CQNers are a new type of community. We mostly, though not always, share interests but we are anchored in commons values. The achievements of the community are incredible. We’ve made friends, some of whom are no longer with us and who shared their darkest hours on these pages, while others were lost in an instant.
Those lost friends now have a memorial stone outside Celtic Park, a credit to their memory. Thanks to all who contributed.
You and I have been talking Moneyball for six years. We’ve been convinced of the merits since then, most of the world is now, so it’s gratifying to know a manager would rather lose his job than succumb to the new orthodoxy. Very brave of Mark Warburton, he has the makings of an ideal Newco manager.
Last week I wrote that I expected Newco to appoint Stuart McCall as permanent manager. He was a reliable choice, had taken Motherwell to two consecutive second place SPL finishes, knew the task, had spent years scrapping around for free transfers and, let’s face it, is a ‘Real Rangers Man’. I would not have looked past him.
Warburton managed Brentford for two years, winning promotion in the first and taking them to the play-off semi-finals in April, but Brentford is the story of owner, Matthew Benham, who has invested close to £50m in the club. Warburton is fortunate to find two consecutive owners intent on spending £50m living the dream……. you do have the money for him, Dave, don’t you?
Fans Against Criminalisation issued this statement yesterday:
“Our view is that from the outset, despite the claims from the then First Minister, Alex Salmond, that he ‘wished to build consensus’ the only support that the government has managed to attract for the Act is that of the Police Service of Scotland and the only consensus that is being built is that of the opposition to this dreadful, unworkable and pernicious legislation.
Their claim of public support for the Act is based on figures which show that people want action on sectarianism and not specifically that they support this Act. They also conveniently ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of sectarian offences (ie those with religious aggravation) do not take place in football grounds [http://www.gov.scot/resource/0042/00424865.pdf]. In addition, many of the incidents for which people have been charged under the Act are unrelated to sectarianism.
We deplore:
• The action of the Scottish Government in giving off-the-record press briefings alleging that the Act will stay in place. This undermines the integrity of the Review process and the role of Parliament and its members.
• The use of the statistics from a highly skewed YouGov poll commissioned by the government to mislead the public.
• The continued reference by the Government to the Stirling research as being the ‘Review’ which the legislation requires them to have is an attempt to prevent the full and transparent examination of the Act which the public in general, and football fans in particular, expect and are entitled to. These claims are made despite a statement issued by the University of Stirling on Friday (12/6/15) afternoon that the work produced by their team is not ‘the review’ and their work cannot be interpreted as ‘an endorsement of the Act’.
We note:
• The conviction rate for this Act over the whole period of its existence is standing at 22%. This compares with a conviction rate for rape (itself notoriously low) in 2013-14 of 41%
• The scale of the resource devoted to enforcing this Act (including a specialised unit of the police service) which necessarily diverts finances and manpower from the detection and prosecution of more serious offenders.
We pledge:
• To continue to oppose this legislation by all peaceful means until it is repealed.
We call on the Government to listen to football fans; to listen to those whose lives have been drastically affected by a piece of legislation which is a stain on the justice system of Scotland.”
We have the most right-wing left-wing government in history.
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TBB and HT
I am more inclined to go with `lying`.
Must dash. Off to Newcastle.
Cheerio.
JJ
HT
Panorama – Britain’s Secret Terror Deals is still on BBC Iplayer(for 11 months) from the 31st of May
thompsontwin
05:29 on 16 June, 2015
I won’t pick apart your whole rant but as unionists do, you refer to shipbuilding as if it were still a key industry in Scotland. At the time of the original referendum we were told that if Scotland voted Yes to devolution we’d lose shipbuilding. At the time there were 18,000 employed in that sector. Despite two No votes it’s now down to 3,000. To put that in perspective, Glasgow has about 25-30,000 working in call centres.
Sorry but Salmond’s disingenuousness (is that a word?) has really irritated me. Didn’t his Justice Minister and the Glasgow Chief of Police praise the full sectarian song sheet blasted out at Hampden by the deid team’s support? And didn’t the BBC he criticises so strongly not wrongly accuse us of similar chanting, through the pernicious direction of his beloved Hearts supporting producer?
By the bye, I am well on record on here against us singing in favour of the IRA.
