Hibernian chairman, Rob Petrie, yesterday told BBC Radio Scotland “Integrity is beyond purchase”. It’s incredible to think that we live in times where this is actually news.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone would go about arguing with Rod on this matter. Kilmarnock chairman, Michael Johnston’s recent comment, “The [SPL] clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits may outweigh that” offers the alternative view, but the logical conclusion of Petrie’s argument is stark. If integrity of top clubs can be purchased, what about officials, referees and players with bookmaker friends?
We can assume Hibernian will join Celtic in voting against admitting a Newco directly into the SPL, should such a vote occur. Five clubs in total are required to block such a proposal. With Petrie declared against, would Romanov at Hearts vote for Newco? His previous public pronouncements suggest he would relish the opportunity to take on one of the big Glasgow clubs.
Dundee United and Aberdeen are two other clubs under significant supporter pressure. Both teams are also keen to change the 11-1 voting rule, which would be possible without a Newco.
Rangers, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone (through manager Steve Lomas) have all declared in favour of admitting a Newco, I expect Motherwell and St Mirren will do the same. Ross County and Inverness may fancy adding Dundee into next season’s relegation fight instead of Newco but there has been no indication how either club would vote.
The 7th May vote was the best chance of getting Newco provisions voted through. The more time clubs have to consider the decision the more susceptible they will be to supporter lobby.
I am of the view that SPL chief, Neil Doncaster, will not allow himself to become aware if Rangers have a prima facie case to answer as a result of the SPL inquiry into contractual arrangements until after a vote is taken. Deadline for clubs to respond to the inquiry passed over five weeks ago. A simple check of submissions against SPL records is all that is required. Even if each clubs issued an all-clear, the inquiry should have reported.
Doncaster perhaps has no idea of the flood that will come his way soon and wash away all of these questions. His opportunity to act before events overtake him is limited.
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fencelt on 15 May, 2012 at 23:22 said:
Poor soul ….. Can’t imagine how that must have been like……. LOL
toscanabhoy on 15 May, 2012 at 23:27 said:
I shaved my moustache……when rankers die. !!!!
Night all….BIG DAY TOMORROW
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on 15 May, 2012 at 21:52 said:
Emdae find out why big Dan wasnt there on Sunday??
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yes, he felt left out ‘cos he never went to St Augustine’s
I saw Danny scoring a couple of times. Once aginst Queen of the South (may have been Paul McStay’s debut) a less than spectacular effort still the look on Danny and Charlie Nicholas’ faces was priceless when the ball trickled over the line.
Safe to say Daniel had a scoring record comparable with another Celtic legend – Neil Lennon, no less!
Paul Hartley was clean shaven at kick off and had a beard by full time :-)
EstorilBhoy
Big Johannes.. Great.. Did big Roy Aitken not sport one for a season?
ok I admit I haven’t read up.
I dont know how it works.
Newco in the SPL next season.
Is it just the clubs that vote?
Why does one need a vote? Isn’t it against the rules?
Doesn’t Celtic participating in the Vote even for a “No” legitimize the vote?
Why are the huns allowed to vote? Isn’t that a conflict of interest.
So say it comes down to it.
Celtic, Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Ross County vote No (5)
Motherwell, Kilmarnock, St.Mirren, ICT, St. Johnstone, Newhuns vote yes (6)
Dundee Utd Mibbees aye mibbees naw.
Isn’t that enough for a No?
There would be a cave for sale @ circa 7.5k, about 125 sq mts, all the services.
Have you talked to yer Mammy yet ?
I went to St Columbas in Maryhill around 1969, was shipped of to Nazareth House in Aberdeen think around 1973.
Supporting Celtic in those days was very hard, cant begin to describe the abuse I used to get.
The day they are Liquidated will be the best day ever.
toscanabhoy,
a big part of my memory was how long between the ball hitting the net and the time it took for the goal to register, then again that may have just been me stunned at the event of Danny McGrain scoring.
TET,
any links to view
THE EXILED TIM
I’m determined not to lock myself into the system of medicating despite going into the age where most people need to take some sort of tablet/s.
My son was nearly asthmatic because of very lazy analysis.
The dumbing down is across the board, unfortunately, In my very limited opinion.
god bless and goodnight
‘crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ on 15 May, 2012 at 23:31 said:
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on 15 May, 2012 at 21:52 said:
Emdae find out why big Dan wasnt there on Sunday??
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yes, he felt left out ‘cos he never went to St Augustine’s
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LOL moment, thanks. Was St.Augustine’s an approved school?
Danny McGrain was the best fullback we ever had, genuinely world class.
He is also one of the nicest down to earth people on the planet.
