I don’t know if Scotland have ever worn a poppy but I suspect the SFA have been landed in this issue against their will by association with the FA in England. Fifa have indicated it is a political symbol and prohibited its attachment to football shirts. The FA and SFA plan to disregard that ruling and wear the poppy anyway.
Deliberately defying the rules is laced with Moral Hazard for the SFA, which will not be lost on the decision makers at Hampden. For years to come this act will be cited as evidence of double standards. It provides evidence for those who object to its very recent inclusion in football ceremony on the basis that politics should have no place in football.
Of course, declining to follow the FA’s lead would be a political act in itself, but one which fell within the rules.
I’m firmly of the belief that politics (as opposed to values) should have no place in football. I know this is a utopian aspiration, as sport and politics are inextricably linked, but only because trumpets continually insist on making them so.
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Nat King Cole
Which some of you are in desperate need of
G’night
FIFA have no particular problem with the poppy.
They do have a problem with any addition to the registered team kit.
Whether the message is deemed to be political or a personal ” I love mum”, even on a t shirt worn under the top, they do have a problem, if it is displayed.
We know, to our cost, that rules are rules.
We also know to our cost that the SFA have an ambivalent attitude towards rules.
Let’s see if FIFA can stand up to Mr.Regan!
Carnoustie Golfer
Have you ever been in the Ship Inn in Stonehaven, they have a fair few decent drams on offer, a few cost serious money, anyways, my other Grasnda used to own the Ship, he sold it in 1966, had a well deserved holiday, the first he ahd had in 20 odd years and promptly died, something to be said for working.
He was an officiado of good whiskey, I was told of a tasting night, my Da’s uncle was a great whiskey drinker and thot he was the beez neez, thot he knew everything about the stuff, thot he could tell what whiskey was what, so they has the tasting, a blondfold obviously.
Ten whiskeys on the bar, mixed in was a glass of milk, a glass of water and a glass of beer alang with seven decent whiskeys, he got the first three right, got waylayed at the milk, he was sober btw, another couple correct and the water threw him, he thot is was beer, I have heard this story so may times I could tell it word for word.
Last time I was i the Ship I had a dram that cost £315, It was Ok, but imo was worth about the cost of a normal everyday dram imo, maybes the Guinness didny help :-)
Take care Bro
HH
AN TEARMANN @ 1:30 PM,
Hope all’s good…
I believe that Stewart Regan was talking about the – International Football Association Board (Ifab).
It is an anachronistic body that still passes the Laws on Association Football. It comprises the four British FAs who jointly have 50% voting rights and Fifa who have the other 50%.
So Mr Regan is infact saying… we make the rules, so don’t tell us we need to keep to them.
This, do as I say, not as I do attitude strikes me, like Paul suggests, as a Moral Hazard nightmare.
Or as they say at the SFA – Business as Usual.
Hail Hail
THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 11:29 PM
FIFA have no particular problem with the poppy.
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As Prime Ministress May said in Parliament.
Maybe F.I.F.A. should get their own house in order.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/poppy-symbol-of-racism-never-worn-one-never-will-robert-fisk-remembrance-day-first-world-war-second-a7394976.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-do-those-who-flaunt-the-poppy-on-their-lapels-know-that-they-mock-the-war-dead-6257416.html
Carnoustie Golfer
For sure, the car will be getting ITV’d a few days afore and I will be thinking about what to get the wife for Christmas, I need help, a few years ago it was a Hoover and she was delighted with it, she loves hoovering, she has a good hoover, she has a good everything else, so Help……
HH
As a Tim I’m just glad that the remembrance weekend falls on an international break.
WHAT IS THE STARS on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 11:37 PM
Thanks , WITS.
That includes the May speech I was referring to.
I never knew there was an ‘o’ in counts.
