So the chief executive of the appellate body awaiting a decision to appeal says, “It’s crucial with league reconstruction being such an important issue for the game that we now draw a line under what’s happened”.
According to the SPL Commission the president of that same appellate body was one of the “directors of Oldco [which]must bear a heavy responsibility” for what happened.
Responsibility, however, is an unnecessary concept for the chief executive of the appellate body, who told the media “It’s not about trying to find scapegoats to take responsibility for what’s happened in the last 12 months.”
Note use of language, those responsible are now “scapegoats”.
Scapegoat, def: A person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.
Let’s not look for scapegoats. Instead let’s stick to who Lord Nimmo Smith’s Commision blame, “the directors of Oldco”. Including the appellate body’s president.
The appellate body is unfit as an appellate body and as a football association. SPL clubs must look for a new playing environment. Let the SFA and SFL run the grassroots game. They appear to want this anyway and I am sure SPL clubs will flourish when no longer restricted to opposition from Scotland.
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Snake Plissken
Mr Stein was the man I remember making that statement also, re hitting the net..
Big Georges Fan Club
Your last post say’s it all.
Awerabest PJ
ernie lynch
20:05 on 3 March, 2013
We are just going to have to wait and see what transpires.
The Huns were never going to be allowed to go out of existence.
I am very suspicious about lots of things, especially Spiritual things, I don’t think Celtic have done a lot wrong in their responses to the car crash in Govan.
As long as Celtic keep doing what they are doing, what else REALLY matters?
Sevco are at the bottom and they are struggling against Division 3 teams.
ernie lynch 20:55 on 3 March, 2013
Did Chuckles not undertake to pay any fine as part of the price of getting a league registration?
I assume they will appeal – after all they have said all along they have done nothing wrong.
Cheers PJ
Eurochanps
I don’t “know” that as it is an event yet to occur but I believe I can marshall evidence that this will be so.
The 5 way agreement recognised that rangers share in the SPL could be sold to Chuckles- so far, so uncontroversial. They then added that he had bought thier history and assets, a novel concept in a “takeover” situation.
We have seen spokespeople for the Tax authorities saying they have “no problem” with Sevco continuing with the Rangers name and now LNS recognising, in an official document, accepted and not appealed by any footballing authority, that club and company are separate and that the club has continued.
During all of Chuckles’s outbursts and provocations, neither Regan nor Doncaster has stated that Chuckles club has no connection with the old one, in fact the SFL secretary supported the Sevco view.
All SPL club chairmen were willing to strike a tawdry deal to let them stay in the SPL until fan power forced most to re-think.
Let me turn your question on its head. What gives you any confidence that any official football body has the stomach to fight this view? Aren’t they all telling us we will need to put all of his behind us.
FGF
Will do.
My heart gave a little jump when I saw he had the number 5 on. Brot memories of the Voij game, the cup final V Dunfermline and of coarse Lisbon. And many other Caeser magic moments. The header just made my day.
Tryin to avoid all establishment media an not be a customer so if anyone can help out with internet highlights of game yesterday wud be appreciated as missed game an decided not watching any bbc highlights etc. Maybe cutting my nose off to spite face but wee token protest
OOPS
Missed out the 4 nil cup final. HaiL Caeser.
big georges fan club
20:58 on
3 March, 2013
Great post mate, they want us to walk away, don’t.
As Che said the other day, they can have yesterday, we’ll have tomorrow.
Snake
“I understand your fears but nowadays what top class players will come to Scotland if they are established?”
I don’t think they need to adopt their old model of buying established stars just to be competitive with us when they get back. Even if they are just the 2nd biggest club, in financial terms, when they return, if their tax paths have been cleared, they will be a far closer 2nd club than Hearts currently are.
Form is temporary and Class is permanent. Celtic will always be classy but our advantage, our form, will one day be overturned. We are no more predestined to a 1000-year reich of SPL titles than were the hubristic huns of the 90s who thought they had left Celtic behind.
Rosenborg won 13 titles in a row and enjoyed all the CL financial advantages. Skonto Riga won 14 times up to 2005. Yet other Norwegian and Latvian clubs overcame those advantages to take the title from them, and so they should.
For the first decade of my life, Celtic never won a title. Between the ages of 32 and 42 we went another decade without a title. I can see us winning a fair few titles in a row, in the near future, but you would have to have a fairly inflated view of your own ability to prophesy the future to believe that our continued success is a foregone conclusion.
‘integrity’ has become just another corrupted word…….
>>>>>>>
btw, i’m absolutely effin’ deejam deeliighted fer Spurs.
Saw them play in the old glory days in the 80’s when Ossie Ardiles was their controversial superstar.
Went with some mates…….cannae remember who we saw them play, but Spurs won, and we had one helluva night down The Seven Sisters………now, now, now…..keep yer minds pure.
