I received updates direct from last week’s Scottish Football League meeting shortly after it concluded. My information was that Neil Doncaster in particular was given a torrid time and that the mood among clubs was firmly against agreeing to place Sevco into the First Division.
Within a couple of hours it was clear that many in the media had been given a different impression and that if the vote was taken then, a ‘healthy majority would vote in favour’. To a degree I think we are all susceptible to messages we want to hear but it has been a feature of this debacle that executives from the national bodies have given clear guidance to the media that ‘Newco’ would be voted into the SPL, as it was, or now into the First Division.
On more than one occasion I’ve heard “You might have heard different, but Neil Doncaster told me….”
There is no shortcut for legwork and attention to detail. On this subject, credit to STV, who present informed information on how Friday’s vote is likely to pan out, with references. Of the 30 clubs in the SFL, the report 14 have declared an intention to vote against plans to plant Sevco into the First Division, one will abstain and one has (incorrectly) been told they are ineligible to vote. Another 14 are yet to declare.
It seems likely that the SFL vote will go the way of the SPL vote. There is a desire to retain the sporting element to our game among clubs, if not among administrators.
In a statement yesterday Clyde FC nailed several of the myths behind threats made to SFL clubs:
“We have obtained a copy of the Settlement Agreement signed up to by the SPL and the SFL in April 1998 – it is clear that the agreement is not ambiguous in this regard and there is no scope for the SPL to fail to meet the obligations to the SFL except by deliberately breaching the agreement… We have concluded that it defies credibility that the SPL clubs would instruct the SPL to deliberately breach a legal agreement.
“The matter is made worse because of the extent of uncertainty which hangs over Sevco. There is no need to prepare an exhaustive list of the issues as they are well publicised, however the extent of outstanding sanctions that may or may not be levied against a club which has yet to obtain SFA membership, together with the increasing number of possible commercial and legal challenges to the transactions to date simply presents a significant risk to the ability of the club to fulfil its fixtures in any league. Given that some of these matters are in the hands of the governing bodies it seems inexplicable that they are left hanging.”
In short, the Scottish Football League has a binding contract with the SLP which they are entitled to enforce. Clyde also refer on the matter we have discussed here for many weeks, Sevco are trying to buy a SFA membership which has significant outstanding disciplinary issues against it which could see the membership suspended. Instead of providing clarity, the SPL and SFA have refused to set deadlines of proceed with hearings.
We can speculate if SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan, will inform SFL clubs in person on Friday of plans to disband judicial oversight from our game instead of asking Lord Carloway’s panel to reconvene.
Despite the valiant efforts of many football fans and clubs, our game has been ruined by years of destructive, self-serving, leadership.
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vmhan
Cheers
I agree too. My view is that sevco do not meet the SFL conditions for membership and so should not be afforded a place. But my view and the rules seems to matter little as the governors run amok.
I suspect the reason why there has been no ‘invite’ to the SPL is keeping the option open of ‘suspension’ and an 11 team SPL with no SFL vacancy at all.
The problem with a general SFL vacancy is that, once in, the newest club could not be removed to ‘re-open’ the sevco slot.
The best chance for sevco on a ‘suspension’ would be the vacancy carrying in the SPL.
Maybe I’m too paranoid now but our enemies are working hard at trying to protect the ole membership ‘transfer’ at all costs.
HH
I think the Voguepunters elbow slipped aff the armchair when he was posting that overly long link.
bliddyarmchairssupportersCSC
The FF huns have an absolute f’in cheek,I would die of embarrassment had the CST came out with that article if we were in such a mess.
They don’t pay the correct tax for years on top of using borrowed money and stealing prize money from other clubs yet have the f’in barefaced cheek to blame the country for not bailing them out with more money?!
I just wish FF would let us post as ourselves so we could challenge such a mentality,they are an absolute bastardin’ disgrace on Scotland,its beyond brass neckdom and pity,its disgusting.
Scotland’s Shame is too good a name for them.
‘the vast majority of our support is NON catholic.’
