I received updates direct from last week’s Scottish Football League meeting shortly after it concluded. My information was that Neil Doncaster in particular was given a torrid time and that the mood among clubs was firmly against agreeing to place Sevco into the First Division.
Within a couple of hours it was clear that many in the media had been given a different impression and that if the vote was taken then, a ‘healthy majority would vote in favour’. To a degree I think we are all susceptible to messages we want to hear but it has been a feature of this debacle that executives from the national bodies have given clear guidance to the media that ‘Newco’ would be voted into the SPL, as it was, or now into the First Division.
On more than one occasion I’ve heard “You might have heard different, but Neil Doncaster told me….”
There is no shortcut for legwork and attention to detail. On this subject, credit to STV, who present informed information on how Friday’s vote is likely to pan out, with references. Of the 30 clubs in the SFL, the report 14 have declared an intention to vote against plans to plant Sevco into the First Division, one will abstain and one has (incorrectly) been told they are ineligible to vote. Another 14 are yet to declare.
It seems likely that the SFL vote will go the way of the SPL vote. There is a desire to retain the sporting element to our game among clubs, if not among administrators.
In a statement yesterday Clyde FC nailed several of the myths behind threats made to SFL clubs:
“We have obtained a copy of the Settlement Agreement signed up to by the SPL and the SFL in April 1998 – it is clear that the agreement is not ambiguous in this regard and there is no scope for the SPL to fail to meet the obligations to the SFL except by deliberately breaching the agreement… We have concluded that it defies credibility that the SPL clubs would instruct the SPL to deliberately breach a legal agreement.
“The matter is made worse because of the extent of uncertainty which hangs over Sevco. There is no need to prepare an exhaustive list of the issues as they are well publicised, however the extent of outstanding sanctions that may or may not be levied against a club which has yet to obtain SFA membership, together with the increasing number of possible commercial and legal challenges to the transactions to date simply presents a significant risk to the ability of the club to fulfil its fixtures in any league. Given that some of these matters are in the hands of the governing bodies it seems inexplicable that they are left hanging.”
In short, the Scottish Football League has a binding contract with the SLP which they are entitled to enforce. Clyde also refer on the matter we have discussed here for many weeks, Sevco are trying to buy a SFA membership which has significant outstanding disciplinary issues against it which could see the membership suspended. Instead of providing clarity, the SPL and SFA have refused to set deadlines of proceed with hearings.
We can speculate if SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan, will inform SFL clubs in person on Friday of plans to disband judicial oversight from our game instead of asking Lord Carloway’s panel to reconvene.
Despite the valiant efforts of many football fans and clubs, our game has been ruined by years of destructive, self-serving, leadership.
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ParkheadcumsalfordwhoisNeilLennonand PaulMcBrideandTrishGodman on 11 July, 2012 at 18:20 said:
On your part two I’ll e mail you if you give me the first couple of letters of your e mail to remind me what yours is.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 11 July, 2012 at 18:23 said:
You dont have sensibilities :)
Auldheid,
In between watching Celtic and Celtic reserves in my very young days, I used to watch Shettleston Juniors. In fact, I once watched them in the Junior final. Mind you, they got beat by Irvine Meadow. All the very best to your bhoy.
Vmhan on 11 July, 2012 at 18:17 said:
Auldheid we won’t lose the football fans, only the FF sectarian racists.
Oh and theIr children are welcome at CP to support the Celts.
Sorry for butting in bhoys :>)
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I fervently hope that by the time Sevco make a return they will no longer be dependent on the bigot pound but they will still have a sizeable support.
In an ideal world the process would be a fair one that would involve Sevco applying with others and then being excluded because it doesn’t meet the criteria..
But come Friday the best case scenario is Sevco in division 3. It’s not a solution that shows any integrity but it’s the best we will get
ParkheadcumsalfordwhoisNeilLennonand PaulMcBrideandTrishGodman on 11 July,
Was Bobby Carrol the ex Celtic winger not an Irvine Meadow product? Maybe scored in that final?
celticfc.net bless them, buy this buy that time to unite and support the team! shame they could nt be ersed to put info from last nights game on! give me cqn any day ! hail hail
Me innaw Auldheid, the decent Huns, if they can be found :>)
saltires
Thank you didn’t know about that show, – I’ll be listening out for ole Rory, whom I saw live at the Electric Gardens in Glasgow (with another CQN’r ) a long, long time ago.
‘crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ on 11 July, 2012 at 17:09 said:
This is sub-prime fitba’!
Ha! Spot on. Your other more serious point is also spot on – there is a real risk (apparently being ignored) that Sevco will not be able to field a team and/or finish their fixtures no matter what league they’re in. This is why it is so perplexing that there is so much rule-bending going on to accommodate them. I could understand it if they were in a strong financial position and had the team and infrastructure. But right now they don’t.
Saltires en sevilla 18.24.
Surely you mean toasted cheese @ tomato sprinkle with pepper,yummy.
Surprised at this league reconstruction proposal of 3 leagues of 14, as it would still take 3 promotions to get Sevco into the SPL over a minimum of 3 years.
Unless of course those at the top of Scottish football are certain that Sevco will be playing in SFL1 next season, that possibly being a (the?) condition of league reconstuction.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 11 July, 2012 at 18:30 said:
In an ideal world the process would be a fair one that would involve Sevco applying with others and then being excluded because it doesn’t meet the criteria..
But come Friday the best case scenario is Sevco in division 3. It’s not a solution that shows any integrity but it’s the best we will get
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Yup and that’s what I am hoping for. My point was that the SFA have realised, possibly with advice from Sevco, that an SFL1 start is no guarantee of a quick one season return to SPL so why take the risk and the flack and undermine reconstruction into the baragain.
