CQNers are a new type of community. We mostly, though not always, share interests but we are anchored in commons values. The achievements of the community are incredible. We’ve made friends, some of whom are no longer with us and who shared their darkest hours on these pages, while others were lost in an instant.
Those lost friends now have a memorial stone outside Celtic Park, a credit to their memory. Thanks to all who contributed.
You and I have been talking Moneyball for six years. We’ve been convinced of the merits since then, most of the world is now, so it’s gratifying to know a manager would rather lose his job than succumb to the new orthodoxy. Very brave of Mark Warburton, he has the makings of an ideal Newco manager.
Last week I wrote that I expected Newco to appoint Stuart McCall as permanent manager. He was a reliable choice, had taken Motherwell to two consecutive second place SPL finishes, knew the task, had spent years scrapping around for free transfers and, let’s face it, is a ‘Real Rangers Man’. I would not have looked past him.
Warburton managed Brentford for two years, winning promotion in the first and taking them to the play-off semi-finals in April, but Brentford is the story of owner, Matthew Benham, who has invested close to £50m in the club. Warburton is fortunate to find two consecutive owners intent on spending £50m living the dream……. you do have the money for him, Dave, don’t you?
Fans Against Criminalisation issued this statement yesterday:
“Our view is that from the outset, despite the claims from the then First Minister, Alex Salmond, that he ‘wished to build consensus’ the only support that the government has managed to attract for the Act is that of the Police Service of Scotland and the only consensus that is being built is that of the opposition to this dreadful, unworkable and pernicious legislation.
Their claim of public support for the Act is based on figures which show that people want action on sectarianism and not specifically that they support this Act. They also conveniently ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of sectarian offences (ie those with religious aggravation) do not take place in football grounds [http://www.gov.scot/resource/0042/00424865.pdf]. In addition, many of the incidents for which people have been charged under the Act are unrelated to sectarianism.
We deplore:
• The action of the Scottish Government in giving off-the-record press briefings alleging that the Act will stay in place. This undermines the integrity of the Review process and the role of Parliament and its members.
• The use of the statistics from a highly skewed YouGov poll commissioned by the government to mislead the public.
• The continued reference by the Government to the Stirling research as being the ‘Review’ which the legislation requires them to have is an attempt to prevent the full and transparent examination of the Act which the public in general, and football fans in particular, expect and are entitled to. These claims are made despite a statement issued by the University of Stirling on Friday (12/6/15) afternoon that the work produced by their team is not ‘the review’ and their work cannot be interpreted as ‘an endorsement of the Act’.
We note:
• The conviction rate for this Act over the whole period of its existence is standing at 22%. This compares with a conviction rate for rape (itself notoriously low) in 2013-14 of 41%
• The scale of the resource devoted to enforcing this Act (including a specialised unit of the police service) which necessarily diverts finances and manpower from the detection and prosecution of more serious offenders.
We pledge:
• To continue to oppose this legislation by all peaceful means until it is repealed.
We call on the Government to listen to football fans; to listen to those whose lives have been drastically affected by a piece of legislation which is a stain on the justice system of Scotland.”
We have the most right-wing left-wing government in history.
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Seeing as SIPSINI has stayed up for some good old-fashioned moonhowling,here’s a wee article from The Telegraph to get the oul’ tinfoil heids muttering away
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Conspiracy theories used to be so easy.
You’d have your mate who, after a few beers, would tell you that the moon landings were faked or that the Illuminati controlled everything or that the US government was holding alien autopsies in Area 51. And you’d be able to dismiss this because it was all rubbish.
Look, you’d say, we have moon rock samples and pictures and we left laser reflectors on the surface and… basically you still don’t believe me but that’s because you’re mad and no proof on earth (or the moon) would satisfy you.
It’s true that there was always the big one which wasn’t quite so easily dismissed. This was the Kennedy assassination – but here you could be fairly sure that the whole thing was a terrible, impenetrable murky morass. You knew that some things never would be known (or would be released, partially redacted by the CIA, 200 years in the future). And you knew that whatever the truth was it was probably a bit dull compared to your mate’s flights of fantasy involving the KGB, the Mafia and the military-industrial complex. Besides, it all made for a lot of very entertaining films and books
This nice, cozy state of affairs lasted until the early 2000s. But then something changed. These days conspiracy theories don’t look so crazy and conspiracy theorists don’t look like crackpots. In fact, today’s conspiracy theory is tomorrow’s news headlines. It’s tempting, I suppose, to say we live in a golden age of conspiracy theories, although it’s only really golden for the architects of the conspiracies. From the Iraq war to Fifa to the banking crisis, the truth is not only out there, but it’s more outlandish than anything we could have made up.