Hail hail
Matt
peKing duck
Princes tuna (in brine)
bROYALed steak
Viscount biscuit (like monarchs they’re minted)
Pass the duchy (on the left hand side)
Lordi
Kaiser Soze
Caeser salad
Barron Knights
Macjay
I like Fisk,his book The Great War for Civilisation should be compulsory reading ……
anyhow his take on poppies
As a young boy, I also went to Ypres with my Dad, stayed at the “Old Tom Hotel” (it is still there, on the same side of the square as the Cloth Hall) and met many other “old soldiers”, all now dead. I remember that they wanted to remember their dead comrades. But above all, they wanted an end to war. But now I see these pathetic creatures with their little sand-pit poppies – I notice that our masters in the House of Commons do the same – and I despise them. Heaven be thanked that the soldiers of the Great War cannot return today to discover how their sacrifice has been turned into a fashion appendage
ACGR, I’m well Mick, employed, I’ll not say working, noticed the rocket tuggin his forelock….
Bma..
CQN favourite royals,
That Nigerian Prince whose paying all that money into my bank account.
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 11:35 PM
Mrs.May has no authority to speak about anyone.
The High Court put a spanner in her attempt to neuter her own Parliament.
FIFA allow themselves to be bullied by the FA and SFA, then they are finished.
What could happen is that FIFA abolish the cosy IFB, which could spell the end of the four home associations.
Now, wouldn’t that be a Carlsberg event.
Lest they forget
http://i.imgur.com/G1aBY.jpg
WITS.
An initiative by a Canadian.
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/how-we-remember/the-story-of-the-poppy/
In the spring of 1915, shortly after losing a friend in Ypres, a Canadian doctor, Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae was inspired by the sight of poppies growing in battle-scarred fields to write a now famous poem called ‘In Flanders Fields’. After the First World War, the poppy was adopted as a symbol of Remembrance.
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Every symbol can be abused or misused by the jingoists .
On ALL sides.
Can I understand the feelings of Irishmen who resent the imposition of the poppy.
Of course I can.
Can others understand the feelings of those who wish to commemorate their war dead in this way?
You would hope so.
It should be the decision of each individual.
For god`s sake , that was what the poor barstewards were supposed to be fighting for.
Including all your Irish brothers.
My Favourite Royal…
Or as we call him Great, Great, Great…………………………….Great Grandad;)
– Domnall Ua Lochlainn.
– Domnall son of Ardgar son of Lochlann, over-king of Ireland, pre-eminent among the Irish in form and lineage, in sense and valour, in happiness and prosperity, in giving valuables and food, died inDaire Coluim Cille in the thirty-eighth year of his reign, the seventy-third year of his age, on Wednesday night, the fourth of the Ides – 10 February 1121 – and the eighteenth of the moon, the feast of Mo-Chuarócthe wise.
Hail Hail the Celts are here…
For a boy that does not really do a great deal when he plays 1st team football,Liam henderson has some amount of admirers.Nothing against the boy,I really hope he makes it,but with the loans and experience he has,cant really be classed a kid.Would have thought he would be a first team regular,or pushing to be,by now.At the moment,he would totally be out of his depth in Europe.Afraid it does not bode well for the guy.
Being a Tim,does not make you a first team choice.This is not Ibrox,and Huns.
Wan King……….
Bma.
MACJAY1 @ 11:55 PM,
Hope all’s good.
Just a quick question…
Do you think the English and Scottish National teams should wear Poppy’s at Wembley?
Hail Hail
TET, I can bring the lovely Mrs TET a coupla sausages for her chrismas. Speshul wans from Dumfries. Auld JJ will testify to the sausagness. Problem solved.
Clean up yer sclaff bats.
I have been in the Ship. When I lived in Montose we had raiding parties up the coast to Stonehaven, Gourdon, Inverbervie and Johnshaven (and St Cyrus, the guy that owned the pub in the late eighties was on the run from the loyal side of the N.I. situation at the time). I cant remember much about those places except that I had some great times. I did like the wee pub in Johnshaven for a dram.
HH
HH
THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 11:50 PM
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 11:35 PM
Mrs.May has no authority to speak about anyone.
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Don`t quite follow that .
I think she has more authority to speak than anyone elected by the Star Chamber of the corrupt FIFA organisation
For me ,the unspoken but real pressure on individuals to wear the poppy is simply another example of political correctness.
Celtic will make lots of poppy from the CL this year.
CHAIRBHOY on 4TH NOVEMBER 2016 12:02 AM
MACJAY1 @ 11:55 PM,
Hope all’s good.
