As reported in The Herald yesterday, the judiciary, police and Crown Office Prosecution Service (COPS) colluded in an “unlawful” manner against individuals who were simultaneously subject of a campaign by prominent Rangers supporters over control of the club’s assets before and after liquidation.
Sheriff Lindsay Wood granted police 22 warrants in an investigation into the takeover of Rangers at a time when a high-profile campaign was underway against the same people to secure the assets of the club post-administration and liquidation by ‘real Rangers people’. The Herald also reported that Wood was a prominent Rangers fan who attended games, social events and displayed a photo of Ibrox in his office.
Accusations of collusion by police against groups of individuals are common, but it is rare to find the judiciary and prosecution services involved. It is rarer still that they go after white-collar professionals. If this is what they will do for their team against accountants and lawyers, what would they do to you?
No less an authority than sheriff principle for Glasgow and Strathkelvin concluded Wood “submitted a misleading report”. Senior investigating officer, Chief Inspector Jim Robertson, chanted a Rangers song during interviews. A judge ruled that Robertson gave evidence that was “patently untrue” and acted in an “intimidatory”, “threatening” and reprehensible” manner.
Sheriff Wood accepted his failings and announced he would retire in May this year. So far, compensation payments to victims have reached £40m. Remember, this is only what was published in The Herald yesterday. Fair play to them, if ever you wonder why we need a strong traditional media, this is it.
Let’s be clear, however, there is a lot more that has not come out. If you think Wood and Robertson were architects of this, you are wildly mistaken. Only the Scottish Government have the ability to look deeper, but there are some clear lines to follow up.
When this was all happening, individuals working on this put themselves at significant personal risk and have since wisely gone to ground. While I think that risk has passed, it is not my gamble to take. But I know for sure if the Scottish Government took a hard look at the COPS, their prosecution decisions and their unprecedented leaking of information to the press – by official email (which I’ve seen), they would find out what we all know but some prefer to ignore.
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AN TEARMANN
“I only ask as the last time such stats were used on these pages it turned out the poster was a racist skank”
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You will of course have links to the last time such stats were used on these pages, where? when? who?
Still kudos to the poster who managed to find them when a Catholic Archbishop, with all his resources, could not.
Great attempt at deflection on your part from the cover-up of sectarian attacks on Catholics in 21st century Scotland though.
Can’t have Scotland’s dirty little secret getting out now, can we?
The European Union might be watching, and then what?
if jota starts tomorrow make sure he’s playing outside left as he is wasted on the right side
CONNAIRE12 on 13TH JANUARY 2023 5:31 PM
Just finished reading Walfrid by Dr Michael Connolly. A tremendous read that gives a clear insight into the poor Irish in Glasgow in the Brother’s time here. Leaving family at 15 years old to journey to Glasgow to find a new life must have been ordeal for him. How he must have recalled the horror of The Great Hunger and this called him to a life of working constantly for the poor and needy not only in Glasgow but where ever he lived out his religious vocation.
I had a particular interest in the book because my maternal grandmother was born at 335 Gallowgate in 1882 and was baptised in St Mary’s Abercrombie Street and went to the parish school. Perhaps she was one of the children fed at the Brother’s table for poor children.
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I did a double take there and checked. Yup. My Grandad Patrick was born on 25th May1881 at…….
335 Gallowgate Glasgow. !!!
My dad Patrick was born in 4 Well St Dec 1909
and I Patrick was born in 151 Gallowgate Glasgow on 22 June 1946 to complete the Calton Triangle.
151 Gallowgate tenement still stands with a Billy Connolly mural painted on the gable end.
My great grandad would have arrived in Glasgow from Ireland sometime before 1881 but I’ve not got a record.
My grandmother born in Scotland like my grandad but her dad was born in Ireland in 1836 ,
Napoli 14/1 to win the Champions League 🤔
AN TEARMANN on 13TH JANUARY 2023 8:43 PM
ERNIE LYNCH on 13TH JANUARY 2023 8:08 PM
AN TEARMANN on 13TH JANUARY 2023 7:38 PM
It goes back to the Reformation and how Presbyterian Scotland differentiated itself from those crypto Papists down south.
