Here’s how it works. Celtic tell agents the profile of players they are looking for, who subsequently send their client’s CVs and DVDs back. If one fits the profile (for example: a central defender, with pace, wage budget £X, transfer budget £Y), then he is retained for consideration.
Some retained for consideration make it onto ‘the list’. Celtic actively pursue these players, usually more than one per requirement, as they know how deals can fall through. If players start to drop off the list, either because they have not performed to standard when scouted, or Celtic’s approach is declined, names are added to the list from those retained for consideration.
That ‘retained for consideration’ folder generates more advertising revenue than anything else in football. Lots of people are incentivised to link a name to Celtic (or many other clubs). The agent can legitimately tell a journalist he’s spoken to Celtic about a player, the journalist can then trail the transfer saga for weeks, its rise, climax and last minute hitch, will generate millions of hits. This is called Click Bait, you are the target.
Consider the near certainty of the reporting that Jelle Vossen was about to sign for Celtic. The Genk striker matches Celtic’s criteria in several areas: he’s a striker, they will be able to afford his wages and transfer fee, they have received information on him. Hundreds of articles have been written on this basis alone, generating thousands of pounds of advertising revenue.
The problem is, Jelle Vossen isn’t on ‘the list’. His CV is stuck in a folder somewhere at Lennoxtown, not currently under consideration. Celtic are not actively pursuing his services.
Danny Wilson? Never made it onto the list. His agent got a courteous response “months ago” when first asked if there was interest. Danny’s CV is in the same folder Jelle’s is in. When I spoke to a senior source at the club yesterday, the player is so far off radar, the source couldn’t even remember Wilson’s name when I asked about Celtic being rejected in favour of a newco.
The PR behind the message sent out with Wilson’s signing was inspired. Some of the reporting was shameful. The days of being able to twist a story against Celtic without consequence are gone. The BBC recanted one story (at the insistence of reporter Alasdair Lamont). Sky Sports News gave Neil McCann a stage for utter guff on Wilson rejecting Celtic, while much of the print and online media quickly moved on, not caring one way or the other.
The episode reminded me of the almost universal line the media took the day Neil Lennon resigned – unhappy at Celtic’s transfer budget, apparently. This message was never attributed but it was reported so widely, you could trace the manipulation. We even had the Usual Brigade of ex-Celts ready to express their disappointment at the club’s financial decisions. Economic illiterates, to a man. The story was nonsense and almost certainly came from the same source as Wilson’s rejection.
There are strikers on Celtic’s list, but if the agent’s talking to the media, chances are, he’s not talking to Celtic anymore.
Here’s a Bob Dylan singing Like a Rolling Stone, especially for Neil McCann. How does it feel………?
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Greenpinata
At the risk of getting involved in another of those circular arguments:-
“We have all showed our disagreement with playing one up front, a dubious substitution, incorrect tactics or an actual or perceived lack of effort. ( it does or used to happen )”
I presume those are separate options whereby we are all guilty of something on the list because, I know many Celts, who are quite comfortable with one up front, and don’t care if it is an alleged midfielder, defender or utility man who knocks in the goals. The important thing is the preponderance of the end product not the label on the source of the end product.
Anybody who sits next to most of us will hear our complaints, anxieties and dissatisfactions- agreed!, hands up! guilty!- However, many of us have never had the desire to let the players or the wider crowd around me know about these by raising our voices or trying to get an orchestrated negative reaction from those around us.
“How should supporters display thier dissatisfaction or disappointment.? Stay away . Never.
Should we clap and cheer when we think the opposite?”
Well, there are other alternatives. If you consider that you must register your disappointment because somebody had a bad game and you thought or perceived that it was due to a lack of effort, then you could wait till after the game to provide feedback. That way you do not affect the player(s) confidence so that they are less likely to recover AND you save yourself the embarrassment of targeting your favourite scapegoat after 5 minutes of the match who turns out to be the second half saviour with a hat trick (saw it happen to Naka once).
One of the things that sticks largest in the memory of my time growing up with Celtic, was the behaviour of the crowd. The jungle was no collection of happy clappers and, indeed, there was a lot of behaviour there that you could not commend but, I will assert to my dying day, that the universal reaction to Celtic going a goal down was to redouble the efforts to support the team and get them back in the game. They knew, even when individual players like Tommy Callaghan or Harry Hood, got a bit of criticism for aspects of their game, they would never get on the players backs and destroy their confidence and ability to contribute, which both players did mightily to our period of true success.
