Scottish football has gone through months of drama and uncertainty to rescue ‘Rangers’. Only weeks ago we were told a CVA was likely. Once this failed the question of today’s SPL vote crystallised.
The SPL met several times to discuss this matter, even doing so before Rangers CVA failed. Sentiment was firmly behind Newco, to the extent that some were worried they would be allowed into the league without any sanction (if one Ayrshire club had their way). All this changed when Charles Green and Duff and Phelps agreed to challenge the SFA at the Court of Session. At the SPL meeting following this decision the mood changed dramatically.
I then had several friends in the media rubbish my suggestion that Newco were far from certain of being voted into the SPL. To be fair to them, my information was not coming from Neil Doncaster, whereas theirs was. If Doncaster was so assured when speaking to the media, day after day, we can only imagine what he was saying to Green. His influence has not been helpful to the cause he championed.
Clubs, who were previously weighing up the argument, suddenly had a convincing point to consider. Rangers going to court was the biggest own goal in their 140 year history. Terry Butcher, eat your heart out.
After this Green was at the mercy of fortune, and the growing influence of the hawk(s) in the SPL who saw no need to create space for Newco. In many respects, John Brown is correct. Having gambled and failed, Green did whatever he could to accommodate but there was no way back. Underestimate John Brown at your peril, he has his club’s interests at heart and has the fortitude to raise a phoenix from the ruins of Ibrox. His unconventional style is easy to mock but it is just what needed (I truly believe this).
Where now for the Newco-Sevco-Rangers? I don’t see a solution. Sooner or later Mr Green will let his friends know they only way forward is for him to acquire an existing Scottish Football League club, rename it to something like Rangers United, and move it to Ibrox.
The toxic history would be set free and it would be game-on. Keep your eye on Cowdenbeath.
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SuperSutton, 20:10
They can’t and it will hasten their demise.
Green is a front man for people who want money in the short term, not for people who have to pay players on the terms of old contracts that were based on income from TV and Europe.
Whytey!
Busted Flush!
“Hughie” !
*three cheers*
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on 4 July, 2012 at 20:36 said:
You never let us down big pal hope you’re laughing as much as the video!
Just listened to Bomber Browns interview, I can not believe that even the stupid Huns are taking him seriously, I hope they all follow him while he helps ruin whats left of their club
Oh the Celtic said no!!!!!
Bhoys/Ghirls-any ideas on who said yes?
HH
CRC
Once today’s result came in one fellow said to me “do you wish you hadn’t renewed your ST so quickly now that the huns are binned”
“Nope” said I “I did have a ST for 4 years without them on it” There ended the conversation………………………………..
Arty @ 20:33
Always a tendency to change with the wind
Magnificentseven @ 20:34
The ‘deal’ has more strings than the London Philharmonic
celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on 4 July, 2012 at 20:39 said:
Oh the Celtic said no!!!!!
Bhoys/Ghirls-any ideas on who said yes?
HH
CRC
just Mr Green :-)
Deal us in?
Naw deal you OUT ya …………………..
Just listened to the 30 min clip from Clyde – OMG !!!!!
John Brown – thank you for your allegations, intimidation, snide remarks, total lack of contrition, and the complete and utter disregard for the rest of Scottish football – I was never quite sure what a Rangers LegNed was, until now
Hugh Keevins – Thank you – Hypocrite, in your own words, Hugh, in your own words
Dalziel – Blah, blah, boo, hoo,,,,,, or at least that’s what i heard – shame
Callers – Billy, William (no seriously, that was at least 2 of their names) – thank you for calling in, you were well worth listening to, in light of the above total BS talked by the guys listed above
Clyde – well done guys – comedy gold – now, just switch the lights off, close the door, and go home. You will never beat that
Sitting in Köln airport waiting for a flight to the big Smoke for a couple of days. So far I have been following today’s events on various devices. I have posted on my new mobile which almost got papped oot ra windae after losing 2 other longish posts. I am hoping to get to sleep tonight at a reasonable hour instead of lurking with my IPad into the wee small hours. Today is a victory for all fair minded people and that includes any hun with a conscience, I know.
Today also saw a good result for the USA after they apologised to Pakistan, just think if they had shown some contrition 7 months ago they might have got a result earlier.
I’m pleased to say that I have been fortified by one or two badly needed charges, German Weißbier being one of my favourite tipples next to normal Guinness.