• Our devotion to brands is a sickness of modern life
Of course, our real-life conspiracies aren’t much like The X-Files – they’re disappointingly short on aliens and the supernatural. Rather, they’re more like John Le Carre books. Shady dealings by powerful people who want nothing more than to line their profits at the expense of others. The abuse of power. Crazy ideologues who try and create their own facts for fun and profit. Corporations supplanting governments via regulatory capture.
So, what are some of our biggest conspiracies?
The Iraq War
The most disgusting abuse of power in a generation and a moral quagmire that never ends. America is attacked by terrorists and so, declares war on a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks, while ignoring an oil rich ally which had everything to do with them. The justification for war is based on some witches’ brew of faulty intelligence, concocted intelligence and ignored good intelligence. Decent people are forced to lie on an international stage. All sensible advice is ignored and rabid neo-con draft dodgers hold sway on military matters. The UK joins this fool’s errand for no good reason. Blood is spilled and treasure is spent.
The result is a disaster that was predicted only by Middle Eastern experts, post-conflict planners and several million members of the public. Thousands of allied troops and hundreds of thousands of blameless Iraqis are killed, although plenty of companies and individuals benefit from the US dollars that were shipped out, literally, by the ton. More recently, Iraq, now in a far worse state than it ever was under any dictator, has become an incubator for more terrorists, which is a special kind of geopolitical irony lost entirely on the war’s supporters.
• Ten ways we could fix broken Britain
And yet, we can’t really bring ourselves to hold anyone accountable. Apportioning responsibility would be difficult, painful and inconvenient, so we shrug as the men behind all this enjoy their well-upholstered retirements despite being directly and personally responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and trillions of wasted dollars. And the slow drip, drip of revelations continues, largely ignored by the public, despite the horrendous costs which (in the UK) could have been spent on things like the NHS or properly equipping our armed forces.
Fifa
The conspiracy du jour. We always knew Fifa was shonky and bribey, but most of us thought the more outlandish claims were just that. Not so. As it turns out, Fifa is a giant corruption machine and it now looks like every World Cup in the last three decades, even the ones we were cool about, like South Africa, could have been fixes.
On the plus side, it seems that something may be done, but it’ll be far too late to help honest footballing nations who missed their moment in the sun. For those who say “it’s only a stupid sport”, well, recently we’ve heard accusations of arms deals for votes involving… wait for it… Saudi Arabia. The Saudi connection makes me wonder if, soon, we’ll be looking a grand unified conspiracy theory which brings together lots of other conspiracy theories under one corrupt, grubby roof.
The banking crisis
A nice financial counterpoint to Iraq. Virtually destroy the western financial system in the name of greed. Get bailed out by the taxpayers who you’ve been ripping off. And then carry on as if nothing whatsoever has happened. No jail, no meaningful extra regulation, the idea of being too big to fail as much of a joke as it was in 2005. Not even an apology. In fact, since the crisis you caused, things have got much better for you – and worse for everyone else. Much like Iraq, no-one has been held responsible or even acknowledged any wrongdoing. Again, this is partially because it’s so complicated and hard – but mainly because those who caused the crisis are so well represented in the governments of the countries who bailed them out. Oh, and while we’re at it, the banks played a part in the Fifa scandal. As conspiracy theorists will tell you, everything is connected.
Paedophiles
This one seems like a particularly dark and grisly thriller. At first it was just a few rubbish light entertainers. Then it was a lot more entertainers. Then we had people muttering about the political establishment – and others counter-muttering don’t be ridiculous, that’s a conspiracy theory. But it wasn’t. Now, it’s a slow-motion train crash and an endless series of glacial government inquiries. The conspiracy theorists point out that a lot of real stuff only seems to come out after the alleged perpetrators are dead or so senile it no longer matters. It’s hard to disagree with them. It’s also hard to imagine what kind of person would be so in thrall to power that they’d cover up child abuse.
