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burghbhoy
10:49 on 19 January, 2014
Will you stope talkin aboot food……am oan a diet tae…..hahahahahahaha
Off oot for ma wee swim……hope Kevj is not off oot ……to the same pool….hehe
Bloody well done Anto Stokes. The team needs more players willing to sort out the talentless wee hammer throwing neds that infest the Scottish game.
Stokes played well yesterday and also played a big part in all of our 3 goals. Patently Obvious his detractors on this blog know hee haw about football.
That would have been The Kano Foundation kids behind the goal in the LL lower!
T4
Some interesting reading in some of the articles posted today however they smack of I better do something this time. A few are poking Ally with a stick but are not really calling him out. His salary and budget are totally disproportionate for the club’s position in Scottish football and it seems as if he is still getting his full salary-or it has been deferred-despite the spin last week.
Their envy and the ‘we are the peepil’ mentality has been their undoing, when you add the spivs to this toxic mix the potent brew could prove fatal. Tom English et al are laughable now trying to jump on the ‘we told you so’ bandwagon who should have listened to the internet bampots. In saying that they did listen, they didn’t want to believe and they didn’t have the stomach to go for the real story. I paraphrase Jim Royal: ‘Journalists my arse’.
Fair play to Kevin McKenna today though, spot on with the ridiculous Offensive Behaviour Bill.
HH
BelfastCelt
I am awaiting Sydney Tim`s post bemoaning the fact that Celtic didn`t provide the children with ” superior” seating,Celtic Tops and a small, personal hamper each from Peter Lawwell dressed in a Green and White Santa outfit 0:-)
JJ
burghbhoy
I had a look at the new Fish and Pie Bar yesterday. It looked quite impressive although quite small in all honesty for the large concourse it is serving. I was disappointed that, when I asked for a single fish, I was told that they were only selling fish suppers – but they said they were monitoring the demand. When I asked how they could do that if they weren’t selling them, the answer was that they were taking note of how many people asked for it! So I asked if there were many to which the answer given was yes. The pies looked very appealing, certainly much more so than the usual counters so I had a steak pie instead, at the same price as the other areas, and very nice it was too. On the whole, a good start, but we certainly need many more such ventures throughout the stadium to engage with the fans – there is nothing similar in the North Stand lower where I am. By the way, a fish supper costs £6.50 which is not too bad compared to my local chippy in Monifieth. Hope that helps.
ROY CROPPIE
Sunday Mail has a go at the OB Act too.
Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill
“Writing laws is easy but governing is difficult.” – Leo Tolstoy
OF COURSE, Leo turned into a bit of an old anarchist so laws – good, bad or indifferent – were never really his bagski.
But still, his point is a good one and worth remembering when we consider the shambles that ensues when dashing off a law is preferred to good and thoughtful governance.
There have been countless examples but let’s turn to a classic of its kind.
M’luds, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Exhibit A: the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act.
Even by the slapdash, bish-bosh standards of most legislation thrown together in a panic, this piece of junk, railroaded into place two years ago by the Scottish Government, is a peach.
Does anyone even remember the Old Firm game that provoked it?
Even by the bad-tempered and bilious lows sometimes plumbed by that fixture, it was a sour affair but did it really justify a rush to the statute book? Did it hell. No, the rushing was being done by politicians eager to be seen to be “doing something”, egged on by police who, let’s be honest, are never going to refuse a new law to enforce.
But did they need one? Doesn’t our notoriously wide-ranging breach of the peace charge cover more ground than Billy Bunter’s shadow?
Can’t it – and hasn’t it – been used to include just about any alleged offence short of actual, bloody murder?
And, if there is, for example, a law that allows Police Scotland to stop and search 520,000 Scots in a little over six months, as we discovered last week, then, some might say, we have enough laws already.
Nobody is saying all the morons and bigots shouting sectarian or racist abuse at football games – or for that matter in the street, pub, Twitter or Facebook – shouldn’t be collared but they always could have been.