So, now we know….it’s as easy as that…….you want someone to manage a football team……go to the Stock Exchange and get a trader ……..only in Scotland
Chavez
08:36 on
16 June, 2015
thompsontwin
05:29 on 16 June, 2015
I won’t pick apart your whole rant but as unionists do, you refer to shipbuilding as if it were still a key industry in Scotland. At the time of the original referendum we were told that if Scotland voted Yes to devolution we’d lose shipbuilding. At the time there were 18,000 employed in that sector. Despite two No votes it’s now down to 3,000. To put that in perspective, Glasgow has about 25-30,000 working in call centres.
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Your figures are lies:
Apart from ongoing work on the two carriers, work on 13 new frigates commences next year whilst work the second of 3 offshore patrol vessels commenced last week.
Plus, are you seriously equating high skilled jobs with allied top quality apprenticships with call centre employment?
SETTINGFREETHEBEARS
Yip. Telling people how stupid they were for voting as they did is hardly an inducement to them to switch back again.
More likely to encourage the ‘Zatso?’ reaction.
Leftclicktic
Cheers mate I’ll get it there.
Sixtaeseven
Would you mind If I got your email addy from P67? I’m looking for some info with regards to Paris?
Merci.
HT – well worth a wee look.
Maginiss in particular makes a complete show of himself.
HH
Bawsman
you ever worked in either industry ?
Bawsman
‘Lies’ is a bit strong. Chavez’s figures are pretty accurate in terms of shipbuilding.
There are around 2500 folk employed at BAE Systems on the Clyde, and a little over 1000 at Babcock Naval at Rosyth. I’ve excluded Babcock’s operation at Faslane since it’s a maintenance operation, not a building yard.
You could lob in another 500 or so at smaller boat yards, Ferguson have about 250 for example.
Figure is around 4000 employed building ships and boats. About the same number as employed by Scottish Widows or Aggreko.
The supply chain is a different matter, more difficult to quantify, albeit much of the materials and components are imported.
What’s clear is that Shipbuilding in Scotland has more significance in terms of its historical legacy that its latter day economic impact.
Which is the bigger shame.
Non footie question:-
would anyone recommend a family hol this summer in Egypt? Looking at maybe Luxor to get the history and the beach.
I wrote off N Africa for the last few years but with the military crackdowns etc , is it now safe enough ? (unless you are one of those poor sods being cracked down on of course)
SkySports News reporting that Paul Pogba and Gareth Bale are undergoing medicals at Murray Park
Morning Bhoys. Roughly a fortnight until we see Celtic playing again
Don’t tell me………
We chick….
” ah doh no,
ah jus’ wike i’ guy!”
Coneybhoy
Eurochamps is CQN’s This Sharm-ing Man, look out for him, he’ll have some insight.
FCO has the following to say: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
Seems the resorts are fine if you’re sensible. Don’t be going off-piste.
Can anyone tell me when the huns will release the information regarding Ashley’s resolution ? I.e the vote ?
Awe Naw
Monday.
They didn’t say which Monday tho…
FAC news.
Ministerial Statement on Offensive Behaviour Act
Following a campaign of misinformation since Friday the Minister for Community Safety, Paul Wheelhouse, will make a statement to Parliament this afternoon (Tuesday 16/6/15). This statement, only communicated to MSPs yesterday, will probably take about 10 minutes followed by 20 minutes of questions beginning around 2.10. The government have actively mislead the public and are now about to mislead Parliament. Central to the messages which the government have tried to sell since Friday are:
The University of Stirling evaluation report shows public support for the Act
The YouGov poll commissioned by the government is a legitimate barometer of public opinion
The research report is the Review which is built into the legislation.
In an attempt to shore up the government position that everything in the Offensive Behaviour garden is rosy, they have wheeled out former First Minister Alex Salmond, who has disgraced and demeaned himself by having a go at fan opposition to the Act; had a nasty jibe at a specific and identifiable academic; and, most disturbingly, accused solicitors who defend clients (as is their duty under our legal system) of being ‘clever dicks’ for being successful. We would hope to hear the Law Society of Scotland responding to this sinister comment on the legal profession which echoes similar statements by MPs in the past which are linked to violent attacks on practicing solicitors based on the nature of their clients.
All of this is a well-orchestrated attempt to deflect from two central points which the government don’t want the public and MSPs to focus on:
The University of Stirling research does not provide support for the Act. On Friday afternoon, in a public statement carried nowhere in the press, one of the lead authors, criminologist, Dr Niall Hamilton-Smith said the following:
Our evaluation neither endorses nor rejects the Act, but presents robust evidence on patterns of implementation, perceptions of impact and emerging issues and questions relating to section one of the legislation.