And the rest
Where do you start? We could look at the EU and pick anything from its rarely signed-off accounts to the giant sham that let Greece join the Euro in the first place. We could look at UK defence procurement – and how we get so much less bang for our buck than France. We could peer at the cloying, incestuous relationship between the UK’s political class and its media moguls and how our leaders still fawn over a man whose poisonous control over so much of our media dates back to dodgy deal in 1981 that was denied for 30 years. We could look at the NSA and its intimate/ bullying relationship with tech companies. And we could go on and on and on.
But actually what we should be thinking is that a lot of this is what happens what you dismantle regulatory frameworks. This is what happens when you let money run riot and you allow industries to police themselves. This is what happens when the rich and powerful are endlessly granted special privileges, celebrated and permitted or even encouraged to place themselves above the law. And this is what happens when ordinary people feel bored by and excluded from politics, largely because their voices matter so little for the reasons above. Effectively, we are all living in Italy under Silvio Berlusconi. What’s the point in anything?
• When did the rich become so utterly horrible?
But actually, there is some hope. While the number of rich and powerful people who think they can get away with anything has undoubtedly grown, technology has made leaking much easier. Wikileaks may not be perfect, but it’s a lot better than no leaks at all. The other thing that gives me succour is the public’s view of the bankers. We still hate them, which is absolutely as it should be. And slowly this contempt is starting to hurt the masters of the universe. It’s notable that, recently, banking has started tumbling down the down the list of desirable careers. So, I suppose the solution is simple: we need more regulation, we need more transparency and we need more public shame and disgust. We might even get the last two; I’m less hopeful about the first.
In the X-Files, Fox Mulder’s famous catchphrase was, “I want to believe” but that’s because the conspiracy theories he dealt with were rather good fun. Ours, by contrast, tend to involve an endless procession of wealthy old men abusing their power. So I don’t want to believe any more. I want my kids to grow up in a world where conspiracy theories are something you laugh at.
Bobby Murdoch
Mmmmmm…………..The Telegraph
Class traitor territory.
Or a conversion on the Road to Jerusalem.
Hopefully the latter.
Hope you`re “into” the Women`s World Cup.
Some good stuff there.
Keep well,pal.
For anyone bored on the night shift or just suffering from insomnia
September highlights.
The non YouTube links may no longer be valid.
September
Aberdeen – Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdj7s7M7TM
Salzburg – Away (Europa League)
http://www.itv.com/europa-league/rep…aw-in-salzburg
Motherwell – Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGm5RMuCyQA
Hearts – Home (League Cup)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29233038
St. Mirren – Away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA2uLx-ABIA
It appears the comment is being moderated.
I hope there isn’t someone chapping at Paul’s door waking the weans.
I just need to reduce the links.
October
Dinamo Zagreb – Home (Europa League)
Hamilton – Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMU_mTskYz4
Ross County – Away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJ9w8sR3lk
Astra – Home (Europa League)
Kilmarnock – Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjabouS-y6s
Partick Thistle – Home (League Cup)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2unCzC2gMNI
MACJAY
I read The Telegraph quite often,and various other publications which rarely share my opinions. I view it the same way I view my drinking pals-bloody boring when everyone just agrees wi each other!!
How’s life?
‘GG
I think a maximum of five links per post is allowed.
Any more than that and you get an invitation to OLDTIM’s barbecue…
Midnight and the new appointee is about to start his initiation.
In the bowels of a run down stadium goats are bleating nervously while men in long robes and brown brogues are licking their chops in anticipation of a blood meal.
The gates of hell are on standby ready to receive another soul.
The inbred will be spreading jam on their bread and toasting it.
Let’s see how it all pans out.
Life`s good.
As ever,challenges which have to be faced,but I can have no complaints.
Thoroughly enjoying all the football right now,particularly Australia in the Wummin`s W.C.(Oops) and looking forward to the forthcoming season with some hope of progress in Europe.Improvement wouldn`t be hard.
Like you I enjoy the debate,depending on who I`m talking to.:-)
There`s always the point of view you may not have considered and an opportunity t5o reassess.
Sadly,no sign of F.F.M.or was it F.F.S.?
Cheers,pal.
5.09
The above for Bobby M.
MACJAY
My iPad autocorrects ffs to ffm. No wonder,haha!