Just a quick question…
Do you think the English and Scottish National teams should wear Poppy’s at Wembley?
Hail Hail
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Under no circumstances should they be forced to wear a poppy.
Nor should they be subjected to discrimination by the authorities should they decide not to.
What supporters decide to do , however would be an example of their freedom of choice to condemn a player who exercises his right not to wear the poppy.
Macjay1,
OK, I’ll try again.
Mrs.May telling FIFA to put it’s own house in order, on the day that she has been stopped from undermining her own House,wherein she presides as the unelected PM.
Irony or what?
The rest of my post should be self explanatory.
Pig Poppy of Islay, just to restore a bit of balance to me ripping the pish out of you earlier. Both my grandfathers fought in WW2 as did my great uncle. All were Navy men, coming from Glasgow, two royal and one on merchant Atlantic convoys . My Wife also has relatives who fought in the war. One of her uncles was a para and was in some shit places. He was at Arnhem, and in Germany in 45 when the camps were being discovered.
She wears a poppy, I don’t. We respect each other’s opinion and don’t get upset about it, although I’m thinking of locking her in the tool shed five days a week now.
Hope your team finish top six and Joey scores the winner to get there.
HH bruv
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 3rd November 2016 11:18 pm
A Head of State doing what she done. Powerful.
She gave a wee nudge to the Brexit.
If a Person CAN’T Forgive?
LOL.
Fightclub.RSCFC
She has the Worst Job EVER. The Word is being Ripped to Shreds, helped by Useful Idiots and I Class the really Progressives as ??????
Caught between the twisted stars
The poppy lines the faulty map
That brought Columbus to New York
Brexit between the East and West
He calls on her wearing a leather vest
The earth squeals and shudders to a halt
A diamond crucifix in his ear
Is used to help ward off the fear
That he has left his soul in someone’s rented car
THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 4TH NOVEMBER 2016 12:13 AM
Macjay1,
OK, I’ll try again.
Mrs.May telling FIFA to put it’s own house in order, on the day that she has been stopped from undermining her own House,wherein she presides as the unelected PM.
Irony or what?
The rest of my post should be self explanatory.
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But she WAS elected by the members of her own party in the time honoured tradition of her party in the House of Commons.
The Mother of Parliaments.
If you have concerns about the method used by the Conservative Party after the resignation of the previous incumbent to elect its new leader , then do you have any comment about the election of Comrade Corbyn ?
I would hope you would have the consistency to express your concerns in that regard.
ACGR @ OUTLOOK DOT COM – WITH A RINGPIECE LIKE A FLANDERS POPPY on 4TH NOVEMBER 2016 12:17 AM
Brilliant.
Individual choice.
Agree to disagree.
The Fallen One has Incredible intelligence, the Thick Fecker actually Believed he could become the Most High.
I’m looking forward to the Massive Cheer the Bhoys will get when they Enter the Arena on Saturday.
Brexit and poppies. Same shite.
pseudo corporate respect for no one under the auspices that someone somewhere died for something that your govt dont really give a rats vagina about. Your country. Otherwise they wouldnt do it again and they did and they will. Watch.
Some interesting points tonight. Celtic is such a broad church of opinion and that is the way it should be. Everyone has their own perspective and whether we agree or not- it is their perspective. Thankfully the one thing that unites us all is our love of the Hoops.
If you have a moment please take a look at my latest thought from Down Under.
https://stayinguplateblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/04/no-slip-ups-please/
PETEC on 4TH NOVEMBER 2016 12:28 AM
Thanks , mate.
Individuals pick their side and feel obligated to run with the pack.
The huns love the Queen.
Therefore I must hate the Queen.
OR , the huns determine my attitude .
That will never happen.
About anything.
MARGARET MCGILL on 4TH NOVEMBER 2016 12:46 AM
Was that original ?
Interesting . Tho` some obscure references.
Just watching the replay of today’s Man U game …. 500 million pounds sure doesn’t buy what it used to …. pretty poor fare
I hope this is true
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/brendan-rodgers-dembele-will-attract-more-talent-to-celtic-1-4277545