So the chief executive of the appellate body awaiting a decision to appeal says, “It’s crucial with league reconstruction being such an important issue for the game that we now draw a line under what’s happened”.
According to the SPL Commission the president of that same appellate body was one of the “directors of Oldco [which]must bear a heavy responsibility” for what happened.
Responsibility, however, is an unnecessary concept for the chief executive of the appellate body, who told the media “It’s not about trying to find scapegoats to take responsibility for what’s happened in the last 12 months.”
Note use of language, those responsible are now “scapegoats”.
Scapegoat, def: A person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.
Let’s not look for scapegoats. Instead let’s stick to who Lord Nimmo Smith’s Commision blame, “the directors of Oldco”. Including the appellate body’s president.
The appellate body is unfit as an appellate body and as a football association. SPL clubs must look for a new playing environment. Let the SFA and SFL run the grassroots game. They appear to want this anyway and I am sure SPL clubs will flourish when no longer restricted to opposition from Scotland.
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Awe naw
I’m with you on this
But sevco winning the SPL, in three years …bollox
Only if we’ve left
Eurochamps
Read again!
I have not given in. I have read the official documents.
Pre-LNS I was full of the same stuff. They will be pronounced officially dead this time surely. But no, yet again, a “learned legal mind of unimpeachable integrity”, has confirmed the duality between club and company, indeed he went as far as to fine the dead company to prove they were still separate from the existing club.
Given in??? Really??
It does not matter one jot whether we, as Celtic fans, proclaim them dead and refuse to recognise them. I’ve been doing just that since last Valentine’s Day and I will continue to do it because it is great fun.
But it does not become official because you and I say so anymore than it was official when Sevco fans were stating they had 140 unbroken years. We are the Lord Astor’s in this situation. We can be dismissed with the famous scathing riposte of Mandy Rice Davies – “Well, we would say that. Wouldn’t we?”
What matters for me, for the history books and for the views held in the wider world is what the official record shows.
In a few weeks time, all those official bodies are going to record their 55th title win. I will continue to proclaim the opposite but, until the official bodies pay due regard to honesty and the facts, the real world is going to think differently than you and I.
We need to get the official record overturned before we win this one. If you think I have given in on this, you are well wrong. But the battle will not be won by you and I pretending otherwise.
Awe Naw
I thought you were still talking of the shares ! Took me a minute to realise what you were saying . Once I did, the perverse logic made me smile 0:-).
JJ
*the king vic 67*
18:50 on
3 March, 2013
awe_naw_no_annoni_oan_anaw_noo
18:43 on
3 March, 2013
Thanks for the suggestions!
Would any CQNers be interested in meeting up to create an article that we can present to P67 for his magazine?
Don’t know if I would be much help but if you want , count me in .
HH
Josh my grandson scored his first goal for Celtic today. Crackin header from 10yds. He had the number 5 strip on just like big Billy!! Won 2 nil v a very good St Mirren side.
HaiL HaiL
Here are all the players who are out of contract at the end of the season in Scotland.
Some have already left and some have signed bosman’s already.
Not much to get worried about but quite a few who would walk to Sevco without much prompting.
Aberdeen
Isaac Osbourne, Jason Brown, Gary Naysmith, Russell Anderson, Chris Clark, Gavin Rae, Rory Fallon, Rob Milsom, Josh Magennis, Mitch Megginson, Ryan Fraser, Danny Rogers.
Celtic
Paddy McCourt, Thomas Rogne.
Dundee
Brian Easton, Gary Irvine, Stephen O’Donnell, Mark Kerr, John Baird, Kevin McBride, Jim McAlister, Mark Stewart, Ryan Conroy, Nicky Riley, Neil McGregor, Steven Milne, Iain Davidson, Matt Lockwood, Carl Finnegan, Davide Grassi, Kyle Benedictus, Rab Douglas, Jamie McCluskey, Declan Gallagher, Martin Boyle, Graham Webster, Alex Baird.
Dundee United
Jon Daly, Willo Flood, Barry Douglas, Steve Banks.
Hearts
Andy Webster, Andy Driver, Darren Barr, Marius Zaliukas, Danny Grainger, Ryan McGowan, Dylan McGowan, Scott Robinson, Arvydas Novikovas, Kevin McHattie, Gordon Smith, Brad McKay, Dale Carrick, Jack Hamilton, Fraser Mullen.
Hibs
David Wotherspoon, Lewis Stevenson, Ivan Sproule, Alan Maybury, Eoin Doyle, Pa Kujabi, Shefki Kuqi, Gary Deegan, Danny Galbraith, Sean Murdoch.
Inverness
Nick Ross, Andrew Shinnie, Owain Tudur-Jones, Aaron Doran, Shane Sutherland, David Raven, Gavin Morrison, Ross Draper, Antonio Reguero, Gary Warren, Scott Mathieson.
