CQNers are a new type of community. We mostly, though not always, share interests but we are anchored in commons values. The achievements of the community are incredible. We’ve made friends, some of whom are no longer with us and who shared their darkest hours on these pages, while others were lost in an instant.
Those lost friends now have a memorial stone outside Celtic Park, a credit to their memory. Thanks to all who contributed.
You and I have been talking Moneyball for six years. We’ve been convinced of the merits since then, most of the world is now, so it’s gratifying to know a manager would rather lose his job than succumb to the new orthodoxy. Very brave of Mark Warburton, he has the makings of an ideal Newco manager.
Last week I wrote that I expected Newco to appoint Stuart McCall as permanent manager. He was a reliable choice, had taken Motherwell to two consecutive second place SPL finishes, knew the task, had spent years scrapping around for free transfers and, let’s face it, is a ‘Real Rangers Man’. I would not have looked past him.
Warburton managed Brentford for two years, winning promotion in the first and taking them to the play-off semi-finals in April, but Brentford is the story of owner, Matthew Benham, who has invested close to £50m in the club. Warburton is fortunate to find two consecutive owners intent on spending £50m living the dream……. you do have the money for him, Dave, don’t you?
Fans Against Criminalisation issued this statement yesterday:
“Our view is that from the outset, despite the claims from the then First Minister, Alex Salmond, that he ‘wished to build consensus’ the only support that the government has managed to attract for the Act is that of the Police Service of Scotland and the only consensus that is being built is that of the opposition to this dreadful, unworkable and pernicious legislation.
Their claim of public support for the Act is based on figures which show that people want action on sectarianism and not specifically that they support this Act. They also conveniently ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of sectarian offences (ie those with religious aggravation) do not take place in football grounds [http://www.gov.scot/resource/0042/00424865.pdf]. In addition, many of the incidents for which people have been charged under the Act are unrelated to sectarianism.
We deplore:
• The action of the Scottish Government in giving off-the-record press briefings alleging that the Act will stay in place. This undermines the integrity of the Review process and the role of Parliament and its members.
• The use of the statistics from a highly skewed YouGov poll commissioned by the government to mislead the public.
• The continued reference by the Government to the Stirling research as being the ‘Review’ which the legislation requires them to have is an attempt to prevent the full and transparent examination of the Act which the public in general, and football fans in particular, expect and are entitled to. These claims are made despite a statement issued by the University of Stirling on Friday (12/6/15) afternoon that the work produced by their team is not ‘the review’ and their work cannot be interpreted as ‘an endorsement of the Act’.
We note:
• The conviction rate for this Act over the whole period of its existence is standing at 22%. This compares with a conviction rate for rape (itself notoriously low) in 2013-14 of 41%
• The scale of the resource devoted to enforcing this Act (including a specialised unit of the police service) which necessarily diverts finances and manpower from the detection and prosecution of more serious offenders.
We pledge:
• To continue to oppose this legislation by all peaceful means until it is repealed.
We call on the Government to listen to football fans; to listen to those whose lives have been drastically affected by a piece of legislation which is a stain on the justice system of Scotland.”
We have the most right-wing left-wing government in history.
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Evening Jobo I hope you are well. H.H.
sipsini
He has a point, they died chasing the dream.
Still, they canny get their heads around the truth, minty killed them.
HH
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Sandman
HH
Billybear
I’m wondering if you’re old enough to remember the last time your team won an untainted title? That would be 1978 when the likes of Derek Johnston was running about with a perm and tight shorts – and so was Danny McGrain!
BTW I don’t personally remember the tight shorts!
Lovely sunny day here in Ontario Canada, I’d like to say hi and thank you to all the NAFCS and CQNs guys from NA who made us all so welcome to there party, there hospitality had no boundaries along with there kindness and caring for us overseas visitors, Celtic are really a unique club, and we have a support second to none all over the world, I can not speak highly enough of them, the work they put into that week is outstanding, I’m already looking forward to the Lisbon 50th year anniversary in 2017, now that will be a party, once again to all involved in the 2015 party, take a bow, you where outstanding .