I must drop him a line and see if I can cajole him back. Apart from his wit and intelligence,I miss his taste in videos…
Re opposing views,you learn nothing with a closed mind or closed ears. You learn a lot wi a closed mouth. Though I’d have to learn to drink through a straw.
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
00:47 on
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I never thought I would see the day that Celtic supporters swallowed all things Scotland – and voted SNP.
What the hell is going on? – I must have missed all the ‘cast iron’ promises, to be delivered in a Scotland, swimming in money from oil revenues that are forecast to be 90% less over the next twenty years – before becoming completely economically irrelevant. Indeed the clean-up costs may far out weigh any income from oil and gas, in the long-term.
An example can be seen in the vanishing open-cast coal industry, where companies have gone bust and we have been left with the clean-up tab, and of course, apart from annoying Donald Trump, the wind energy industry bluster is turning into a white elephant.
Scotland would be in the position, after ‘getting rid’ of England, of having to go ‘cap in hand’, with the ‘erse hinging oot of its troosers’, to beg for energy supplies – because even the amount of ‘hot air’ that comes out of both ends of the SNP, will be unable to turn the turbines.
If the herd who voted SNP think that tourism will replace oil, gas, and the connected engineering industry; the financial sector, which is already gearing-up to relocate for fear of another referendum; shipbuilding, which the UK can withdraw at a stroke, and no central bank, nor currency, then they set us on a course to be the next Greece – we will be a small basket-case within the EU, if they let us in.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
05:18 on
16 June, 2015
MACJAY
Re opposing views,you learn nothing with a closed mind or closed ears. You learn a lot wi a closed mouth. Though I’d have to learn to drink through a straw.
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Without getting too precious,learning how to think is the key.
I`m still learning. As you will no doubt remind me.
I`m a rover seldom sober…………..
Wee Luke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh-FtYP9s88
Good morning CQNers,
I woke early which give me time to meander through various web sites looking for Mhairi Black’s maiden speech, my interest being piqued by some of Ms Black’s reported thoughts on Celtic.
As far as I can see she hasn’t made it yet but my search did throw up the link to Bernadette Devlin through the youngest/ youngest female elected to Westminster.
What I found brought me back many happy memories and for those interested Bernadette departed from the usual convention for maiden speeches and gave what was recognised as one of the finest maiden speeches seen in that place.
http://www.cfwd.org.uk/uploads/Devlin%20Speech.pdf
I also came across this about her views on Scottish Independence; it’s over 18 minutes long but worthwhile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGddHDoOeno
murdochbhoy
06:31 on
16 June, 2015
Bernadette Devlin appearing live on Panorama with the N.Ireland leader of the day.Late `60s?
“Well,says,he if that`s the case,then I`m a Dutchman”
“And you wouldn`t be the first Dutchman to sully the shores of Ireland”,says she.
One of the best spontaneous one liners I ever heard.
Good morning friends and a Big Happy Fleetwood Mac Bucket List Day from a dry, still but grey EK.
Folks does anyone know whether the game against Rennes on Saturday 25th July is a freebie on the season ticket or not?
thompsontwin at least use some facts that can’t be ripped. Apart from having 60% of all European off shore oil, large hydro electric schemes and even off shore tidal power generation In October last year Scotland produced enough wind Power to supply every house in Scotland. Ok might be only 75% in Summer ; )
Beg for energy supplies, really. I am not that scared.
Talking of politics…………..
RTE last night – “Collusion”……….belter of a programme.
Ken “Kenneth” Magennis…….belter……..
HH
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
Yeah,
I also like this ….reporter ” do you intend to apologise to Mr Maudling” (for smacking him in the House of Commons)
Bernadette “I’m just sorry I didn’t get him around the throat”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00nm166
Love it
bankiebhoy1
Couldn’t get it here but I’m hoping to get it on catch up. It would appear that RTE have finally got what many of us knew for years.
“New Rangers manager Mark Warburton has revealed he would have turned down the job at Ibrox if the directors had failed to convince him the club’s off-the-field financial problems will not have a negative impact on his tenure”
Duped, anyone?
TBB
I’m more inclined to go with naive.
Morning all,
Beautiful morning here in gai Paree.
Anybody got a link to the EBT result… erm, I mean the EGM result?