To draft new laws designed to criminalise “offensive” singing – or, indeed, “threatening tattoos” – is politics for the cheap seats.
There are far too many shades of grey and offence is in the eye or ear of the beholder, one fan’s party song is another’s hymn of hate.
The SNP government continue to insist the law is “proportionate, justified and in line with human rights law”, despite repeated, ongoing criticism from football fans’ groups, lawyers, sheriffs and civil liberties campaigners.
They’re wrong but, as Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill continues his rush to scrap the need for corroborating evidence, another rotten idea, they seem to have learned nothing from the debacle surrounding their football laws.
As Tolstoy probably suspected, making cheap headlines is far easier than crafting good laws.
kitalba
02:39 on 19 January, 2014
I don’t have a list of favourite movies but if I did this one would be up near the top:
Gifted Hands
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Kitalba
That was a fantastic movie the kind that I would put on for my mam off the true movies channel and never think of watching myself:))
I’m so glad I pressed the play button a good start to a Sunday morning.
Thank you
Good Morning Timland.
Thought Stokesy tackle merited a red card,having said that
no sympathy from me for Lasley,what go’s around comes
around.
Larssone7en
I pissed myself laughing when I put you in the cab and the driver said where too? I said Motherwell, driver said where in Motherwell , I said his house, and he just drove off with you, lol.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
Mountblow tim supporting wee oscar
09:10 on
18 January, 2014
antipodean red
mountblow tim,
Is it every any different in old bankieland and now the council are talking about making the ‘Muni’ a nine hole golf course!
Sacrilege
AR (formerly of the parish of clydebank)
Many many happy Sunday arvos divoting our way round Dalmuir with mates..
Any timescale for when the axe is to fall?
Good morning CQN
Macjay1
Sorry for the delay just read back
As far as I know it is still under discussion?
Hope you and your mates have a load more good Sundays out
On the Dalmuir course
Did you know that one of the holes (the 4th 0r 5th hole)
Was in a book of best golf holes in the world
Good game yesterday team played well
The Ref was poor once more
Hail Hail
MT
I see Waddell writing in the Sunday Mail today that if sevco go into admin they will be docked 25 points, poor deluded hurtin’ hun.
Hail! Hail!
Friesdorfer….many thanks , a superb critique.
BMCUW….. Sorry bud.
67 Heaven…. I feel your pain , I’m there with you! Sorry, but I do take a certain comfort in talking about it!!
I’ve lost 9lbs in 2 weeks. Have cut out Potatoes, crisps , sweeties, chocolate, lager .
Living on Fruit / salad and meat .
Goodness it hurts.
Maybe we could firm some kind of support group ?
BMCUW
I see even the ‘cuddly’ Thistle fans are falling victim to this stupid law. Same result though:
(Sunday Mail/Record)
A STUDENT held after chanting abuse about the Pope and the Queen at a football match has been convicted under controversial anti-sectarian laws.
But Adam Richmond, 19, walked away without a criminal record after a sheriff said he should not have been dragged into court.
The case has sparked a fresh wave of criticism over the Government’s Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act, driven into place two years ago after a bad-tempered Old Firm match and designed to clamp down on sectarian abuse at games and online.
Football fans, lawyers and civil liberty campaigners have branded the legislation unnecessary and confused after cases have been questioned when they reached court.
Richmond was arrested after police heard him singing “F*** your Pope and f*** your Queen” as Partick Thistle played Celtic at Firhill in October.
Thistle fans sing the song to distance themselves from Rangers and Celtic.
At Glasgow Sheriff Court, he was found guilty by Sheriff Norman Ritchie QC of behaviour likely to incite public disorder by singing sectarian and offensive remarks.
But he told the teenager: “You are not the sort of person who creates the problem and needs this legislation.”
He then discharged him absolutely. That means Richmond, from Penilee, Glasgow, has no criminal record despite being found guilty.