We are living with that culture today.
Well if thats your point in time so be it.i disagree.
To me it is a lot more complex historically but fits your ideal.
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There was 300 years of that Calvinist stuff going unchallenged permeating every aspect of Scottish life, embedding itself as being the essence of Scotland. Then came an influx of Papists from Ireland threatening to swamp and outbreed the natives. An affront to God and man. Hence the warm welcome.
SAINT STIVS on 13TH JANUARY 2023 8:03 PM
‘we overtook them, their hold on society is done apart from these shitey things of pretending a football club still exists.’
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Good of you to let us have the party line.
Auldheid
” If I am right then the reason why PL’s return invokes real fear is that he will change a policy that is working well for one that had been proven not to have worked to the benefit of football operations, the core reason why Celtic exist.”
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This worries me big time, great post BTW.
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Chairbhoy-SFTB-Auldheid
I, like Auldheid and your goodselfs have no clue, just an inclination of how things work at Celtic, given I know how a normal PLC works, but as we are a football club as well, it does work slightly differently, problem is the core at Celtic is the PLC and it should be the football club, but what I do know is what I was told a day or so ago from someone who works inside Celtic park, they said the king was back, I asked for elaboration to no avail, there was a caveat though that things will become clear, I have no idea what to take from that other than wait and see, the tone wasn’t negative, so who knows.
Chairbhoy-SFTB-Auldheid
I, like Auldheid and your goodselfs have no clue, just an inclination of how things work at Celtic, given I know how a normal PLC works, but as we are a football club as well, it does work slightly differently, problem is the core at Celtic is the PLC and it should be the football club, but what I do know is what I was told a day or so ago from someone who works inside Celtic park, they said the king was back, I asked for elaboration to no avail, there was a caveat though that things will become clear, I have no idea what to take from that other than wait and see, the tone wasn’t negative, so who knows.
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Hi K
My hope would be Henrik returns to show our strikers how to take their chances. ⚽⚽⚽
KEEPTHE FAITH
After reading yerself Paul and PhilMac’s latest – https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2023/01/13/paying-the-penalty-for-the-death-of-rangers/#more-28692 – it seems we’re not paranoid enough.
Someone said that BBC Scotland news didn’t mention this at all – wtaf !!
A couple of real gaspers that beg some further unpacking
‘Sheriff Wood accepted his failings and announced he would retire in May this year…’
Failings?
His actions were bordering on malicious criminality yet he will face no fine or other penalty. Sorta a case of ‘I’ve been rumbled so I think it’s time to retire, no doubt on a state-supported pension.’ Just WOW.
And…
‘If you think Wood and Robertson were architects of this, you are wildly mistaken. ‘
Cute teaser Paul…any chance our beautiful game’s governors have fingers in this decidedly whiffy pie ?
Bracing for a top of 37C today – time to jump on the cycle before the peak heat descends.
NOTPARANOIDENOUGH CSC
Prestonpans
Card and cash. You’re buying. 😆
👍
Tony
Aye, that would be near the top of my list too.
I have the faith that they will start taking them, the old bones are feeling Ok about it >:)
HH
I,m in Queens Park Cafe with ma bhoy.
Roll on tomorrow.
Yeahhh.
Just a wee heads up for this weekend’s MOTM voting.
I’m out on another wee (ahem) social event on Sunday evening and so the Man Of The Match results following our Semi Final probably won’t be out until Monday morning. Voting will still officially close on Sunday night at 10pm but any that sneak in shortly after that might possibly be allowable too 😉
Hot Smoked@7.08
Sorry, just reading back.
I think you are right. I was curious to see how much coverage the story got from Scottish msm, so watched the programme with that in mind.
Don’t know about Scotland Today as I can’t abide blue tie McKay or Raman Bawbag.
