum’s wee toon,Glenties.
2 nil v Sparta.
SFTB
RE the Hearts game …IMO Hearts were too young , lightweight and inexperienced for a CFC team who started the game with drive and purpose
Simply they were blown away inside the first 30 mins ..
!!Bada Bing!!.. No problems,always here to help fellow tims and like i said before bring the themals its getting cold .Enjoy Donegal its some place .HH