I still think how lucky we were to keep such a great player.
I see the Rams Head in Maryhill getting a mention. There used to be nothing better than walking out of there after beating the Huns and seeing the mutants hanging about outside the First and Last.
St Columba Of Iona CSC.
Thanks 67 :-) My road was always full of rangers supporters buses when they were at home. I do remember going into Ibrox for the last 20 mins of their last home game of the 67/68 season. It was just like the Tommy Burns season 1995/6 where we were thrashing teams but they were scraping 1-0s. If they beat Aberdeen in this game then they’d probably win the league (and no 9 in a row) but they drew 2-2. My mates and I learned the knack of smug triumphalism masquerading as objective criticism of the deficiencies of the Huns. It was a relief to make it home and then roll about the floor laughing.
goldstar10
on 15 May, 2012 at 23:26
Met Willie Young the ref at the same event he was very good to talk to. He said he insisted that linesmen did make any class other than offside that he and he alone would make an other decisions including throw-ins.
Paul67 impressed him with his football knowledge…he impressed me too but don’t let Paul67 know l said that please.
Thanks for that Paul. Now I know why Scotland flopped so badly in Argentina,
Danny McGrain wasn´t there!!
He was a colossus for Scotland and even though he was played out of position to give Jardine a game he was always brilliant. I don´t think I´ve ever seen such a focussed player and such a force in a Scotland jersey, quite the opposite of King Kenny, although to paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of Dalglish underperforming for Scotland were greatly exaggerated.
With Bobby Lennox, Danny led the Celtic team in the post nine in a row years and helped usher in the new crop of Celtic youngsters like Tommy Burns, Roy Aitken and George McCluskey. His enthusiasm was infectious and as he ran his heart out every week his example was followed to the man and we saw a Celtic team that never gave up. He was always a big presence on the field of play. Great to see he is still so involved at the club.
Paul67
very chatty tonight – what could you possibly be celebrating on a Tuesday evening?
Have one for me!
VertWolf
I will mail U the link tomorrow.
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petec
Quite right.
It will help with asthma as well, in fact, it will help with just about every aillment under the sun.
Simple really, clean blood, good health.
Big Dan took a jaw break for us. I wasnt his biggest fan but if he’d been playin V Killie we’d av won!!
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 15 May, 2012 at 23:33 said:
toscanabhoy,
a big part of my memory was how long between the ball hitting the net and the time it took for the goal to register…
Absolutely!
I remember about 1 second of complete stunned silence. ‘worth the admission price for that alone’ being one of the sage comments that I heard.
I was very young, of course.
TET-The cave could be bought as a CQN Timeshare holiday home :}
tic1 on 15 May, 2012 at 23:23 said:
The Bisley was named after Bisley in Surrey which was the home of the National Rifle Shooting Centre. There apparently was a shooting range in the cellar, although I never actually got around to visiting that particular area. I have to admit that I did try out most other areas of the premises over the years. It was managed by the Hamill family for many years & indeed Sir Patrick Hamill , who went on to be Strathclyde’s Chief Constable, worked shifts there in his student days.
It’s a funny old world.
Petec,
Medication does wonders if you ‘fit in’ to the generic diagnosis which circa 80% of diagnosis correctly falls into. The problem is the remaining 20% is ‘fumbling in the dark’ from a diagnostic and prescriptive medication perspective, that’s when people suffer as processes and more ‘out of the box’ prescriptive medication are not considered.
Remedy is broader understanding/flexible solution of the 20% from a medicational cure perspective.
Night night to you all! Big day tomorrow! Good reminiscing tonight.
Folk say Danny was interviewed by george peat for the job as player manager of airdrie…..i think peat was put off because Danny asked some questions about peats recruitment policy….schools etc.
Im lucky enough to remember Danny’s last 5 or 6yrs of his playing days.
A true worldclass player and in my top 3 Celts ever.
In the order of seeing them…
Danny McGrain
Paul McStay
Henrik Larsson
Imagine those 3 playing together at their peak.
Bada Bing
Could do a lot worse btw.
A few K a pop, better than any time share thing, seriously worth thinking about.
Not the place to be if you want the night life tho, that’s why I moved here, quiet, hot, cheap night out, decent food, and totally hun free.
And they love their football.
A few brits about, but the ones who are left are ok, the chancers have all gone home to get their benefits.
Tis heaven on earth.
Petec
Dark Chocolate very good for lowering blood pressure.
Must be at least 70%, my daily fix is Lindt 85%, or Lindt 90% when I can find it.
Very low G.I. Index, very high in antioxidants.
And very gorgeous it is too.