The Jungle fans seemed to know instinctively what people need to be told now by opposition players, which is, that the sound of booing or loud complaints and nervousness, from the home crowd at CP, adds motivation, energy and commitment to their task.
In short, it supports the opposition and not the team we are supposed to favour, which, I’m sure, is not the intention.
The alternative is not to stay away from CP but is to remain a voluble SUPPORTer and reserve your dissatisfactions to quiet asides with your mates or wait till the game is ended and you cannot damage your team.
Cheers Proudbhoy
Looking forward to it
Green Man – I’m not really an anti board ranted but the messages remind me of being in an Airport getting constant 20 Minute delayed messages when you know fine well the ‘Cancelled’ sign is certain to appear.
Hi fellow CQNrs,
I need to ask you all for 5 minutes of your time to help a kids playpark project in my home village of Portpatrick secure a grant of £25,000 from the One Family charity. I’m not looking for donations, just a small amount of your time to cast your vote for “Euan’s playspace” on the One Family website.
Euan was a lovely wee 4 year old boy from Portpatrick. He loved playing outdoors and as a result the whole village knew him. He was a very outgoing little guy and charmed everyone who met him. A real child of the village.
However tragedy struck early this year. In January he was rushed to hospital with septicaemia and the doctors were unable to save him. His parents and big brother were devastated, the whole village was distraught.
There was a service for him in the village hall and to say there was standing room only doesn’t do credit to the numbers.
It is difficult for people to move on from something so horrible but Euan’s parents have started a campaign to build a playpark in Portpatrick in his memory.
The campaign has already raised a lot of money. The playpark project has now been entered into a competition to win £25,000 of funding from the One Family Foundation.
It’s a fairly simple process – the community project with the most votes wins the funding. Here is where you guys come in. If you could log into the One Family website and vote for Euan’s playspace that would really help the project get over the line in first place.
It will only take 5 minutes of your time and if your vote helps a small village come to terms with the death of a beautiful wee boy it would be all worth it. You can access the One Family website here….
https://foundation.onefamily.com/projects/euans-play-space/
The only reason I am asking is that I have been reading CQN since 2006 (and posting occasionally) and I’ve seen you do amazing things for charity. I used to go by the name Portpatrick Bhoy but changed to Craiginho to be a bit less recognisable. Think I’ll change back as I’ll always be a Portpatrick Bhoy. Thanks for taking the time to read this and thanks even more if you do take the time to vote.
Cheers
Craiginho (formerly Portpatick Bhoy)
Bada Bing
Haste ye back
you have been missed.
Sydney Tim
I think the scenario will be as follows:
Don’t spend in an effort to generate millions.
If it works, take the plaudits, if it doesn’t, hide from the supporters.
In other words, the usual CL gamble.
Boooo
HH
jinkyredstar
Yeah…its like when you get the first four numbers up in the lottery, and for a fleeting microsecond you believe you will be the king of the world, only to discover subsequently that your dream only amounted to £ 13.85.
Disappointment doesn’t quite describe it:)
HH
Green man
Agree with you. But this season it could cost our club 30m in income
A sackable offence
Canamalar
18:37 on
25 June, 2015
Trad..,
I’d just like to echo cowiebhoys comment :)
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He wasn’t talking to me…
HH
” Huv they signed Scodd Allaninho yit?”
Can see people already talking about the “gamble”
Celtic have only lost 1 started who has already been replaced. Ronny has everything he needs for the qualifiers.
While the club is likely to be trying to sign more players, the market is the market and the majority of transfers will happen towards the end of the window like a domino effect. We are caught in that.
Sydney Tim
The board blew it last year with their blatant ineptitude.
I really hope Ronny is trying to teach them something about football.
And I hope they don’t start unveiling their projects again.
Buy a few players….and let the manager get on with it.
HH
Hrvatski Jim – thanks for the giggle :-)
Craiginho
Vote cast, good luck with the project.
It is the Transfer Window after all.
Are we not permitted to speculate wildly?
Get a grip.
C,mon Peter…2 buys, and 2 loans.
The fans demand it:)
HH
timaloy29
09:34 on 26 June, 2015
Correct
Alarm fixed, I away for a wee snooze now :-)
The Transfer Window….has been smashed.
A big bhoy called Peter done it, then ran away.
HH
C’mon Peter, give us a wave! Sorry, a striker!
Kev J
LOVE :)))
Craiginho,
Happy to have voted.