Cannae seem to locate it anywhere.
Aye Bready!
Depends on the length of his tenure.
Sixties even it was due on Monday, no mention of which Monday.
tbb are the rags now calling thems New Rangers, bout time.
Anyone see the Breakfast show. They showed the new The Rangers manager’s entrance to the press, Brilliantly funny and so thought all the Breakfast team. Highly embarrassing also I should add.
Did any of the dutiful msm care to ask Warburton how much was in his ‘warchest’? Or King? They’re playing a blinder as usual. Thanks Jabba and Co.
Alex Salmond…..
I love football. I always have.
On Saturday I brought forward a speaking engagement in Renfrew, rushed home to Strichen to watch every kick of the ball of the Ireland Scotland game. I was spread out on the living room carpet when I wasn’t pacing up and down!
It was a great occasion rather than a great football match. The on-field effort was rough, tough and uncompromising. However, on the terraces the Irish and Scottish fans did themselves proud. There is an overwhelming
optimistic feeling that Scotland now have a manager who can bring the best out of his players.
St Gordon Strachan is well on the way to securing my holiday plans for France next year! In contrast, five years ago Scottish club football was in a real mess and not because of what was
taking place on the field.
The popular, talented and outspoken manager of Celtic Football Club was receiving bullets through the post and was even physically attacked during a match at Tynecastle.
Sectarian chants were commonplace and not just at Old Firm games.
Viewers were understandably annoyed to hear offensive songs mocking the Irish famine on the one hand or glorifying IRA terrorists on the other clearly audible in their living rooms. The reputation of our beautiful game was being dragged to an all-time low.
As First Minister I decided that enough was enough. I thought it was reasonable for the wider community to expect people to attend football matches and enjoy themselves without behaving in an offensive manner.
The old criminal code was not fit for this purpose. The catch-all penalty of “breach of the peace” was vulnerable to clever dick lawyers who successfully argued that sectarian chants could not cause a breach of the peace if everybody in earshot was singing along!
In other words, if offensive and sectarian behaviour was general then it wasn’t criminal. It was like arguing that if the whole world were robbing banks then it didn’t matter if you helped
yourself to the loot!
This could not stand and thus was born the Offensive Behaviour and Football Matches Act. The Act wasn’t designed to be popular and at first it wasn’t. Organised groups of fans opposed it, apparently believing it was aimed at them but somehow not at their rivals. Banners were unfurled at grounds describing the then First Minister in a less than flattering manner!
In fact, it was aimed at everyone, that is everyone who couldn’t behave when enjoying themselves. Of course, 99% of fans always behaved. They were being let down by the other 1%, regardless of their club adherence.
Although some clubs spoke out in favour, others were running scared from what they thought their own fans would think. It is one of the key parts of current football irresponsibility that a few club owners believe that the rest of society need to pay through the nose for public order problems generated at their games.
Even some Scottish sheriffs weren’t happy with the legislation and used their freedom to say so in court, claiming that it would be unworkable. In fact, the Act was immediately successful in obtaining convictions and then improving behaviour.
The BBC didn’t much like it and gave over tons of airtime to a libertarian academic who seemed to think that sectarianism didn’t really exist, was hazy in his knowledge of Scotland and broadcast that everyone at football matches should be free to say what they liked regardless of offence, prejudice, race or religion.
The bulk of the print media were not much impressed either, giving bags of coverage to anyone who had anything bad to say about the Act. Even some commentators who normally enlighten the nation mused about the supposed threat to civil liberties, with no thought to the real freedom of being able to go to the football without being religiously abused.
A few politicians thought they could court popularity by cynically campaigning against it. They lost their seats at the recent election. It turns out now that they were all wrong.
As part of the introduction, I promised parliament to publish a full review after three years of operation. It wasn’t a sign of weakness to do that. It was a sign of confidence that it was time for a change and time would tell.
That review was published this week and lo and behold the critics were up a gumtree. No less than 80% of the public back the new law including the vast majority of footy fans. They know that things are changing for the better.
In 2014/15 there were 193 charges under the Act. This is a decrease of 6% on the 206 charges reported in 2013/14, and a reduction of 28% on the 267 charges reported in 2012/13.