This complaint submitted to the BBC:
David Starkey has repeatedly over recent months used various national platforms to compare the SNP to the Nazis. I find his views to be racist, repugnant and potentially inflammatory. His persistent appearance today on BBC News tv, radio and online is particularly repulsive given his latest reported outburst comparing the SNP emblem with the Nazi swastika. I am saddened that BBC editors decided nevertheless to give this vile man a platform, albeit on another topic. This man should not feature anywhere on the BBC until he has apologised unreservedly for his anti-Scottish comments.
Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/contact_us/making_a_complaint.html if you want to add your complaint.
tonydonnelly67. You sound as though your enjoying the high life fella in real good company. H.H.
Saltires,
No connection sadly.
I know Carlingford well.
Have you ever been? It is a lovely place. Well worth a visit.
D’Arcy McGee is someone I have spent a bit of time reading about.
I have a number of Canadian relatives and I always bring them to Carlingford when they visit
Clogher
Td67
Looked great mate, few stories for the Sunday club?
Does Traynor work for Talksport? I just listened to a ten minute piece on Warburton. Back to back lies and misinformation. Oh and by the way, the huns lost out to Hibs who were promoted.
Paul67,
I am no fan of politicians. I remember a nice evening in the National Portrait Gallery in Edinburgh with 4 former Secretary’s of State and Jimmy Reid. JR was the only genuine guy amongst them.
The SNP with the cybernats have obtained the votes of the populace ; however to date have delivered nothing. I hope for Scotland’s sake they are successful, however I have my doubts. From Holyrood there has been little substance. In Westminster I don’t see how they can succeed against Cameron.
The OBB is the SNPs poll tax moment. Even their staunchest supporters cannot defend it. It’s says it all when they have to lobby and manipulate the messaging to pretend the OBB is a success. It would show leadership if Sturgeon would hold her hands up and say we got it wrong…..but I cannot see it.
Sturgeon is on a political mission and is not really listening to the people. So far so good , however it will catch up on her. The harder she tries to Sell the OBB the more of a boomerang it will become…..thatcher learned that. In this respect Sturgeon is like Thatcher ….no u turn. However the lady will turn….when it’s too late. By then people will realise she has not delivered in Holyrood or Westminster and the the economic situation of many families remains grim.
Like the smug politicians I met that evening in Edinburgh , I will have no sympathy for her. The lengths the SNP go to keep this piece of legislation in place is absurd.
Her day will come.
Oh the Pain
According to The Sun, Rangers are ‘close’ to securing a deal to sign former Hearts defender Danny Wilson – despite interest from Celtic.
Wilson, 23, has chosen to leave Hearts this summer despite the club’s promotion back to the top flight of Scottish football, and is now a free agent.
It has long been expected that Wilson would be signing for Celtic, with manager Ronny Deila recently telling Sky Sports that he did have an interest in signing the defender.
However, the Bhoys have since landed Manchester City centre back Dedryck Boyata, and with no move to Celtic Park seemingly forthcoming, Wilson could now return to Glasgow anyway – with Rangers.
Wilson started his career at Ibrox, joining as a teenager back in 2006, before emerging into the first team in the 2009-10 season – only to sign for Liverpool just months later.
After a torrid spell in England, Wilson returned to Scotland with Hearts in 2013, captaining the club to promotion this past season before deciding to end his contract at Tynecastle.
Now, The Sun believe that Wilson is ‘close’ to re-signing for Rangers, becoming Mark Warbuton’s first signing having only been appointed at Ibrox earlier today.
Having allowed the likes of Lee McCulloch and Bilel Mohsni to leave the club on free transfers this summer, defensive reinforcements are needed – and Wilson appears to be Warburton’s first choice target, with a move potentially on the verge of completion
JFH – very well thank you.
All, but especially Billybear (civilised debating always welcome here). Punished enough? What ‘punishment’ was that?
“It would’ve cost less, and left the previous owners with nothing, to go into liquidation but it would also be humiliating for Celtic. So we paid all the bills.” – Fergus McCann
Many thanks to everyone who replied. I read the media and CQN daily and have attempted to educate myself on football and its place in Scottish culture but still have many blanks that need filling. It’s one thing to read about history, another to have lived it.
Again, thank you for the insight.