Snake
I realise that Hearts are no longer the 2nd club, in terms of financial power or football ability but they were seen as such at the start of this season because they have the next largest fan base.
SFTBs
Absolutely.
I’m not that filled with hubris and I don’t think Celtic are.
Winning forever is impossible for any side and eventually they will win a title – if they’re counting Div 3 I think we’ll let them have that one. I don’y think it will give any of us sleepless nights.
My point is in Scotland we have the chance to build for their coming and humiliate them in the process. It is possible in the short term and should something we are preparing for while getting those European benefits.
2 more sleeps till flight to Turin. Looking fwd to a history making performance 4. 1. Has a nice ring to it. Never seen us win 4 1 away in Europe. Only 4 0 in Budapest. First time for everything.
Interesting watch on Roma v Genoa on ESPN. No coloured players on the park yet from either side….and I thought Lazio were the right wing club….
jude2005 is neil lennon \o/
21:14 on 3 March, 2013
Sure I have a press photo of the goal against Dunfermline .
Need to look it out , for another look.
HH
Burnley78
I wouldn’t bet against it.
Celtic were like a last 4 Champions League team at Celtic Park IMO but got no returns for their monumental efforts.
I will be delighted with a draw or a 1 goal win as that will instill real belief in just how good these players can be.
The game in Scotland is a bogey, a big greasy, scabby, hingin’, bloody blisterin’ scooby of a manky bogey.
Let’s get tae before it infects us any further, and blooter that **** Ogilvy on the way past.
Will the SPL Board take this nonsense of a decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport? Do they have the power? Especially since Regan has now compromised the potential appeal process?
Interesting post from KDS…..
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=12087557&t=8781404
The Establishment has always bent the rules for any ‘Club’ playing at Ibrox in Blue. And to think we were called ‘paranoid’!
Is Anyone clear when the tax case appeal is likely to be dealt with ?
Big Georges Fan Club
20:58 on 3 March, 2013
Powerful post.
SFTB
Precisely because they are so desperate for everyone to put it all behind us.
You won’t, I won’t, we won’t, put it all behind us.
It is out there now. Just a matter of peeling away the layers.
They are exposed, we don’t require a full frontal attack just yet. They are weak and at their most vulnerable. Why exposé ourselves to the charge of vindictiveness when the truth WILL win out.
EC67
After the initial anger on last Thursday night I tried to find a positive. After all the LNS decision was just the most recent example of rule bending,, goalpost moving call it what you will. Then I thought my club won nine in a row, trebles, the most Scottish cups in the face of this ingrained bias. That made me prouder than ever that Celtic is my club. We win our way, on our own, without resorting to cheating. Suddenly the world was a better place .
Hail hail
Petec. Agreed on all points. A win of any kind would also deliver cash and co eff boost.
They will want to minimise risk of bookings etc.
A goal for us in the 44th minute and they won’t know whether to stick or twist.
Regan is exposed with his comments. I think this is an interesting development. He is not the brightest but I am surprised he has left himself open like this.
Doc is Neil Lennon
21:22 on
3 March, 2013
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Cheers pal – look on Wee BGFC’s face would have broke your heart – we can’t let the conniving ratbags chase us away – do that and they win.
I just read a book about the Royal Stuart / Stewart dynasty from the 16th to the 18th century – really brought home how deep-seated, and centuries-long, the established religious realities – i.e. a real hatred of ‘popery’ – are, or at least have been, in Scotland.
I do believe the current debacle is just an element of the bitter after-taste of the past few centuries. The majority reaction to it – outwith ‘establishment’ circles – shows, I think, that the general public have moved into the 21st Century, even if a number of the County’s institutions are still living in the past.
BGFC
In fact I’d advocate (hypothetically) blootering the lot of them (allegededly) smashing their teef in (imganitavely, of course) but then I’d obviously get nicked for being sensible.
CaptainSensible CSC
E67
Correct. MSM primed to place Celtic in the ‘vindictive’ camp.
This is a problem for Scotland.
If Celtic come out all guns blazin’ – we’ll deffo come of second best.
Let’s frustrate our opponents.
HH.
* off
County = Country
16 roads – Neil Lennon walks on water. Thanks mate – Wee BGFC made me remember what I felt like when I was his age – we need to make sure Celtic is there for our weans.
BGFC
EC 67
It may be too early.
The evening is the time to judge the day. {mind you, it’s beginning to look quite dark :-)}
Burnley78
I like Cricket and have a soft spot for England when they play for the Ashes against Australia.
Regan, seems like a handpicked Mason.
Awe-naw, just seen your post to me about 6:20 tonight. Wot u talking about Willis? Musta mixed me up with sumdae else!
Been off blog since this efty. Bro and niece over fae Dublin. Pints with bro and swedgers for the wean.
Regarding dealing with our country cousins, I just spoke with my old man. Been here since 54, good Letterkenny mhan. He worked in Linwood early 70’s when the troubles were at a peak.