Yesterday, solicitor advocate Chris Fyffe said: “I struggle to see the point of this Act. One of the major concerns was it had an extremely long reach and was very vague in its terms.
“This seems to be being borne out to a certain extent by some of these decisions, suggesting there is a reluctance on the part of the sheriffs to find one person in a crowd of 3000 guilty.
“Because of its vagueness, you can have a situation theoretically where somebody is saying something which is, on the face of it, offensive – it doesn’t have to be sectarian or racist and people do shout things at football matches – so there’s a potential there for criminalising football fans for what they have been doing for the past 150 years.
“These cases seem to be reflecting the concern a lot of lawyers – and not just defence lawyers but sheriffs as well – are having regarding this legislation.
“What it really seems to be doing is focusing on football behaviour as opposed to what many people see
as the real concern, which is sectarianism in Scotland.
“It seems we are criminalising people who are letting off steam in a relatively secure environment.”
Product design student Richmond was told he was a credible witness until he was asked about singing the song, when his evidence turned “decidedly lukewarm” and his confidence “evaporated”.
The Thistle song is supposed to celebrate the club’s neutrality from Old Firm bigotry with the line: “We hate the boys in royal blue, we hate the boys in emerald green, f*** your Pope and f*** your Queen.”
Richmond told the court that the song is only sung when Thistle play Celtic or Rangers and the lyrics represent taking a stand against religion in football.
Richmond, who has been going to games with his dad since he was six, said: “To me, from my understanding of the song, I don’t see how it can be offensive.”
But anti-sectarianism charity Nil By Mouth said they hoped that Richmond had learned his lesson.
Campaigns director David Scott said: “The use of this type of language at a match is no longer acceptable no matter what the context.
“Fans at all league clubs are warned on the back of their ticket and before the start of games that offensive singing or chanting is not allowed.
“Clearly, if this man wants to keep religion out of football, he should not have been singing what he did.”
When we contacted Richmond at his home, he declined to comment.
But a family friend said: “Adam has never been in trouble in his life. This has been hanging over for him for months and has been a terrible strain.
“He was the only one arrested even though he was in a group of about 300 fans.
“Adam has been told he will not have to declare this as a conviction when he goes for a job, which is a real relief.
“This is a song that the Thistle fans have been singing for years without any previous complaints.
“There is no intention of causing offence. All it really does is poke fun at Celtic and Rangers fans.”
Partick Thistle declined to comment on the case.
Regardless of whether it be Admin I or Admin II, NO club should be promoted when in Admin.
lionroars67
10:00 on 19 January, 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jan/18/jimmy-savile-abused-1000-victims-bbc?CMP=twt_gu
Astonishing claims regarding the BBC and Savile
######
The security services will have known all about Saville.
The interesting question is whether they told Thatcher what they knew.
hen1rik
09:19 on 19 January, 2014
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I have to agree with Goosy Goosy the deluded ones are going to have to pay up another twice once to line the spivs pockets and once to get started up again as…. well that is the mystery :))))
The security services will have known all about Saville.
The interesting question is whether they told Thatcher what they knew.
Allegedly Heath knew
ERNIE LYNCH
Or about McAlpine….
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS ………FC not PLC
11:07 on
19 January, 2014
As Tolstoy probably suspected, making cheap headlines is far easier than crafting good laws.
You could never accuse the rag Sunday Mail of cheap headlines
Thugs and Thieves……………………………………………
LIONROARS67
Haha,good point.
jungle Jim @ 11:03
haha very good! I bet oul sydneytim moved to oz cos he hates warm weather!
HEN1R1K
Well thought out and a good read mate. So, here’s to “There’s only one Babylon FC”.
Spot on but as they say, ain’t nuthin gonna change.They ARE the establishment, or put another way, the peepil.
Digression but I loved the movie Taxi Driver other than the slogan the wannabe party had, we are the peepil as I recall!! Spoiled a brilliant movie for me!!