A small request to all of our more paranoid posters, please chill out because you cause unnecessary grief on the blog. I hope you are all satisfied/proud of our Club’s response to Sevco 1690 or whatever they are cloned.
Hail! Hail! The Laird, always proud to be a Tim.
And to all you cheating EBT, tax-dodging huns, you know who you are, Jail! Jail!
CRC
and killie abstained(i think) :))))
bournesouprecipe, 20:26 said:
Michael Kelly tells @bbc5live Rangers should have all the trophies they won under David Murray taken away from them.
They will have.
And then some jail time for a few (though not all involved)
Wouldn’t it be great to have the text of chuck and Sally’s pitch to the spl?
Ggh
Aberdeen have signed two players despite losing out on the missing Ragers 16 million.
Yes – someone commented about those criticising the board for not making a statement to come forward.
Personally thought the board were doing the right thing by saying nothing, considering the certain implications others would exploded it into – however I was wilting last night.
Definitely had a dose of wobbly knees last night – after reading clown browns rant against the only SILENT chairman / chief exec in the entire SPL!!
Great statement from the board, the elegance, tone and message was perfect
O.G.Rafferty on 4 July, 2012 at 20:44 said:
I like your style..
Celtic have released their statement, the FUDS that keep banging on about it on here can now go and relax with a nice Pinot grigio, the Hun is dead, long live the Celts
HH
In – guess!!! – GREENwich tonight!!!! Cqn on the phone, quiet quintessential British bitter awaits!!
Arty on 4 July, 2012 at 20:33 said:
bournesouprecipe on 4 July, 2012 at 20:26 said:
Former Celtic director Michael Kelly tells @bbc5live Rangers should have all the trophies they won under David Murray taken away from them.
Where’d he bump his heid?
Arty –
To be fair, he said the same on yon stv programme about thems in administration. Was about the only piece of sense I heard in that hour!
Rucyl
O.G.Rafferty @ 20:44
*noted for your consistency*
starryplough
Just sooked 2 lemons masel and am still laffin!!
Fan and Patriot
That is an excellent idea and I’d be happy to sign.
We should all acknowledge that the delivery of the chairmen to vote no was entirely down to the solid action of fans refusing to purchase season tickets.
I have a better idea though.
We should task the lilly-livered, ‘I’ll always go in’ Hamiltontim with arriving early and personally thanking as many people as possible by shaking their hands at the home end for a whole season.
HH
Arty
re a copy of the 4 horsemen etc
not sure
but i suppose to save the image would work
then print it at tesco or wherever
to poster size
it truly is an iconic image
memorable !
The Barlinnie team are going to have one powerful board, maybe a couple of good players and no problem finding a referee.
There’s a guy tweeting from the RFFF meeting Jandy Sardine and The Bomber about to go head to head!!
John McLean @thehotshot67
Just get a boxing ring organised! “SJ and JB arguing about JB taking up too much time.” yip must be the bucky!?
Theres a thread on FF right now with feeds from the RFF meeting, featuring quotes from CG and Bomber…. Fascinating how they are all splitting into fraction upon fractions.
Theirs will be a messy, messy end.
Donkey tried to force a yes vote
And we said no no no
garygillespieshamstring on 4 July, 2012 at 20:44 said:
Wouldn’t it be great to have the text of chuck and Sally’s pitch to the spl?
Ggh
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Here’s the start of it (Surely better to have the video though)
Sally…. “hello, hello, we are the … oops sorry…. well anyway,,,, here’s wur presentation… Charlie… gonnae get that f**kin computer workin…. Oh right aye, I need tae press the moose ? Right aye, sorry… anyway here we go…. as you can see here is our Fans.. thoosands o’ them…. well, they’re a bit boisterous, but just think whit ye’d be losin’ if they wurnae here ?… “
Newco are abt to release this to raise money for the fighting fund.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW9mr5pmW4M
John McLean @thehotshot67
“JB not happy, fans losing patience with him butting in.” has he been on the buckfast again?
Bomber Bomber shut yer gob..
The trouble with der Bummer is if Only An Excuse do a parody of him it will not be anywhere near as funny as the real thing.
Nothin’ from Chic……?
*surprised*
OG
ALL trophies under Murray removed?! That is the end game we dare to dream about.
Given the investigations so far have only gone back to 1998 and the inception of the SPL, who would have the power to do so?