CHAIRBHOY on 13TH JANUARY 2023 5:30 PM
AN TEARMANN @ 12:27 PM,
From last thread…
Few would suggest that you are not a freethinker that’s for sure
It wasn’t me that decided Big Pedro should return as Chairman, so the opening of a new chapter is down to our autocrat – what PL’s brief is we’ll find out soon enough
Can you imagine if that energy was used say in digging into the 21% of share capital stuck on fridges or in frames but neutered come agm vote As it defaults to board,if so,we would have a more dynamic share base.
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Now there’s a smart suggestion, I know there has been an attempt to find small shareholders but I didn’t know there vote defaulted to the Board, of course it would though
It’s quite a substantial percentage and well worth the effort to persue these individuals.
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Even if all of the lost shareholder were found what would they be voting on at the AGM bar the standard resolutions to elect board members?
Except for Resolution 12 and its subsequents, it is the Celtic Trust who traditionally present resolutions to the AGM and they are formed within the CST and a vote taken within the CST to adopt them to then obtain a minimum of 100 shareholders to sign that they want that resolution added to the AGM agenda.
How do the missing shareholders get a say in what resolutions are presented to the AGM if the numbers voting are in their thousands ? What about the thousands of non shareholders who have ST’s who represents them?
The flaw in the current approach was exposed at the 2021 AGM when a Note of Concern resolution backed with evidence of areas of concern was voted for by CST members , but the CST Board with plenty of time to then lodge it with Celtic, got caught out by the earlier than usual AGM date, but proceeded to sanitise what their members voted for. I don’t know the numbers but the intervention without consultation cost CST some members.
It is the CST who are trying to find lost shareholders, but how do they entice them to join the CST and explain how doing so gives the joiner a choice into what goes to the AGM for them to proxy their vote to the CST?
Getting Res12 on the books was a learning experience but what made it manageable was that the resolution itself was created by CQN posters via CQN and such was the subject matter it was not too difficult to create a resolution for 100 to sign up to.
It will be less easy if the number to be consulted is in its thousands and even then will there be enough votes accumulated to outvote the PLC if it opposes any resolution?
The other difficulty with the AGM route is it opens itself to confrontation rather than agreement once a year.
Far better the method of tabling resolutions is made easier and done throughout the year not at bun fight once a year.
The Celtic Company Secretary saw merit in these points when put to him last summer and at last AGM in the AGM Notice ,shareholders were invited to raise issues with him by e mail to the third party Share Company for discussion at AGM.
It was new and without sufficient publicity and time to use, not many if any took that road although one from SC on Referees got lost en route.
There is a bit of tidying up to do to make the process even smoother and when The Tracy Crouch recommended changes to how the FA in England operates become law in 2024, then the Scottish Government will find it difficult to not follow suit particularly as one recommendation calls for independent oversight of the FA and another for greater supporter involvement with clubs using a Shadow Board.
There is also the mountain of evidence of SFA skulduggery to support a case that making the SFA subject to the same law in Scotland as the FA will be in England is a very good idea .
I believe the CST had also identified the Shadow Board idea and it is an obvious one for them to pitch on but the case will become even stronger once the TC recommendations become law in England and the Shadow Board irresistible if law in Scotland.
Supporters with an interest of having more of a say and independent oversight of the SFA need to do a bit of homework now and the necessary information can be found in links in this Phil MacGiolla Bhain informative blog,
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2023/01/06/the-value-of-outsiders-on-planet-fitba/#more-28635
That change to the process of raising issues throughout a year with The Company Secretary, who has to handle resolutions in their current form, could be the start of meaningful supporter engagement that the TC recommendations, if SG pass them into law will require a change of approach.
A change that can remove much of the corruption that has pervaded Scottish football from at least 2000 when Rangers started their use of ebts,
AN TEARMANN on 13TH JANUARY 2023 8:30 PM
PAULSTHROUGHBALL88 on 13TH JANUARY 2023 5:28 PM
UPTHEHOOPS
I’m sure the ‘wha’s like us?’ attitude to which you allude had nothing to do with the difficulty the then Bishop Tartaglia had in accessing statistics regarding sectarian attacks in Scotland.