KINGLuBO
Celtic is a tale of adventure, success, failure, exasperation and hope that will never cease to unfold. (Kevin McCarra)
stillsomequalityjournosCSC
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS ………FC not PLC
Did you get my wee quick Email yesterday bud?
Something was coming up on my computer saying problems sending from my hotmail
but its not there today
Sally should have been given a 90% wage cut, £80k pa is more than ample for managing a team of 3rd rate galacticos against assorted plumbers and posties.
If he was a real “Rangers man” he would be doing the job for expenses only, crawl over broken glass each morning to get to Auchenhowie, but he ain’t so he won’t.
Back in the real world a sparkling performance yesterday, must confess to roaring with delight when Stokesy took Lasley out, he went down in a McCullochesque writhing cowardly fashion but jumped up spritely after Madden dished out the red. McColl’s comments deserve a response from NL.
Madden and his team put in a performance that sums up Scottish football officialdom.
Surprised NL played Ledley in light of his protracted contract negotiations, NL had plenty options, if he is not committed to staying then there are plenty of seats in the players lounge for him- and Sammy and anyone else dragging their heels.
Looking forward to Johansen’s debut, my contacts in Norway speak of him in the very highest of terms.
Went to the game yesterday. Thought we were mostly very good and as much as I hate them I thought Motherwell were a good side.
There are a lot of people telling us things are very rosy at CP. It seems that another looming disaster at Ibrox makes things at CP great.
I was surprised at the crowd yesterday. Much bigger than I thought.
But the sad truth remains that celtic have been victimising the support and the GB situation is shameful for all of us. Our complacency as a support in accepting what has happened to a group of our fellow supporters is a disgrace. The clubs hierarchy have lied to us, whether by denying they were sending our personal details to the police or about safety certificates. The club have denied us free speech.
They also continue to treat the club as a poor form of Harlem globetrotters. Need a striker? Let’s buy a midfielder who is a project.
So to all of you settling back into a life of complacency. Ask yourself. Who’s next in the crowd to be arrested for criticising the team? What about the chap who wanted to report the supporters behind him for swearing? Or how about tony Donnelly who is busy putting together a dossier of transgressors on this site to oust them?
Or how about our host who informs us that we need CL income to survive having previously claimed we don’t budget for European income?and tells us we would be like Aberdeen without it.
I read the article on Scotland becoming a police state with interest and agreement. CQN and CP is beginning to feel like a mini version of that.
LEFTCLICKTIC
I did,mate.
Sadly in no fit state to reply at the time due to a slight over-indulgence!
I’ll be sure to wish yer missus a very happy birthday at the correct time.
Would you like me to do so a few days early,save you nipping down to the 24-hr garage?
I felt Madden was hoping to impress yesterday in the off chance his beloved Sevco draw the Champions in the Scottish Cup.
NEGANON
I find it difficult to disagree with much of what you say,and fair dos for putting it in print.
The board’s approach will alienate more supporters than it pleases,and I find that a strange way to run a business.
Anybody seen Mullet moan to STV online about A Stokes tackle ?
Was told on our bus yesterday, that the Police had lifted a young Stirling Bhoy, arriving at his his house at 03.40, for the alleged 200 seat damage at Motherwell
Young Bhoy not even at game, mistaken identity once taken to police station.
Hooooops, now if that was one of mine it wouldn’t stop there
Hail Hail
Mea culpa
Now I may be wrong here, but I doubt it very much that any one, or any company, or any business, who has been liquidated or is going through the process of liquidation, has EVER went into administration a second time, as I said I may be going out on a limb here, any one with information to the contreras I would welcome .
Cowiebhoy supporting the Celtic to 3 in a row
just been sent a photo on FB
Of a wean being led away by the police allegedly at the game yesterday for singing an irish song:))
IMHO Christine Grahame MacAskill and the lord advocate have a sin to answer for>
I suggest that Kevin McCarra drives at 29.9 miles per hour from now on.
COWIEBHOY
Someone should file for malicious prosecution in a case like that. Pre-dawn raids are usually reserved for armed suspects.