HH
Sorry for long C&P seen it on RTC
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Direct from the RFF meeting
Read from bottom up (a bit like RFC(IA+IL)
Niall McKay @nmckay82
Jardine – very scathing of players that left. ‘These players shafted our club’
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11m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Not title deeds but other paperwork, nobody looks !
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12m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Goalie wants DF to see title deeds and they’ll ask fans to renew. Finace director – sevco owns assets, offers to show docs now
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15m Niall McKay @nmckay82
AM – Playing staff on knees, 6 players plus kids.
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17m Niall McKay @nmckay82
AM – couldn’t tell players anything as he didn’t know anything. Only ones that spoke to him about was AM & SD. Others phoned to let him know
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19m Niall McKay @nmckay82
AM – made opinions crystal clear at spl meeting. Petrie etc asked for sanctions for us to stay spl. Only options starting afresh in div 3 AM
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22m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Motherwell got £1.65 m this year? Would be 165k if we’re in third.
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23m Niall McKay @nmckay82
JB has minutes from SfL and confirms we will be sent to 1st div. advised if anyone from SfL questions or denies he will take to court.
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24m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Bombers back on mike
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24m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Regardless of chairman. CG only one to step up.
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25m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Mccoist – I can’t ask fans to renew sb due to uncertainty, players, league, board. I couldn’t have on my conscience but that would apply…
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42m Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG leaving to meet ‘the lunatics who have just left asylum’
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44m Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG about to leave, was scheduled for 8pm.
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45m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Monty – I have saw all documentation, all in place and satisfied. Most reassuring thing of night.
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51m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Fan- I’m not comfortable with you lot owning club as you don’t know enough about our traditions, Murray, I do !!
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54m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Signed place letters in place for further investment to come in.
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55m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Financial models in place for whatever league we go to.
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57m Niall McKay @nmckay82
@kplloyalbear not now mate
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58m Niall McKay @nmckay82
Football league rules changed after Wimbledon/MK dons. Reality is we can’t acquire an existing club. We could join non league.
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59m Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG speaking well and has support of mccoist and others within club. CG told sfa if you don’t want us well go somewhere else
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG refers to turncoats who left club. CG – only one club want us point deduction and titles stripped
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
No sanctions in place at moment.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG – no way while I’m chairman will we give our enemies 50% gate money. Wide applause.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CH threatened we could go a year and play friendlies. SPL chairman who doesn’t lke us states SFA wouldn’t allow us to play friendlies
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG and McCoist happy with 3rd.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG we don’t have choice in what league we enter. We couldn’t agree with some sanctions requested by spl clubs
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
Next round of funding will half this shareholding. Glenmuir advised they would put in 1-5m but were abused by fans, email etc.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
Blue pitch holdings biggest shareholder 23%
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
Zeus guy- Rangers worth 50m !! Straight face :-0
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
JB told to sit down
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
JB confirms bid 8.7m received recorded delivery. CG made aware of bid. Why would investors sell for less than they have committed – CG
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG – too many people all show, no actions. His team have made actions. JB calling him ‘Charlie’ having none of it.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG timetable was based in cva. JB ‘where’s the 30m’ JB being shot down for hijacking meeting. Demanding proof of 11m
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
Bomber asks where 30m is
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
Raised 11m so far for Rangers. Here comes Bomber !!!
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
Imran from Zeus introducing himself. Founded HB corporate. Just joined Zeus. His job raising money. Zeus, Manchester based,gers first deal.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
A lot of people outside Rangers want club to fail completely. CG
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
CG says he was liked less at SU but reality of what needs done is not pleasant
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
We will never let what happened happen again. Categorically CW not involved, signed statement submitted to SFA #kingsParkLoyal
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
@rangersfctrust Board just arrived, being introduced by Murray.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
@rangersfctrust Show of hands, unanimous fans want div 3
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
@rangersfctrust John Brown warned about hijacking meeting.
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
@rangersfctrust I am there. Kings Park Loyal. John Brown is also hear and passionately asked q re title deeds
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1h Niall McKay @nmckay82
@rangersfctrust Jardine announces Green, all board and mccoist will be at meeting to answer concerns
John McLean @thehotshot67
….”JB says green said to him ‘I could put this club down forever” self implosion to follow.
John Browns big secret, awwww shift we all knew that Bomber…
mike 17.16 on Talksport , if you’re out there , so many thanks after that bampot newco fan had been on .Durham was dreadful today – churnalism at its worst
lct
Killie abstained? Spot on my son!! o)))