The YouGov poll consists of 1044 people, over 52% of whom are ‘not interested’ or ‘not at all interested’ in football, who were asked blatantly leading questions to deliver the 80% backing which the government would have us believe is reflective of the population as a whole.
The research is simply an evaluation report and in the words of the University of Stirling:
“The evaluation is intended to be one contribution, sitting alongside other possible evidence, perspectives or material in the Scottish Government’s consideration of the Act.” or in the words of one of it’s authors in an email to FAC ‘whatever it (the research) is, it is not the Review’.
This is the information the government does not want people to have or reflect on. By its cynical and undemocratic actions the government seek to shore up a cynical and undemocratic act. Meanwhile the First Minister rightly champions the Human Rights Act while conveniently ignoring her own government’s record in this regard.
The three wise SNP monkeys, Sturgeon, Salmond and Wheelhouse may try to shut their ears to the voices of those opposing this Act, or shut their eyes to the mounting evidence of its failure, but they fail to shut their mouths when it comes to misleading the public.
Representatives of FAC will be in Holyrood today to put the true facts before MSPs and the press and to remind the government by our presence that we have not gone away and we are not going away till the unwarranted targetting and criminalisation of football fans ends.
Migration.
Looks like that if there is no equitable deal reached at today’s meeting,Italy will start issuing migrants with temporary Schengen visas..
Interesting times ahead CSC -way down south.
Awe Naw
Apparently the batteries expired in the calculator. They are waiting a delivery from Amazon. They went for Standard rather than Express delivery to save some money.
I hope they are in when Postman Pat calls.
Coneybhoy
Wouldn’t chance it mate too many headbangers over there
You want to be relaxing not looking over your shoulder the people there are very nice
BBC ( national as in English ) clip of Mark Warburton going into a cupboard? instead of the press conference was hilarious, ‘Maybe it’s an omen said the presenter,’ ‘Oh don’t say that said the other.’
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
He was looking for the Emergency Exit.
My eldest Grandson who lives with us has recently turned 18 this is his last year at school and he has been very lucky he has landed a job after his first and only interview.Why im talking about this this morning is he is for the next two nights singing two solos in his school end of the year show the strange thing is I have never heard him sing a note not even when he is his bedroom the wife and I are going to the show tonight and it should be very interesting. H.H.
Can anybody put up a clip of warburton trying to go through the wrong door please.
Re Collusion, the RTÉ programme last night, while interesting and informative, it merely exposed practices that every dog in the street knew about when these incidents took place. The great shame is that the national broadcaster didn’t pursue these investigations in the 70s & 80s. The response of the Irish governments of the time were nothing short of cowardly. So many people suffered because the governments didn’t engage with the representatives of those who were suffering the most, Northern Nationalists.
newradbhoy. I think anyone who says Warburton was trying to go through the wrong door is seeing things.What happened when he was waiting to go into the room and be introduced as the new manager there was another door to the right of where he was standing.someone tried to open and couldnt Warburton opened the door for them and then walked into the room where he was to be introduced I think if you watch it closely you will agree thats what happened. H.H.
JOEFILLIPISHAIRCUT
Well done to yer grandson,mate. Great stuff. Does he do tutorials on interview technique? Sounds like he’s a natural!
BIG-CUP-WINNERS
09:15 on
16 June, 2015
Bawsman
you ever worked in either industry ?
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Yes
JOEFILLIPISHAIRCUT
What,he was letting someone out of a cupboard?
Was it Cato?
Newradbhoy 09.51………..Shurely “Eat the breed” wisnae looking for a quick getaway already..
As Warburton is so good already, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins manager of the month for June.
was Warbuton not just checking every door so he could find the front-loaded warchest?
BMCUW
He was looking for the St Etienne bike.
lennon’s passion.
Milan Djuric.
Seems I gave you false info when I said there was nothing in Italian cyberspace linking Celtic with the player .
Wrong .!.
2 Italian click bait sites – Europa calcio / Calciomercato are rumoring that Celtic have offered Cesena 1 million euros for the player and in response Cesena have said – Sorry – we want at least double that.
newradbhoy
About 1:15 in. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5_1fSOe4Ro
HH