Cowiebhoy.. did you get the alarm sorted ? wee pal of mine is an alarm engineer. can pass on his details if u want ? he is a sevcont.. so he might get u a new alarm and then claim its still the same one.
let me know
Green man
The problem is If we gamble just a little ( and we can afford it) and CL income comes in , then PL bonus does not increase , he got max last year year due to cash in bank
That is the main issue. PL knows league is won and 40k season tickets in place
He knows if he keeps a steady boat financially his bonus comes in , forget what happens in park
This is his last chance with the fans
Fail and he has to go
FFS – Will the SNP gullibles on here be organizing bucket collections at CP to fill the £10 billion plus, ‘black-hole,in the event of FFA?
There will then be a GENUINE need for HYPER FOODBANKS.
Glibby McShameless
Welcome to the madhouse,
heard from a friend of mine whos customer was allegedly in the same room as D Park after a game and Mr Park was commenting something about the “glib and shameless liar” leaving him holding a baby :))))).
Murdochbhoy, Emeraldbee,
Thanks guys. The poll closes on Monday and the project is neck and neck for first place. I’m hoping CQN can swing it.
Cheers,
Craiginho
Sydney Tim – Do you know what the phrase ‘economic illiterates’ quoted by Paul above means?
SFTB,
If I may say so, you have cherry picked the points to contest.
Let’s take off the rose tinted specs that Kev J has loaned you. Many of us used to frequent the “jungle” and watched or attempted to watch the games the games through an alcoholic haze. The amount of empties at the end of the game would pay testimony to that.
While the jungle was a great place at the time it would never meet the criteria for watching football in the modern era.
It could be argued that the tern green Hun ( which was the crux of the initial question) could have been applied to the not so infrequent gangfights with subsequent bottle throwing.
Nothing must have been more demoralising to our players than to watch large gaps opening up in the terracing as our fans fought with each other.
As you correctly state there was a lot of behavioural issues to contemplate. I for one never want to see our kids attending a match wearing painted crash helmets, and all the cheering in the world doesn’t negate that fact or make it retrospectively correct.
If some of our players cannot handle constructive criticism from their paying public then perhaps they are in the wrong game.
Most people react positively to criticism ( within reason ) and strive to do better, and I would question the aptitude of those who give up.
Finally I simply cannot accept that you should store your feelings and discuss them later. Any emotion is spontaneous. Football is emotional and if we lose that then we all may as well watch games on the laptop.
HH to you.
Hide….its the angry Labour man.
You are far too clever for everybody….we better all be quiet.
Seriously!
Thompson twin
It’s spin for don’t spend any money. Sell you top players and have a healthy bank balance at AGM. All to ensure PL bonus is maximised
Meanwhile fans are talking about reducing stadium capacity as 20k fans have been lost due to PL
But he ho. Peters pension is growing
Do you remember us being humilated in the qualifiers by teams who have a fraction of our turnover
Most teams in our qualifiers have a fraction of our turnover. But they are run as football clubs
I see the official site has us playing AWAY the first leg on Wednesday 15th. I thought we were at home first?
thompsontwin take a chill pill and stop trolling. By all means have your opinions but leave out the personal stuff.
Oops, naw it doesn’t, according to the club statement, though it does have it on the ‘list’ of first team fixtures as away against ‘Celtic’ which would be fun.
Sorry for any panic.
ThompsonTwin
Wind yer neck in Stalin.
Ronny Deila plays the “fall guy ” when we all know it was Peter Lawwell`s fault.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/legia-warsaw-vs-celtic-ronny-delia-admits-stupid-mistakes-cost-hoops-as-champions-league-hopes-hang-by-a-thread-9639091.html
Wednesday dates for Celtic’s Champions League kick-off
By: Newsroom Staff on 26 Jun, 2015 09:58
CELTIC’S dates and kick-off times for the UEFA Champions League second round qualifiers against Icelandic champions Stjarnan FC have been confirmed.
The first leg at Celtic Park will go ahead on Wednesday, July 15 with a 7:45pm kick-off time, while the away leg in Iceland will take place on Wednesday, July 22 and that kicks off at 7:15pm local time.
Thimpsontwin
Away and chase Roberto Rastapopoulos and pit yer widden spin away
And now they’ve changed it on the ‘list’. Someone’s obviously been on the ole CQN and got the heads-up!
Macjay. All he got from lawell was a Norwegian with a pony tail who was not good enough for cardiff
It was a insult to the fans