He had complained that hundreds of Crown Office documents on sectarian crimes had been destroyed, preventing a fuller analysis of the issue.
“Since Catholics represent just 16% of Scotland’s population, the fact that they account for almost 60% of the victims of sectarian crime reflects poorly on modern Scotland and is an indicator of entrenched hostility on a worrying scale.”
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You will have links to what your posting when you quote from our late Archbishop Tartaglia.it would be good to show them.when? Where? Time?
I only ask as the last time such stats were used on these pages it turned out the poster was a racist skank who would not offer a refugee a hand.His aim was political,but he done nothing but step on land mines,in attempting to weaponize the faith for his end.ludicrous
Its above that.
Ps.i thought the variance was greater.
HU
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Thats my full post which you edit,☝️
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PAULSTHROUGHBALL88 on 13TH JANUARY 2023 9:01 PM
AN TEARMANN
“I only ask as the last time such stats were used on these pages it turned out the poster was a racist skank”
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You will of course have links to the last time such stats were used on these pages, where? when? who?
Still kudos to the poster who managed to find them when a Catholic Archbishop, with all his resources, could not.
Great attempt at deflection on your part from the cover-up of sectarian attacks on Catholics in 21st century Scotland though.
Can’t have Scotland’s dirty little secret getting out now, can we?
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Oh dear.
You have no link to what your making up?
Its your post,you quote of my late Archbishop Tartaglia
Name the periodical flourish,etc.wont wait up to late.
“Still kudos to the poster who managed to find them when a Catholic Archbishop, with all his resources, could not”
AT- He didnt find them,like you he made them up.
Unlike you he didnt suggest Archbishop said it
“Great attempt at deflection on your part from the cover-up of sectarian attacks on Catholics in 21st century Scotland though.”
AT- so let me get this clear now,
I ask you for a link to what our late àrchbishop said?
A link you are not providing
And i am deflecting!
You sure.lol
🙏
Can’t have Scotland’s dirty little secret getting out now, can we?
Is that for effect? It could be shoit.then again you could
be making it up.
I will await your link so no need to reply,
AN TEARMANN on 13TH JANUARY 2023 10:46 PM
Is this what you’re looking for?
‘Most Scottish religious hate crimes ‘target Catholics’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15790225
Ernie
There was 300 years of that Calvinist stuff going unchallenged permeating every aspect of Scottish life, embedding itself as being the essence of Scotland. Then came an influx of Papists from Ireland threatening to swamp and outbreed the natives. An affront to God and man. Hence the warm welcome.
They didnt need welcome they were kickin bout the preceeding 1100 years to that.lols
HH
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 13TH JANUARY 2023 12:55 PM
Excellent post Sir
AN TEARMANN
I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
I don’t believe any poster on here ever put up the stats on sectarian attacks on Catholics that the SNP government claimed they couldn’t produce, following the then Bishop’s request as they’d been ‘destroyed’
You say someone did.
Are you saying that it is news to you that the Church had requested such statistical data from the SG?
My memory isn’t that good that I can remember that quote I produced.
And I certainly didn’t make it up.
Maybe it’s the way you demand information from some posters that makes me reluctant to jump to your call.
And the way you sling accusations about.
So practise what you preach, who’s the poster and where are the stats?
ERNIE LYNCH on 13TH JANUARY 2023 10:50 PM
AN TEARMANN on 13TH JANUARY 2023 10:46 PM
Is this what you’re looking for?
‘Most Scottish religious hate crimes ‘target Catholics’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15790225.