Kilmarnock
Cammy Bell, Liam Kelly, Mohamadou Sissoko, Borja Perez, Garry Hay, James Dayton, Anssi Jaakkola, Ryan O’Leary, Danny Racchi, Kyle Letheren, William Gros.
Motherwell
Jamie Murphy, Michael Higdon, Darren Randolph, Tom Hateley, Steven Saunders, Nicky Law, Chris Humphrey, Omar Daley, Robert McHugh, Simon Ramsden, Zaine Francis-Angol.
Ross County
Richard Brittain, Michael Fraser, Grant Munro, Paul Lawson, Mark Brown, Scott Boyd, Mihael Kovacevic, Iain Vigurs, Marc Fitzpatrick, Rocco Quinn, Stuart Kettlewell, Mark Fotheringham, Mark Corcoran, Sam Morrow, Alex Cooper, Steven Ross.
St Johnstone
Murray Davidson, Craig Beattie, Dave MacKay, Liam Craig, Chris Millar, Rowan Vine, Callum Davidson, Kevin Moon, David McCracken, David Robertson, Gary Miller, Frazer Wright, Pat Cregg, Jonny Tuffey, Alan Mannus, Jamie Adams, Liam Caddis, Zander Clark.
St Mirren
Paul McGowan, Steven Thompson, Gary Teale, Craig Samson, David van Zanten, Marc McAusland, Graham Carey, Sam Parkin, Chris Smith, Graeme MacGregor.
So Sevco will win the SPL within 3 years.
Bollocks.
The huns like the banks were deemed to big to fail.
Corruption is everywhere.
Celtic just need to keep getting better on the field where it
matters,especially in Europe.
If we are still in Europe after Christmas for the next couple of
years whether in the champs league or europa thats progress.
Hump the Zombies when they return.
Sad to see respected posters on here raising the white flag.
Neil Francis Lennon will not be losing sleep about the living
dead returning.
Let’s Hope That The Celtic Board Get Over The Initial Shock At The Ludicrously Flawed Finding Of The Nimmo Smith Ludge Committee…
I Don’t Think That They Can Afford To Wait….
Looking Around For Support From Other Clubs….
They Need To Take The Initiative….
Making Clear That They Are Not Satisfied With The Judgement…..
And Will Fight To See Justice Done…
They Should Make The Statement Co-Inciding With The Scottish Cup SF Draw..
Lawwell Should Be Alongside NL….
When He Is Interviewed On His Reaction To The Draw…
And Lawwell Should Take The Opportunity To Make The Statement….
We Need To Do It Now….
To Gain Maximal Exposure Across The Football World….
In The Build-Up To The Juve Tie….
There Is No Time To Procrastinate….
This Must Be The First Blow In Our Campaign To Achieve Justice….
John Reid Is No Longer Our CEO….
But Surely He Can Still Act As A Spokesman On Our Behalf…..
After All….The Huns Have Defrauded The British Taxpayer Of Tens Of Millions……
On HIS Watch….
He Owes Us…..
And He Already Has Guaranteed Personal Security In Public Life..
Anybody Seen The Lesser Spotted Bankier Recently..?
Perhaps…With Our Trip To Italy Upon Us
We Should See To Raise Awareness Of The GA Fielding Players Who May Not Have Been Appropriately Registered For UEFA Competitions….
Particularly In The 2008 Europa Competition….
Where They Drew 0-0 With Fiorentina..
And Went Through 4-2 In The Penalty Shoot-Out…
With Ratboy Novo Scoring The Winning Penalty…
Setting The Scene For The Sack Of Manchester….
Perhaps One Of Our Italian-Based Posters Could Go On The Fiorentina Fan-Website..
And Do A Bit Of Agitation….
Match Report : Fiorentina V Huns 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7372080.stm.
Che
20:25 on 3 March, 2013
&
Ernie
I am in agreement with Ernie,if the African fails come through the conclave,I believe that we could still see a Pope from the developing counties,Mexico or the Philippines hopefully same end game.
The female solution,some time in the next millennium perhaps,so i am afraid that the windows in the Vatican will have to remain manky.
Hail,Hail.
SFA Presidential Regalia
Yaasssss, tap 300……get in there…..
Of that list – Hately, Shinnie, Davidson and Bell are stick on Sevcovians.
ops countries not counties,
Just to say I will be renewing my season ticket. Will not let anything deter me from going to Celtic Park which I have been doing now for nigh on 50 years.
Some people post clever posts saying why they wont – fair enough – I’m no clever with words but feel the need to say that the statement from the club plus Neal’s comments tells me the club understands the situation and how we, the fans feel.
That’s good enough for me, yes I wish more pressure could be brought to bear on the cheats but it won’t stop me supporting my Celtic.