Guy makes a comment about employing Paddies at such times as they could be terrorist sympathisers. General murmuring of agreement all round. Old man invites him out for a chat and knocks him the fcuk out. On coming round, old man asks him to repeat what he said. Gets a sorry, wasn’t personal, won’t happen again. Old man gets his books 2 weeks later, with 7 kids to look after.
Never, ever regretted his actions to this day.
He’s 83 now and still my hero.
HH
The zombies have found their true level,over paid free transfer signings with little or no sell-on value whatsoever.
LAZEE BASHED TART 21:43 on 3 March, 2013
After the initial anger on last Thursday night I tried to find a positive.
I think fans of the other clubs are no longer (at least not so much) seeing us as the “Old Firm”, both sides of the same coin. They have seen how Sevco have cheated and been favoured by the authorities and that we are also victims.
The curious tale of Steven Davis.
Good player , decent career. Played for big clubs like Villa and Rangers, played in the EPL and a European final as well as representing his country over 50 times. In addition to all of that he achieved a lifetimes ambition by captaining Rangers. He also seems like a decent bloke, so if you want a poster boy for a club playing in blue in the SPL , he’s as good a choice as any
And yet…..
He was off like Usain Bolt at the first hint of being asked to play in SFL 3. To be fair , you can’t blame him for that. Given his status in the game, as detailed above, it wasn’t a reasonable ask to expect him to stay. However , what took him to Ibrox in the first place ?
From a Rangers supporting community, I’m sure he was thrilled to get the opportunity in 2008 , when David Murray drew up a lucrative contract to entice him to be part of Walters rebuilding programme, after the debacle that was the Paul Le Guen era.
That contract included , as LNS helpfully detailed, a payment of £1.2 million through the EBT scheme. Lets just remember that…….a payment, not a loan as LNS and his panel made very clear.
The interesting thing is that part way through this contract the UK Government changed the Law, which meant that there was no benefit to Rangers in paying….yes paying…..their players this way.
So Rangers went to Davis and increased his basic salary to allow him to achieve the same net pay that he had been under the combined salary and EBT plan.
Now , we were told by LNS, that there was no competitive advantage to Rangers in operating the deception that kept the EBT scheme from the SPL and SFA. We were also told by David Murray that he had absolutely no say over whether the trustees allowed a loan to given to the players.
What Murray was saying, was that the EBT loan, was an opportunity rather than a contractual right. LNS said bunkum, and most people would agree with LNS. What Rangers could have done was provide the opportunity of a bonus to Davis, but they didn’t. They increased his basic by exactly the amount needed to make up for loss of EBT.
Fast forward a few months , and Rangers are in administration . The added cost to them of Davis’ salary would be a factor in their inability to meet their costs or pay their creditors.
No competitive advantage through EBT’s !!………I think not M’Lud
Now backtrack to any point after 2000. Lets assume , and this won’t be easy, that Sandy Bryson and his fellow eagle eyed aparatchiks at SFA towers had actually wondered why Rangers were paying £ millions a year through an EBT scheme as disclosed in their accounts.
Lets say they had asked the question then that they should have asked …….is any of this going to the players, and if it is is it detailed in their contracts.
Lets say this happened in October 2006……an arbitrary date, but coincidently the first time I mentioned on KDS forum that ” Lord Stevens may want to have a look at the EBT scheme which was being heavily used at Ibrox” ….October 2006 Mr Bryson…….maybe that was hibernation time at Hamden.
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/505931/2/#new
Anyway , if the question had been asked then, one of 2 things would have to have happened . Either Murray would have lied, or he would have had to shut down his EBT scheme.
No prizes for guessing the likely outcome, and no prizes either for for concluding that if the scheme had been forced to close, then Steven Davis may very well never had arrived at Ibrox, because the extra cost to Rangers on his EBT payment alone would have been £480,000 in PAYE
When Walter filled his boots on his return in 2007, almost every one of his signings received EBT payments and side letters. That team , 2 seasons later won a tightly contested and highly controversial league title which gave them direct entry into the CL, with its resultant £15 million pay day
No competitive advantage….level playing field……these words must mean nothing to LNS, badly advised as he was by Bryson…….they clearly mean something totally different to the SFA
Shameful and Shameless, but job done in their eyes .
I am surprised at some of the wishfull thinking from otherwise intelligent posters.
They have shafted us, they have shafted the whole of scottish football.
They cheat before our eyes.
They can do what the feck they want, and they will get away with things.
There will be no further punishment for them, if anything, they will be fastracked back up the league as an offering for their pain and suffering.
Timmy was put in his place last week, and unless the club challenge them and their blatent corruption……we will forever be their subserviants.
What is it with masons?
If a mason is in a position of authority and fails to favour another mason, does he get kicked out, or what? Why can’t they apply justice? Why can’t they be fair? What’s the matter with them?