Thanks for link Ernie that will cover your fellow anonymous moniker :-)
There is actually an update on those 2010 figures,i will try dig them out and ask around but as my initial memory is the variance was wider(figures worse)
HH
THE EXILED TIM on 13TH JANUARY 2023 9:49 PM
Auldheid
” If I am right then the reason why PL’s return invokes real fear is that he will change a policy that is working well for one that had been proven not to have worked to the benefit of football operations, the core reason why Celtic exist.”
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This worries me big time, great post BTW.
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Chairbhoy-SFTB-Auldheid
I, like Auldheid and your goodselfs have no clue, just an inclination of how things work at Celtic, given I know how a normal PLC works, but as we are a football club as well, it does work slightly differently, problem is the core at Celtic is the PLC and it should be the football club, but what I do know is what I was told a day or so ago from someone who works inside Celtic park, they said the king was back, I asked for elaboration to no avail, there was a caveat though that things will become clear, I have no idea what to take from that other than wait and see, the tone wasn’t negative, so who knows.
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One possibility (I can dream can’t I) is that PL comes clean , explains why Rangers behaviour put Celtic (and the other clubs) between a rock and hard place hence the 5WA.
Admits where he got it wrong – not opposing the same club idea but acted in what he and The Celtic Board thought was in Celtic the Company interests, says the LNS Decision should be set aside because Rangers did get competitive advantage and the titles won through that advantage should be removed.
Thanks Res12 shareholders for ploughing the FSR road and using the reimbursement of Res12 legal costs to add to the Foundation Xmas appeal and, finally, wishes he had trusted me from the beginning.
It’s a dream I said, calm yer jets.
A more realistic possibility in relative terms is that DD is not getting any younger and PL is to look at the options when DD shuffles off or sells his shares.
Irish butt of English racism for more than eight centuries – THE INDEPENDENT
Anti-Irish racism is as old as the 12th century: it is not the result of IRA terrorism. Even Irish jokes go back at least to the 16th century and chroniclers as long ago as 1187 were attacking the Irish for their filth and ignorance.
Dr Mary Hickman, director of the Irish Studies Centre at the University of North London, says in her book, Religion, Class and Identity, that since the Anglo-Norman invasion in the 12th century the English have tried to justify their attacks on Ireland by racism. She said yesterday: “Many people assume that current English hostility or discrimination towards the Irish is the result of events in Northern Ireland so they see it as regrettable but understandable.”
Dr Hickman, who is conducting a nationwide study of discrimination against the Irish for the Equal Opportunities Commission, argues that Ireland is important to the security of England and successive generations have tried to justify invasion and colonisation by stereotyping the Irish as wild and uncivilised.
The Pope sanctioned the Anglo-Norman invasion on the grounds that Ireland was alleged to be only nominally Christian. Dr Hickman says: “The evidence for dominating Ireland has involved lengthy discussions on the Irish national character directly linked to notions about the Celts as a “race” or the Irish as a nation.
The emphasis prior to the 16th century was on the paganism, superstition and barbarism of the Irish. Before then, Dr Hickman says, the caricature concentrated on their wildness and savagery.
From the reign of Elizabeth 1, the English began systematically to colonise Ireland and the stereotype became more detailed: in particular the notion of the Irish as “stupid” became common. “Most of this was designed to show how English rule could be used to benefit the Irish,” says Dr Hickman.
An anonymous contemporary of Shakespeare included a very ignorant and wild Irishman in the play Sir John Oldcastle, based partly, scholars think on MacMorris in Henry V.
During the 16th and 17th centuries, the stereotype changed: the half- human savage became a figure of contempt. In the 19th century more details of the stereotype, such as idleness and drinking, were filled in.
English attitudes to the Irish are closely connected to anti-Catholicism. Dr Hickman’s book points out that a separate system of Roman Catholic schools grew up because of the hostility of English working class parents to having their children educated alongside Irish children. It was not the case that the Catholics insisted on their own schools.
A spokesman for the Commission of Racial Equality said they had commissioned their study because there was mounting concern about discrimination against those of Irish origin in the workplace and at schools.
Religion, Class and Identity; Mary J Hickman; Avebury.