-really? As in non-Catholic/Protestant or non-Catholic/lapsed or non-Catholic faithless?
Sparkleghirl – BDO won’t care a jot about the effects on Scottish football of retrieving the assets. They’ll be there to achieve greatest return for the creditors, and this time they’re appointed by actual creditors.
Don’t expect the same Hollywood celeb style press conferences that we got from D&P.
Vogue
Thats to long. Bet its been a while since you heard that eh?? lol
From D&D No names attached to the various bodies, i thought UEFA said this was a parochial issue
10.11 Time costs of £884,165 have been incurred under the heading Strategy Management and Control. This largely includes dealing with the SFA, the SPL and UEFA, high level discussions with parties interested in purchasing the Club or its assets and discussions with stakeholders including politicians and supports associations. A large element of this category of time cost also relates to dealing with media enquiries, understanding historic transactions and formulating ongoing strategies regarding the several strands of litigation which the Joint Administrators are involved in for the benefit of the Club and its creditors.
Monaghan1900 on 11 July, 2012 at 12:41 said:
I wondered what happened to the old ‘No one likes us, we don’t care’ line? It’d look quite good on their gravestone though.
voguepunter on 11 July, 2012 at 12:57 said:
Forget it ,wizny that funny.
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Dont be too hard on yirself Vogue, I think yir funny :¬)
HH
Starry plough
When did ‘Protestantism’ become a religion???
The next thing you’ll be telling us is that the Orange Order is its militant wing!!!
HH..
Old habits die hard.. Today’s Glasgow Herald Sport reports the hoops match on p5, the previous 4 given over to slanted angles on saving the tax dodgers with no name.. ( how dead is dead?). They even squeeze in a pic of Mc Gregor to satisfy the wailing masses..
Celtic WE are up and running …
HH
….PFayr on 11 July, 2012 at 12:53 said:
Not taking the Lillian Gish going by responses and fact that the learned author has over 2k posts.
They don’t get it….any of it.
HH
Ceaser67 /Vmhann
I’m telling Paul67,youz are mentally bullying me :O(
Can I just ask what industries/sectors still feature heavily biased workplaces (of any persuasion)? I’ve been working for 16 years and never managed to find myself in such an environment.
Weeminger – the Vatican? ;/)
Monaghan1900 on 11 July, 2012 at 12:41 said:
Magnificent “article” from FF. Telling it like it is. Love the bit about handouts from the public purse:
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Aye……magnificent tripe.
:-)
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) on 11 July, 2012 at 12:57 said:
It’s funny how their hatred of the club is purely down to their misheld belief that we are a ‘Catholic’ club when in actual fact the vast majority of our support is NON catholic.
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An interesting assertion. Do you mean practising Catholics or supporters drawn from a non catholic background? Interested to know. I carried out a very limited calculation of Catholics that actually attend CP ( That is those who regulary attend Mass) based on census results from Scotland and reports of number of people who attend mass in this country published by the church. For no other reason than it was something to do and i was bored, anyway i estimated that at a full CP 12,000 of those at the game would be practising Catholics. Probably a load of BS as not in any way researched or quantified but an interesting parallel to your post.
It took more time talking to the SFA, SPL EUFA and politicians! thereby incurring the highest labour costs of 884 grand, it seems Ogilvie,Regan and Doncaster had a lot of meetings with D&D
In total £489,910.50 of time costs relates to the sale process undertaken by the Joint Administrators.
There are £679,215 of time costs incurred in the period which relate to the Trading Operations of the Club.
Catholic?
Celtic’s entire support is of course catholic since our support is universal or broad. It is of course not entirely Roman Catholic as a Christian DENOMINATION.
As a Scot of Protestant extraction I enjoy using the word ‘catholic’ when referring to anything broad. It helps expose those of Scottish (and other) protestant extarction who have WASP and WATP tendancies
HH
Paul67 et al
So Jim Ballantyne is going to provide SFL members with “information” today. Would that spell out the threatened loss of income to each club should they apply some integrity to their vote on Friday. A vote, which Clyde FC believe they should not be having. Maybe Jim has been spending too much time in Linfield recently (who are on course to meet Celtic after getting through last night), but the recent statement from Stenhousmuir specified £50,000. Vote for Rangers or get fined fifty grand. How much more information do the clubs need?