Auldheid,
that vision cannot be achieved pandering to their sense of entitlement, which is what you do when you mistakenly declare that scenario,
again
gonnae no
neil south uist on 11 July, 2012 at 18:31 said:
Er, they could…
HH
If Sevco go bust while playing in SFL1, as I understand it they’d be relegated automatically.
What happens if they go bust while playing in SFL3?
Andrew Carnegie’s epitaph…
“Here lies a man who knew how to enlist the service of better men than himself.”
Vmhan
Any idea of the likelihood of hunnage descending on Blackpool this weekend?
Taking the Mrs and wondering if the wearing the hoops is a good idea…
So, just when there is THE vote coming up on Newco, yet another in a long list of “moving the goalposts” statements, and this one really is a belter.
Timing is everything – remember Longmuir asking everyone to back off and let the SFL have their vote ? that was just a few days ago wasnt it… since then, as it has become increasing likely that the SFL clubs, being hacked off with the bullying that was going on, were in danger of telling Newco to get lost, there have been a number of interjections, but this takes the biscuit.
And its a Joint Statement – so, how did this suddenly come about ? What meetings have taken place to sanction this ? Why was some of this not made public some time ago ?
Does anyone….. anyone… not think this is just another piece of bribery for the SFL clubs for the Friday meeting ?
NOW… every club in the SPL needs to make a statement to their fans about this…. NOW ! Not tomorrow, not the next day…. NOW !
The Prince of Goalkeepers on 11 July, 2012 at 18:34 said:
You are correct sir, I was basing my posts on it being two years. (should have done my own checking)
Here are the years (from rtc) although it is not beyond the bounds of possibility seating criteria or such like might bounce them up one into the second tier of new construct next season but that is a wait and see.
Re previous comments of 14 team leagues allowing Sevco to move to “SPL” more quickly?
won’t work
12/13 Old (Current) Division 3 – assume 1st place
13/14 Change to 3 x 14 team leagues – Sevco in New Div 3 along with all other 9 temas from “old Div 3 – assume promoted
14/15 Sevco new Div 2 – assume promoted
15/16 Sevco New Div 1 (“SPL”)
So would still take them as long to get back into the top league as current situation i.e. if go to current Div 3 and no change to leagues (and assuming promoted each year)
12/13 D3
13/14 D2
14/15 D1
15/16 SPL
bournesouprecipe on 11 July, 2012 at 18:32 said:
Hey thank BT he spotted it.
Jealous as hell mate:) the time I had a ticket for a gig at Apollo the boul Rory never trapped… He did play a later date but I missed it! One of my biggest regrets …
Pick up a jug o alcohol …
fanadpatriot on 11 July, 2012 at 18:33 said:
Saltires en sevilla 18.24.
Surely you mean toasted cheese @ tomato sprinkle with pepper,yummy.
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That might create a bigger debate than songs and poppies
I agree on the tomato and pepper/ paprika
But is it cheese on toast or toasted cheese ?
That my friend IS the question ;)
HH
stevebhoy
i must be losing it still cant see it need to go to specksavers i think
TheBouldBhoys
Correct
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Celtic/Celtic.htm
neil south uist on 11 July, 2012 at 18:47 said:
Lol. I hate to admit it, but (whisper it) I am wrong! They put it on the official facebook page. Knew i had seen something. Maybe the guy that does the website is off the day!
HH
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 11 July, 2012 at 18:34 said
Given my underlying premise re length of time was mistaken then its back to the drawing board.
Auldheid,
no need to go back,
your original position of standing up for sporting integrity, no compromise, simples, follow the rules, innit :o)
Satires en Sevilla 18.47
Culinary tip.
A thick end( heel) of plain bread,place slices of cheese on top,place slices of tomato on top, place under toaster,when ready sprinkle( heavily) with pepper,sit back and enjoy.
jamesmartincsc
BBC Scotland News@BBCScotlandNews
Gers ‘lost £4m’ in administration http://bbc.in/NLgq7F
Still think Fridays vote is an irrelevance.
The holders, of the club formerly known as TFODs assetts, whoever they maybe come the start of the new season, will be in no position put out a team to compete at any level of the professional game in Scotland.
My twa bobs worth.
Neil South Uist
It is on the official web site but buried about 3 levels down under ‘News’.
Not very Tim friendly, I would agree…
Doncaster Regan out now!!
I ve cast my vote .. Mon the hoops..
Can’t wait for new season..
Neil South Uist
In that case, told ye!
Here is the link!
http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=2779
HH
And thanks, Tim Malone…
I have faith the sfl members will do the right thing, join the queue with other applicants, more so than I had two weeks ago, hopefully OG Rafferty’s gem to be released soon, will be the straw that breakes the camels back.
tully57,
Will look out for you.
Hope to meet up with Ard Macha this week, if he’s not out marching.
Bournesoup……..
I have that picture in Willie Maley’s book.
we cannot overlook the fact that if regan, doncaster were out on a limb on this
and did not have the backing of spl chairmen they would be sacked end off,
money is the end game for all and i include celtic.
fanadpatriot on 11 July, 2012 at 18:56 said:
What a great recipe for melted Cheese & Tomato on Toast mmmm. The only problem here is they don’t do that plain bread here.
Let me know when your next trip down is, maybe you can bring a plain half for me.
Contact me at TLJD@me.com hope you are well.
Read the report on the game.
Couldnae believe the goalie could have been left stranded by a short pass back by ……………….. Yes, you’ve guessed it, Kelvin Wilson.
Some things never change.