THE EXILED TIM
My face was going red after eating crisps and other things. It was indeed a sign my blood pressure was up where it shouldn’t be.
I ate those things before and there wasn’t a visual problem.
I have campaigned Religiously on here about the dangers of Aspartame, every time a fit athlete dies, I link it to Aspartame.
Trust me, Monosodium Glutamate is harming all of us. I’m trying to find out if Gluten products are linked but theres not a lot of info…. yet.
The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 17:49 said:
TBB
Interesting: that argument had not occurred to me. I haven’t time to analyse the situation in detail tonight but after a quick look at the Articles and Rules of the SPL, while I understand why you say the above I don’t think it’s entirely clear that is the position.
Consider this:
In the ‘Interpretations’ section of the Articles, which sets out the defined terms used in both the Articles and Rules, ‘Club’ is defined as follows:
‘Member is defined as follows:
So far so clear.
Rule A 2.1 says:
So we are already contemplating a situation in which you can be a Member without being part of the league. Much less clear; in fact an entirely unsatisfactory situation. How do the Rules resolve it?
Rule A4 says:
What can we make of this? If RFC plc sells the Club to a NewCo (apologies to those who don’t like the term but it’s essential here to distinguish between the club and its owner), RFC plc “shall cease to be a member of the Company”, and shall also “relinquish its Ordinary Share”. But when do these things happen?
As we learned above, being a Member depends on holding a share in the Company (being The SPL Ltd). So when does RFC plc relinquish its share? Apparently, “at the end of the relevant Season”. Predictably, the Articles are silent on the meaning of ‘relevant Season’, but when a Member sells its Club during the close season, one could certainly argue that the previous season is the ‘relevant’ one. In other words, RFC plc would be deemed to be a Member with immediate effect.
It would be infinitely better if clause A4 had a ‘do not pass Go’ provision: the addition of “with immediate effect” after “member of the Company” would have done the job. I think its at least possible that a court would be willing to construe that phrase rather than legitimise the nonsense of a ex-football club becoming a key participant in a vote the SPL’s future.
Article 6 is also relevant:
Is a Member which is not entitled to hold a Share under Article 6 entitled to attend and vote at a General Meeting of the League? I think that is a rather shaky proposition. The phrase “Members entitled to attend and vote” is used elsewhere in the Articles (implying that a Member might not so entitled).
Finally, Article 15 is also highly suggestive, as it states that where a Member ceases to be entitled to participate in the League, and the Board requests it to transfer its share, it shall have “no rights in relation to that Share” from the date of the request. Unfortunately this clause is restricted to relegated clubs but as the Articles are silent on the situation of a Member which has lost its entitlement to participate by other reason, the argument could be advanced that RFC plc should be treated likewise.
None of this is conclusive; in the face of such incompetence in the drafting of the Articles and Rules, certainty is hard to find on all but the simplest of matters. Still, I believe there is enough here for a minority of clubs voting against the transfer of the RFC share to a NewCo to launch a robust legal challenge to that transfer, if the support of RFC was essential to the vote being carried.
Were that situation to arise, it is hard to believe that such a challenge would not be made; whether it would succeed must for now remain an open question.
crushed nuts @ 23.31
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TET-Sounds good mate ,HH.
night night,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWgsQhbaqU&feature=related
Evening CQN land. Whats the craic?
Just dropping in for my usual (as its becoming) late nightly slot.
Love reading all the accounts of the older celts of years gone by.
Helps paint the picture of them for us younger ;-) celts who never had the pleasure of seeing them play.
In very very annoying news, Lenny dropped into Paul’s House (Clic Sargent Home from Home for families to stay in when kids are in for cancer treatment) today in London along with Barry McGuigan, Eddie Jordan & Sharleen Spiteri to present a cheque for £50k on behalf of Celtic. This is the house we are staying in at the minute!!!!! I was away with wee oscar feeding the ducks in Regents Park at the time!! Doh!
Tell him to tip me of next time Paul67!!
Sutton’s Volley
Let someone else tell you how good Mcgrain was:
Hugh McIlvanney on Danny
“When great racehorse trainers talk about the best thoroughbreds, they emphasise not only talent but attitude. In addition to the obvious qualities of pace and skill that Danny brought to football, there was the priceless asset of his approach to the game. He encountered all kinds of problems through injury and difficulties with his health, but nothing could prevent him from being prodigious on the field.
“Anybody who saw him at his best had the unmistakeable impression of watching a great player, probably one who had no superior anywhere in the world.”
topkat
Danny took more abuse from the Airdrie stwan than he ever did at ibroke!! Heard Ballantyne got pelters from the fans at Ayr on Saturday re his fhund raising day up the shankhill!!