HH
” this is just what it felt like when souness walked through the door, the exact same feeling ”
A hun on zombiemedia hahaha
chicagobhoy1967
20:05 on 15 June, 2015
It was widely reported, when the bank was calling in its loan to Celtic, some now extinct mob already had double the debt of Celtic,
Doesn’t seem to have worked out though
Hahahahahahaha
timgreen
19:56 on 15 June, 2015
‘This man should not feature anywhere on the BBC until he has apologised unreservedly for his anti-Scottish comments.’
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As I understand it his comments weren’t anti Scottish, they were anti SNP.
Some might think that a political party whose supporters can’t differentiate between their party and the population of their country shares at least one characteristic of fascist parties down through the years.
“Our job is to bring suggestions to the table that add value to the club on and off the pitch.
New Hun Mgr said this today
Now if I was a skint unfit and not proper person looking to scam as much as possible from a lot of hurting Huns – this guy is music to my ears
Bring on the suggestions we want suggestions now
I’m actually starting to feel sorry for them – it’s my well educated catholic school upbringing that makes me feels sorry for the uneducated – will they never learn.
67ECW
cowiebhoy
20:04 on 15 June, 2015
Yip the crazy talk has begun, if Wilson signs for sevco the headline in the Hun will be along the lines of ……
‘SEVCO PIP CELTIC TO WILSON SIGNATURE’
When Dodgy Dave the first was in charge at Ibrox, contracts tendered out always appeared to go to companies he or his family had an interest in until some questions were asked by some of ra berrs about who received off pitch services contracts.
Any dosh Dodgy Dave the first may have input in Ibrox, was possibly recouped by the above means.
One of D Murray’s sons’ company got the catering contracts for a spell with some jiggerypokery going on about the supply of new catering equipment
D Muray also was the recipient of the highest amount from the EBT ‘loan’ scheme which I believe has no repayment schedule.
D Murray appears to have been as big a duper as Craig Whyte was with him.
dena29
17:03 on
15 June, 2015
NatKnow
People are very much misinformed on the issue I believe – hence their reluctance to sign up to opposing something that’s being presented as a solution to sectarianism.
Agree with you with this point …….. wouldnt you think people would want to be informed instead of making decisions on one sided statements …….
informed reasoning I could understand but accepting these gross misinterpretations is sickening
HH
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Agree with all that – it seems that people are happy to accept what they are being told by the authorities – or at lease seem unwilling to question and challenge it. While they remain ignorant of the truth, there will not be enough momentum to make the government change course. It will only happen if they think it will lose them votes. Right now, it doesn’t look like it will lose them any votes. In fact – quite the opposite. Many people don’t want to engage in this subject BTW. They just see it as sectarian shit-stirring. Sad but true.
Joe and Marakesh
Yes it’s been brilliant and still two weeks to go, I’ve had a ball, going to the ..soccer training cough cough..with the grand kids tonight, looking forward to that, Daughter said it finishes at seven Dad the ill drop you off at the pub, my Daughter gets her auld dad, one in a million, my daughter that is, Marakesh some great stories too :))
I’ll
Sandman 19:06
Do you write prose for ‘Get Well’ cards in your spare time?
:-)
Also I bet big Mike Ashley is now feeling much better about his £5m – at last a guy that wants suggestions – £5m is safe
Here’s s few suggestions for you
1) apologise for 100 years of bigotry
2) repay the good people of Manchester by giving £2/3m for the damage
3) apologise to Scottish Football for cheating for the last 20 years of your existence
4) apologise to every company that lost money when you lied to them and cheated them
5) offer to pay back the tax you ripped off from everyone in the UK
There a few suggestions Mr Hun.
67ECW
Those who are sceptical because of Mark Warburton’s win-rate with Brentford should re-consider.
He was doing really well with them until it was leaked that his contract would not be renewed. His achievements as a lame duck manager with one and a half feet out the door was to steady their slide in form and get them back in the play-off picture.
He may or he may not be a good manager (one short spell in management is no basis on which to make such a large judgement). You have to prove that your methods can work in a variety of settings. Even if he is a “relative” success with the ibrox club, it will not cement his rep as a good manager.