The thing about the Zombies is that Chuck & his backer’s prime interest is in making money. They are not dyed in the wool Huns, the backers are not even football men. They will work to the tightest Budget re numbers of players employed and wages paid. If they pay peanuts they will get monkeys. If we stay solid behind the Celts we can dominate them for years. “Tell every Hun you know, Its going to be ten in a row”.
The fear I have is that one day our board will get into joint sponsorship with CHEAT FC again.
After all that has went on they still refused to rule it out at the AGM.
My love for the club grows as does my interest in what the board do.
Someone said earlier they have nothing to lose by standing up and coming out against cheating,
I will go further and say they may even gain some fans.
Many people outwith Glasgow tar us with the same brush,COME OUT AND TELL THE WORLD WE ARE NOT “O*DFI*M”.
WE ARE CELTIC and will never be connected again with corrupt lying cheats.
I dont know how tied the boards hands are but to me and the rest of the footballing world that would be a massive step.
Eurochamps
“Now, I understand your fears that Sir no surname etc will ride in on their white charger and set all things to right in the great Hun fiefdom, but what evidence have you to assert so?”
You think I am scared of Walter. I would love it if they brought him back. I specifically said, Money Men. Now Walter made a few bob from EBTs but he is not going to turn Sevco around.
It is men like Jim McColl, who were willing to get on board but not willing to risk the opprobrium of a tax scandal or a fraud investigation. Once both those hurdles are negotiated, they will feel free to back Sevco without embarrassment and they will do so from a position of strength whilst we continue to pay our tax debts that they escaped.
The whole Fakeover is based on the premise of finding a way to get David Murray selling Rangers without losing more money than he needed to and leaving Rangers in a position to prosper. The 1 or 2 years left for them to negotiate promotions to the top flight will hurt them but not cripple them and, once they are back, they will get serious financial backing.
Do you really think all of this was done to let them limp along ineffectively as an also ran club? If you entertain any such thoughts, you are going to do more harm to Celtic than my so-called defeatism.
If we are going to win this war, we need to scout our enemy’s strengths and weakness. No bombast that any Celt is worth 10 of them is going to give us any advantage.
We need to tackle the official record and the official record keepers, nothing less will do.
We have been told long enough- “do not interrupt our enemy when they are making mistakes”. Well just look what those mistakes and our inaction has brought us to.
jude2005 is neil lennon \o/
Brilliant mate , pass on my congratulations to your grandson Josh .
HH
Did Paul McBride not help with the SFA rules ?
Fergus McC said something along the lines of and I paraphrase, the only way I will come back into football is if it is to change the footballing authorities, or something like that. Maybe someone can find the quote. I think his time may have come. Can we send a batman style cqn badge light into the sky or maybe someone has his number? If not then obviously Celtic have lawyers, it’s time for them to earn their crust or leave the payroll.
Please excuse punctuation, spelling and erm… side letters?
hen1rik
20:44 on 3 March, 2013
Did Paul McBride not help with the SFA rules ?
It’s the application of the rules that is the problem.
Hail Hail.
Burghbhoy
Big Jans wrote many a book.
His book of memoirs is particularly interesting Thoughts and Musings after Hinging up ma Sword
The chapter about how he slew an army of orcs single handedly and then led the mighty tribe of Thims to became rulers of all Splhellia is my favourite.
Hail Hail
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/
Magic news bud.
Give Josh the regards of the shawhead Bhoys :))
You know what sticks in the throat most is that sheer hypocrisy of the statement by murray alst week.
“The imposition of an irrecoverable fine on an entity which is now in liquidation is futile and only prejudices the ability of existing creditors to recover any money”
So all of a sudden he is concerned about the creditors.
Maybe he could ask Nuno Capocci to pay the £40 to the face painter from his share of the EBT
Scumbags
leftclicktic
“The fear I have is that one day our board will get into joint sponsorship with CHEAT FC again.”
Are you satisfied with our current arms-length sponsorship separation?
I have been told that our Cider brand sponsor and theirs are owned by the same Trading Group.
SFTB
Glad you have not given in.
However, you state, ” in a few weeks all the official bodies will give them their 55th title”.
You don’t know that and you don’t know that, at that point, the question will need to addressed regarding the distinction between oldco and Sevco.
Not wishing to disagree, as I realise your affinity with Celtic, just reckon a lot more cards to be played yet and timing will be very important.
Remember, we are on the same side, the right side, and have factual evidence to support our position.
What do they have to support theirs?
An example, they think they won the LNS tribunal when they were found guilty.
EC67
ElDiegoBhoy
20:27 on 3 March, 2013
‘ernie lynch
And that’s pertinent to CQN discussing LNS etc?’
Because you’re only allowed to post stuff that’s relevant to the leading article. That how this site operates, isn’t it?