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby on 11 July, 2012 at 13:03 said:
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Exactly…..and on the day when the scum are marchin’ round Ulster like the kkk lookin’ for someone to lynch.
BDO
I have high hopes for them. They’ve just finished the Farepak liquidation and managed to recover about 50% for those ripped off. From a starting point of ZERO that looks like a good job to me.
Bring on the BDO…………….
HH
What will the SFA/SPL/SFL do if Charles Greens Sevco go into administration before the end of the 2013 /2014 season.
IF Charles Green can’t pay running costs. (do they even have banking/overdraft facilities?)
Oldhuns running costs were around 3 or 4 million quid per month and sevco may cost only half of that but it still equates to about 20 million quid per season, quite a few season tickets need to be sold at division 3 prices to run that business! I reckon he will need 40,000 season tickets at £500 a greyskull to break even, and who wants to pay £500 to see the kid on 2nd rate gers playing east stirling on a Wednesday night.
You know, when the old huns were on their knees I was never really completely sure exactly which obstacle would deal them the finishing blow and push them over the edge. (lord knows we waited long enough)The new all shiny sevco are not really any better off, as far as I can see.
8 million quid of debt debt inherited from the takeover,
26 million debt due to agent whyte/ticketus,
plus whatever debt they run up in the next few months means that any potential billionaire buyers will need to start the bidding at over 35 million quid or they go back into administration. A very possible/probable scenario.
Without fear or favour? I would be feart of favouring them if I was the SFA
some thoughts
promise of 16 team league by 2015 – for an yes vote, but i’d bet my life if they vote for 3rd division entry the league will be restructure to have thems in the premier league in two season i.e. 16 – 14 – 14
starting an spl 2 requires 8 clubs if its 2 x 10 outside the first division how many clubs met the seating critiria.(stronger together)
fairer distribution of commercial income will get voted through now that oldco are dead/ voting structure will change anyway.
scottish football has now said there are to many governing bodies, so change will happen, the process has began alread to continue will a system you yourself have said is not working is a sackable offence.
sky t.v’s desire to have 4 x celtic vs. rangers games at the insistance of sky has led to the non-competitive nature of our games. small league = to many games against the same team = boring for fans, to few ups and downs
scottish football should be looking to start up its own t.v channel, how many people have to buy sky and espn to watch our game, thats 30/ 40 pounds a month. 10.00 per month for live games, extended highlights of all division driven by the promotional ‘ our game’, advertising, pay-per-view for celtic vs. newco etc… should see more income that the awful deals in place at present.
short term pain for long term gain, our games is dying and its not because of oldco’s death, it is because we have sold ourself short and the t.v companies know our clubs dont have the balls to say ‘ wait a minute’ we can do better, we dont need sharp suits, we need entrepreneurs, people with vision
no to newco is the beginning of something massive for scoiitsh football, a yes to newco is the beginning of the end
Thank heaven for Internet Bampots, Mr Turnbull Hutton & Clyde FC.
Turnbull Hutton, Raith Rovers Chairman suggests that all SFL clubs should just send their mascots to the crucial meeting at Hampden.
HH
Just read the article from FF.The writer comes over as being articulated well educated etc.If it was not about Rangers it would be believable and I’am sure the writer believes every word.Talk about them being brainwashed its quite scarey.
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Lesson 2, next week – how to LOOK LIKE A RAGING RAGER FROM FF
Jeez – I bet the powers that be wish that they could just rewind the clock a few weeks and suspend them – that would have allowed a year to get the fudge sorted out.
Ever since the CVA didn’t happen, the grand rescue plan seems to have stumbled from one setback to the next. Those pesky SPL supporters not buying season tickets obviously wasn’t envisaged and now we have SFL diddy-teams who can actually afford integrity since they’ve got nae erse in their troosers anyway.