There are very few softer markets with less competition than the Scottish Championship and lower SPFL. John Hughes and Stuart McCall have both shown that teams built with waifs and strays and discards from League One, League Two and non-league in England can be made competitive at SPFL level, without, necessarily, challenging Celtic for the title.
The battered and bruised rangers fan will accept a promotion, even via the play-offs, with rapturous applause. Since neither Hibs nor St. Mirren will be outspending them, that can be achieved on the cheap, even if Dave King does not pony up.
I have no fear of Mark Warburton but his recent brief record of achievement merits a moderate level of respect.
The real issue determining the future of the ibrox club will not be determined by Warburton but by the battles between Ashley and King and how long-lasting and damaging they may be.
Sandman
19:06 on
15 June, 2015
respect
Wilson? Haven’t seen him a lot, but from what I saw he looked average, he prob. Was a player before he went to thems but they soon knock that out of you.
We got bigger fish to fry, and if he or his agent have any future in top football thems is the last club on the planet you would go to, and I really don’t give a tinkers …k if thems do sign him if I’m being really honest.
Danny Wilson doesn’t sign for Celtic…..
Phew! That was close!
HH
Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas
20:12 on
“Any dosh Dodgy Dave the first may have input in Ibrox, was possibly recouped by the above means”.
My understanding is that SDM borrowed £6m from BOS to “buy” rangers. Leaving aside his £6m EBT, he tried to recoup his “initial investment” (sic) when he had the begging bowl out for 4 years and then, having no takers, eventually decided to flog it for 1p.
So, no money out – £6,000,000.01 in! And he reckons he was duped………!
Of course the £6m loan was never repaid and still lies in the debt mountain that BDO are wading through at the moment.
SFTB
I saw Brentford a few times last season, his style of play is alien to what the huns play, at least his teams try to play football.
I posted the other day that given he will at least attempt to play football, the referees might clamp down on the hammer throwers, naw, never gonna happen, sadly.
HH
Billy Bhoy. The first rule of business use other peoples money. H.H.
Unless young Danny is hard of thinking why would he sign for the third best team in the second division having just been promoted with the best team to the top division or perhaps his career trajectory is of no interest to him.
Either way I hope we don’t sign him, he makes Gary Caldwell look like Franz Beckenbauer…
Billy Bhoy + Dallas
My memory is not what it should be but in some wee dark corner of my mind one of the first things minty did was sell off “the rankers pools” for £6mill. Recouped the lot in one foul swoop. May be wrong. I’m sure there was a major fall out with the guy that built it up to what it was which was big for the time
It’s reported that Scottish champions Celtic have offered €1m for Cesena striker Milan Djuric, but the clubs are some way apart.
The Cavallucci Marini were relegated from Serie A at the end of the season, with the 25-year-old managing two goals and two assists in 28 games.
According to Sky journalist Dario Massara, the Bhoys submitted an initial offer of €1m for the Bosnian international, an offer Cesena considered too low.
It’s believed the Emilian side are looking for a fee of between €2.5m and €3m for the 6ft 6in forward, who has had loan spells at Citadella, Crotone and Ascoli.
Report from Italy any of the Italian bhoys any updates
NatKnow
All true unfortunately……..I do despair
but will never stop trying to put both arguments forward its a small small contribution
HH
The Huns on FF are in ecstasy about Warburton.
I spoke to security guard at work today, a bear of 50 years standing (ok, of three, plus 47 for the old club).
Expected him to be pleased that the Huns had captured the hottest middle-aged prospect in England.
But he was downbeat, non-plussed, shrug of the shoulders… if the average bear is like him, then King will have problems shifting tickets.
Latchford – rubbish as the OBFA it’s nowhere near a poll tax moment. It only affects a tiny percentage of the voting population and even if non-football types knew how bad it is they wouldn’t be that bothered as it doesn’t directly affect them.
lennons passion. When are we going to make an offer for a striker who actually scores goals ? If the MSM are correct were scouring Europe for non scoring strikers. H.H.
Billybhoy, I know someone who used to work for the company whose lager brand was on the sticky buns’ tops for a number of years.
They were told his company had put in tenders for some of the service contracts at Ibrox. Them and other companies never got a sniff. Companies under the MIH umbrella got them.
D Murray appeared to make more out of them than even those with the onerous contracts at Sevco.