Words from the history of a nation’s prejudice
12th century: “A most filthy race … sunk in vice, a race more ignorant than all other nations of the first principles of the faith … They pay neither tithes nor first fruits; they do not contract marriage, nor shun incestuous connections” – Giraldus Cambrensis.
18th century: The Irish are “buried in the most profound barbarism and ignorance” – David Hume.
1836: Irish immigration into Britain “is an example of a less civilised population spreading itself as a substratum beneath a more civilised community” – parliamentary inquiry into the Irish in Britain.
1930s: “They (the Irish) have settled into the closest poor quarter and turned the settlement into a slum” – J. B. Priestley.
1950s: “No Irish need apply” – lodging house notice.
SFTB
You cynic you. I’m talking about proper policy papers that set out benefits of adopting a policy how to get them and risks to not achieving them.
Verifiable indicators that the policy is working .
The difference in recruitment in terms of speed, quality and value for money could be one such indicator even if its not written down, it is verifiable by comparison to previous years.
Because we do not know anything else, positive or negative, is just made up based on past experience which may no longer apply but we don’t know that either.
Lets face compared to all of what there is to know, we all know SFA. :)
AN TEARMANN
An anonymous moniker?
There’s a novel idea.
ERNIE LYNCH
Thanks for trying to keep the wean quiet.
Wasn’t the BBC report I read, but it does confirm the quote, thanks, that MR Real Name suggested was being made up.
The article I read was from the Herald, November 19th, 2011, by Robbie Dinwoodie, headlined “TWO SCOTS CHARGED WITH SECTARIAN CRIME EACH DAY”. (Busy guys).
And he can Google it if he’s that keen.
Now I’ll with no breath being held await his evidenced claim.
Because we do not know , anything else, positive or negative, is just made up based on past experience, which may no longer apply but we don’t know that either.
Paul 67,
A powerful and poignant article.
” A lot more has not come out ” Indeed
Judicary, Prosecution Service, Police, Media .
Bought and sold with SG gold. !!!
HH.
SCULLYBHOY on 13TH JANUARY 2023 11:12 PM
’18th century: The Irish are “buried in the most profound barbarism and ignorance” – David Hume.’
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You think the father of The Scottish Enlightenment was an Englishman?
FFS.
PAULSTHROUGHBALL88 on 13TH JANUARY 2023 11:06 PM
AN TEARMANN
Ptb-I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.
At- no it wasnt,you quoted the late Archbishop
I asked for a link.i got bluster
Ptb-I don’t believe any poster on here ever put up the stats on sectarian attacks on Catholics that the SNP government claimed they couldn’t produce, following the then Bishop’s request as they’d been ‘destroyed’
You say someone did.
At-Yup they did,their pick up of stats was wrong,not only compared to Ernies 2010 figures but his were manicured falsely for his own political ends
Ptb-Are you saying that it is news to you that the Church had requested such statistical data from the SG?
At- where are you extrapolating that question from?
I was asking you for link Ernie provided
Ptb-My memory isn’t that good that I can remember that quote I produced.
And I certainly didn’t make it up.
At-Ernie provided a link.its fine.your integrity is intact
Ptb-Maybe it’s the way you demand information from some posters that makes me reluctant to jump to your call.
At- all i can say its words.and the betterment of Celtic and our community at its core.dont be lured into some false digital persona bogey man,am no it!
Ptb- And the way you sling accusations about.
At- No accusations i asked you to evidence your claim,Ernie provided-as i re state your integrity is intact.
Ptb- So practise what you preach, who’s the poster and where are the stats?
At – you want me to name the poster who was weaponizing his own made up shoit insofar as assaults on catholics goes?
Ok Come to the corner,pre St.Mirren game,put a face to the moniker.introduce yourself,
HH
AULDHEID
Thanks for giving me something to read.
Good stuff.
AN TEARMANN
It’s difficult to ascertain tone at times when reading posts, but your latest reply reads fairer to me than previous exchanges we’ve had.