I think that there are political pressures afoot – but it makes you wonder why the CVA was never agreed to by HMRC in the first instance as that decision has been the root of all subsequent problems.
Gaun yersel Hector…
Some reaction. Can’t be easy to type in a straightjacket. Fair play to them there:
“Scotland is now a republican Cesspit where a minority within a minority is dictating to the majority.
It’s an amazing country where the minority referred to has successfully infiltrated the press, Television, the Judiciary, Financial Services and even the Football association that runs the country.
Surprisingly this institution has even managed to turn the majority of ‘Footballing’ people in Scotland irrespective of creed or colour against Rangers Football Club while turning a blind eye to the many despicable incidents including the effective intimidation of Scottish Football referees perpetrated by Celtic FC, ( a football club whose supporters detest both the Union Flag and the Saltire preferring the Irish Tricolour and boo British Troops, not to mention their disrespect for Armistice Sunday and its traditions).
At the same time the Scottish Kirk, of which many supporters of Rangers would be affiliated have not even indicated a sympathy for the stricken Club but rather would have their ‘Chimpanzees Tea parties’ with their counterparts from the Church of Rome and no doubt join with their newly found friends in demonising us at the first opportunity.
And we wonder why we feel unwanted!
Not only does Scotland not deserve Rangers but it doesn’t deserve the hard working and in some cases wealthy men and women that are supporters of the club and who pay their taxes in a country that just doesn’t care for the majority any more!”
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“A great summation of things in Scotland just now.
We should be presenting this to the English FA and UEFA and from that presentation, we should be allowed into the bottom tier of English Football.”
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“Outstanding again by the OP. Articulate and reasoned. As has been said, that post deserves a wider audience, why not start a blog of some sort?”
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“[T]hat was one hell of a well-written, and intelligent article.
The short and sharp conclusion; “Frankly, Scotland doesn’t deserve Rangers any more.” was pure genuis.”
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Wish I hadn’t started this.
Dontbrak…
Don’t be obtuse non catholic is not anti catholic, non catholic as in…
Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Christian or Muslim (no offence to any religion I have missed out; agnostic is not a religion either btw)
And before im shot down, wrongly, again under European law YOU CANNOT be a religion if your main purpose is to preach against, practice against or PROTEST against a legally recognised religion.
The OO is not, can not and WILL NEVER BE a religion in the same way Romulinism, Scientology and Protestantism are not
hahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Not only does Scotland not deserve Rangers but it doesn’t deserve the hard working and in some cases wealthy men and women that are supporters of the club and who pay their taxes in a country that just doesn’t care for the majority any more!”
Oh the irony!
Is the blog still working?
I’m not too bothered where Sevco play this season, though justice and sporting integrity demand that they should not be playing anywhere in the SPL or SFL.
What is more important for me is that Rangers are stripped of all titles gained through cheating, so that it is in the records for ever. And also that the SFA becomes a body that can be trusted to run the game properly in Scotland. That means Regan has to go. (The presence of Ogilivie has long since made a mockery of Scottish football.)
I don’t think that Doncaster and Regan can be trusted to conclude the investigation into dual contracts. Doncaster still hasn’t finished the investigation into sectarian singing at the Bigotdome in February!
Good to see the Bhoys in Germany enjoy a bit of sun – pictures coming in from Celtic twitter.
Heard it’s a bit soggy in the UK at the moment. Never mind, just think if you had to suffer the crap weather AND your club had just died.
Guy I work with is a Falkirk season ticket holder,elder of the Church of Scotland .His take on it is simple, at best it should be 3rd Div even then he does not think they qualify for that.
It’s an amazing country where the minority referred to has successfully infiltrated the press, Television, the Judiciary, Financial Services and even the Football association that runs the country.
What a fiendishly clever group that minority is, even those in positions of power of all those areas listed by FF dont even know they are in the minority grouping, sheer genius…………………………………………
Tried to post a link to Video Celts’ story about SFA and UEFA rejecting Oldco’s application for a licence for this coming season.