Well, dash it all. I say let’s tear up the rule book and allow people to post non relevant material.
Who’s with me?
lct
Will do. <:0)
otthebus
20:48 on 3 March, 2013
‘You know what sticks in the throat most is that sheer hypocrisy of the statement by murray alst week.
“The imposition of an irrecoverable fine on an entity which is now in liquidation is futile and only prejudices the ability of existing creditors to recover any money’
Did Chuckles not undertake to pay any fine as part of the price of getting a league registration?
stpatricksbhoy
20:47 on
3 March, 2013
I just thought they were maybe changed to help them in the LNS investigation, could be wrong though but no fault of Paul’s.
LUBO
I was really happy and I feel wonderful emotions every time I go to Celtic because I’m so proud that I was part of that club. I love Celtic, I love them. It’s like my family.
it was great to be in the team and in the dressing room with Neil as he was a leader. He worked a lot for me, for Henrik, for everyone, and he was satisfied with that role. That’s the most important thing about him: he knew what he had to do, to work so that we could score the goals. He was a leader in the group, a good guy – those are the qualities that you need to be a coach.
setting free the bears
As long as they name on our shirt is different there is enough seperation for now.
Not perfect but a start.
As someone pointed out last night on here if VW were to sponsor us both we get PORCHE the get SKODA.
Its the http://www.candcgroupplc.com/
For me to be seen to be different is a step forward.
ernie lynch
20:53 on 3 March, 2013
Post as you will, everybody else seems too.
Hail Hail.
Thindimebhoy
Brilliant
Jude
Brilliant
Ta Bhoys re Josh.
I picked my wee Ghirl up from the St Patrick’s Comhaltas traditional Irish music club at St Andrew’s in Coatbridge on Saturday morning. I had just been at Wee BGFC’s football in Gartlea with Gartcairn – they were gubbed 17-2.
I was in a foul mood; still simmering over the LNS parody. Radio shortbread news came on and there was some triumphalist comment about it – I can’t even remember what was said. It must have been the last straw, because I snapped at the weans – “Right, that’s it – I have had it with Scottish football. Stuff them, it’s completely corrupt, and I’m not going back.”
A lot of us feel that way right now. Some would, like me, maybe change their minds if they saw the look on Wee BGFC’s face; it just crumpled – quavering chin, tears welled up in his wee eyes. He looked away out the car window because he didn’t want me to see him crying.
He said quietly “But dad, that would mean no more Celtic”.
No more Celtic. That’s what they want, these cheating masonic ratbags – no more Celtic.
Well, fek them. They can do their worst, but me, Wee BGFC and Princess BGFC will be at Celtic Park next year, and their weans will be their in their turn.
I think the current Board will do everything that they can to fight against this abomination of a situation. But if they don’t, they will be gone in their own good time too.
When the Lawells, Kellys, Grants, Whites, Desmonds are long gone, Celtic will still be there – my family will be there supporting them.
BGFC
SFTBs
I understand your fears but nowadays what top class players will come to Scotland if they are established?
The days of Scottish teams paying 3M plus in transfer fees are over – yes even them.
These guys you think are waiting in the wings may appear but the EPL has made Scottish football an effective backwater. It’s now a place where young talent will be developed and sold and unknowns will cut their teeth in British football before moving on.
The EPL bubble will continue for a while yet and we’ll suffer from it’s effects but so will Sevco.
I do not see banks allowing them to rack up the kind of debts they did previously and if they do then we know where it all ends. The EBT thing won’t happen again because things have changed. People are wise to it so they’ll have to find another way to cheat – other than the traditional ways they’ve always enjoyed.
I share your concerns but there is one thing which will keep Celtic ahead of them – CL money.
They cannot get it for a minimum of 3 more years and even then with qualifiers nothing is taken for granted.
Celtic’s absolute priority is getting the group stages at least next season. With that cash banked and the possibility of getting last 16 or Europa football the money will continue to come in.
We also have a playing staff who can raise significant funds for reinvestment.
Hooper, Wanyama, Mathews, Lustig, Wilson, Forster, Forrest and even Izzy would all raise Celtic a pretty penny.
The difficulty comes with getting players of equal quality to replace them and that is why our Scouting network has developed as it has.
Our own youth players need to develop and take their chances. Watt, McGeoch, Irvine, Herron, George, Fraser,Chalmers, Atajic and the Twardziks must kick on from here and make real contributions in the next two years to be more than a match for the coming of Sevco.
One thing my Grandparents told me still rings true today regarding Celtic and that mob in blue – You need to keep putting the ball in the net to make sure you win against them.
I think Neil Lennon knows that too.
sftb
Was in the papers abt the same trading group. Celtic can never ever go into the SAME sponsors with them cheaters!! I think P L & co should be aware of this.