The accused had an affiliation with Rangers in 58 (30%) charges, Aberdeen in 30 (16%) charges, Celtic 19 (10%) charges, and Hibernian in 16 (8%). At Tynecastle, where some of the worst incidents had occurred, things have improved dramatically. This
suggests to me that placing a club into decent ownership can contribute to better behaviour by the fans.
In this light it is perhaps significant that the number and proportion of charges where an affiliation with Rangers was noted has remained similar. The proportion of accused who had an affiliation with Celtic has decreased substantially in the last year.
Of the 58 charges relating to “hateful” behaviour, 50 charges (26%) involved incidents of religious hatred, 4% involved racial hatred, and no charges involved sexual orientation. It is a relief therefore to find that even our badly behaved fans are not sexist or homophobic at the games!
However, the relationship between Old Firm matches and spikes in crimes of domestic violence is a huge issue which requires much further effort to tackle and to do so before these matches come back on to the football calendar.
Roman Catholicism was the main religion that was the subject of the charges that related to religion. Forty two of the charges (84%) included behaviour that was derogatory towards Roman Catholicism.
Around a quarter of the charges (24%) took place in Glasgow. This is no great surprise but it should be said that it is only half the percentage of 2012/13.
Interestingly, it was suggested by many that it would be impossible to enforce the communications part of the Act because it would be impossible to police the internet. Total nonsense. In fact, it has been one of the most successful aspects of the Act.
So here we are now and what do the critics say? A few have the decency to admit they were wrong. A few accept that things are indeed improving. Most concentrated on the idea that the
Government should explicitly move away from custodial sentences, ignoring the fact that in the last year there has only been one!
In fact, what there has been is a demonstration that if society lays down boundaries on what is acceptable and what is not, then behaviour can change for the better, and a good thing too.
No doubt there is still a massive amount to be done. No doubt there will be setbacks in the future. However, at least something has been done. It seems to be working and is popular with the people.
Now all our clubs have to do is to emulate Gordon Strachan and make sure that the play on the field matches the improvements on the terraces.
And to make sure that all of our club fans match the exemplary behaviour of our Tartan Army
HT – would fit with his inexperience. Ingenue?
Taurangabhoy – Nice one :¬)
Morning all.
Dull as dishwater down here once again. So, we will have had our summer………….
I haven’t seen that programme on Irish TV last night but I imagine it must have broadcast a few truths that Britain wouldn’t want to be aired. I say this because Radio Scotland had an interview with the BBC Northern Ireland Security Correspondent (Murray??) about it. He went immediately into deflection mode as it didn’t deal with Sein Fein and/or the IRA. The conversation then went on to talk about their informers.
TBB
Isn’t that usually in reference to a wumman? :-)
Ye I doubt he has the managerial experience to fully comprehend the scale of the problems at Ibrox.
Why is Salmond claiming that the existing legislation didn’t work? It did; it simply wasn’t being enacted because it affected only those who really are sectarian. His Act is purelyaimed at evening things up. One of his colleagues claimed exactly that.
tnt
“The accused had an affiliation with Rangers in 58 (30%) charges, Aberdeen in 30 (16%) charges, Celtic 19 (10%) charges, and Hibernian in 16 (8%). At Tynecastle, where some of the worst incidents had occurred, things have improved dramatically. This
suggests to me that placing a club into decent ownership can contribute to better behaviour by the fans.”
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The whole thing sounds like a bit of a fence-mender directed in particular at Tims.
“Decent ownership”……..On safe ground insulting a non-Scot.
Parkheadcumsalford
Curious article from Salmond and shows how far removed he is from the reality of the act.
Thompson Twin/Alfie
I am in a rush now so my only point is that you seem more keen to win the argument and alienate the supporters of the opposition view than to win back the people holding that view and being more persuasive with the argument.
I know that outlandish claims are made by the SNP but you have walked into a bit of a populist dead end with the energy issue.
Later.
sipsini
22:48 on
15 June, 2015
Oh well moonhowling for me tonight, another two days off…go up and check in on my da tomorrow, then go for a few beers in Ruggy.
VP/Pete the pirate I’ll be in the New Orleans in the afternoon if you fancy a beer.
I’ll be with a wee jump the dyke hun, nice wee bloke though.
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Sips
Sorry mhate,nightshift this week,then holibags for 10 from next Tuesday.
Canny wait,enjoy yir day ….despite the company :O)hh