My tone probably didn’t come over well after the weaponization of the Church remark was made either.
So, now that you’ve acknowledged that I didn’t mischievously misquote the late Archbishop, I’ll try to take the personal out of any future posts replying to or addressing you, though I reserve the right to retaliate if necessary!
As regards the invite to the corner, I don’t feel at all threatened by that, and am pretty sure that’s not your intention. But it’s only fair to say thanks, but no thanks, it won’t be happening.
VAR again
check out the st mirren var claim v hearts
ball handled , st mirren player nearby
ref + var say no pen
compare with pen against us/oriley at CP
ball handled, nobody nearby
same ref (went to tim school)
ref + var say pen
fkn joke
Never mind the figures on violence against Catholics in Scotland.
How many times was PL mentoned on this blog today ?.
Moretothepoint CSC.
Some of the Peter Lawell stuff is shocking on here or elsewhere … his boss employed him and kept him employed presumably as his boss was happy with his work …
No interest in any Celtic board (but appreciate they have to be judged / questioned on their actions)
I still think Auldheid & the other resolutioner(s) actually won … they shone the light, “I” think the Celtic board put the “feelers” out on blogs, CSCs, associations, again just “my” opinion they knew there wasn’t an appetite from the rank n file .. the majority of their customer base wanted a Hun to face and hopefully dominate as they knew our rivals (and they are our rivals) now couldn’t rely on money they never had …
I know there is a lot of angst on the timternet, I only use two blogs, here & SC… but has any of the board detractors (again I have never liked any board of Celtic) thought that just maybe … the Celtic board went down the route that what the majority (in my opinion) favoured ..
From old to young from 2012 I found it hard to even raise a discussion about ReS12 from family and friends who go home and away … at times they think am “obsessed” with the Huns … and I think am one of the few who aren’t :-)
Anyhow … semi final today and another chance to reach a final … in this day of the internet more focus is always on other things as we have not had too much to complain about the stuff on the park …
Let the Huns cheat it’s in their DNA … and whether you dislike the board, the Huns, the refs, the SFA or whoever …
Never let it stop or influence your enjoyment of Celtic
as for some who wanted the Huns gone and gone forever, I understand that but be careful what you wish for …
Me personally … I know far too many decent Rangers fans and take great pleasure in reminding them of both their clubs they have followed followed …
They might even get a hattrick of clubs in the years to come :-)
This post isn’t to try and convince one person, we all have our own views and some are pretty entrenched, a bit like my own
Any Celtic win tomorrow will do 🍀
Thanks for link Ernie.
I vaguely recall quite a deep discussion on CQN about it at the time.
Even now the “Celtic Park is worst” stat reported at the time merits context.
47 offences
14 by Celtic fans
33 by away fans.
19 home league games a season.
Average number of Celtic fans in attendance?
Remembering Oldco had 7000?
Let’s be conservative and say 56,000
Total away support over 19 games?
2 x 7000 Oldco plus (generously) 1000 each for the other 17.
Celtic total 56000 x 19 = 1,064,000
Away total = 31,000
Away fans : 33 offences per 31,000 fans
Or 1 offence for every 939 attending
Celtic fans : 14 offences per 1 million
Or 1 offence for every 76,000 attending.
Conclusion?
Away fans 81 times more likely to offend at our ground than Celtic fans.
Hhmm.
GFTB
My views are pretty entrenched too, but I was considering paying the 12.99 pounds to watch today’s semi-final PPV.
However, there’s a pay -per – view WWE event this weekend too, and I can’t afford both, so I’ve decided to go WWE given the higher level of sporting integrity.
From the SPFL website:
“Celtic claimed the trophy last season after beating Hibernian 2-1 in the decider while Rangers have won this competition more often than anyone else.”
AN TEARMANN @12:30 PM
There was me trying to be nice, too.
However I’ll reserve judgement as that was a long reply and you maybe missed my attempt at a more conciliatory tone.
If not, no big deal, anyway.