Following yesterday’s article on the cosy relationship between the police and Scottish Government, who are alarming a remarkably wide range of society, a flurry of information has been passed back to me, including the following notes on the Integration of Scottish Criminal Justice Information Systems (ISCJIS) database. The First Minister has stonewalled requests to breakdown religiously aggravated crime, claiming the Crown Office have destroyed their records, but my source suggests the information is available for analysis in the ISCJIS database. I’m told:
“The material stored (in the ISCJIS database) ranges from simple conviction records, to DNA, and social status. The data is used primarily for presenting Criminal History in court cases, and in identifying suspects in criminal investigations. It is also used of course to measure the social impact of changes in Legislation and Enforcement Policy, as evidenced by the current furore. It will also be used to predict the impact of such changes, particularly as regards Equality and Diversity impacts, which is a statutory requirement of any proposed Legislation. You see, the ‘missing’ data is actually necessary in predicting the impact on Equality of the Offensive Behaviour Bill.”
“Essentially, if you want to know how many Section 74 Breach of the Peace convictions (Aggravation for Religious Prejudice) or even charges, there were at a given point in time in a given court, you simply search on the Breach of the Peace Conviction Code and add the modifier code ‘P’ indicating Religious Aggravation. All such offences are then returned, with full access (rights permitted) to the Reports and Case Notes.”
To assist the First Minister, below is information on what the enquiry form he has to complete looks like. This is a link to the operation manual and if he’s really stuck he can call the helpdesk on 0141-585 – 8333.
We can only speculate why the authorities are so reluctant to disclose information on, on a subject so close to their hearts.
Quick shout for the John Thomson Memorial Fund, which is benefiting from the sale of 60″ posters for the recent stage play, check them out on ebay.
OFFENCE AGGRAVATION
DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence that adds to the Offence Code by highlighting particular circumstances relating to the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
DATA ITEMS: Crime/Offence Aggravator.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field – Alpha or Zero.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 1 character long and consists of an alpha code, which identifies the Aggravation to the offence committed. It is possible that a charge can have a combination of up to 6 aggravations. An aggravation description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Aggravation code into text to specify the nature of the Aggravation.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS – maintained by Crown Office.
CODES: Over page:-
CODE Aggravation Inactive indicator
Anticipated activation date
0 No Aggravation
A Anti Social Behaviour
B Offending whilst on Bail
C Cancelled
D Domestic Abuse
E Disability
F Football
G Football Banning Order
H Harassment
I Harassment Order
J Connected to Serious Crime Y October 2010
K Offence against a child
OFFENCE MODIFIER DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence which provides additional information for the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field. Alpha, numeric.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 4 characters long and consists of an alphanumeric code, which identifies additional elements of the charge. The code will consist of an alphabetic character followed by 3 numeric characters. If no modifier exists, 4 0’s (zeroes) characters will be transferred. An Offence Modifier description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Modifier code into text to specify the nature of the Offence Modifier.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS maintained by Crown Office
CODES:- See offence modifier codes. The current
definitions are:-
A For Class A Drugs
B For Class B Drugs
C For Class C Drugs
W For Weapons
L Breach of undertaking
Y October 2010
N Sexual Orientation
O Sex Offenders Order
P Religious
R Racial
S Sexual
Q Transgender
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JimBob
Personal random Mon the Hoops
Hail Hail
jude2005
Is that really a big deal to you.
When I see Xmas I never read it as Xmas. Always Christmas.
I don’t see the problem. But then again I’m a Jedi knight so 1. Christ is of no consequence to me and 2. My Jedi powers may be what auto corrects Christ for X.
I don’t believe many people actually replace Christ with X because the do not believe. It’s just easier to type.
MWD loves circular arguments/debates.
grenjedi
“See if you refuse to answer a simple Yes or No answer, you just make yourself look like an idiot and everybody just laughs at you.”
Not going into the specifics of your argument with ernie but, as a general principle, the above is untrue.
You framed the question and demanded a yes/no response as that would be sufficient for your purposes. The responder is under no such obligation in an argument to limit their response to yes/no. For most of the questions I am asked in life a yes/no response would be ludicrously simplistic. And the clever, non-idiotic thing, to do is to refuse their terms and answer as you see fit to represent your point as best you can.
dm :o)
Tried to tell the wife she was too early with the Christmas tree, central heating has fainted the poor thing already.
Bonty Bhoy
“and being an atheist with a bit of proddy heritage I’ve no axe to grind…”
How comes the rest of us have baggage but you have managed to transcend that state and can represent your opinion as reality, which is what you go on to do in the following sentence to the above.
Is there a course I can go on to develop such powers? :-)
TTTT
They released 2010 data a couple of weeks ago although it was highly tainted with an attempt to cover the true figures and blame it all on Celtic.
If you could get your hands on the data it would be a full time job for a few weeks to decipher it.
MWD
greenjedi says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:47
‘Ernie
See if you refuse to answer a simple Yes or No answer, you just make yourself look like an idiot and everybody just laughs at you. Have the courage to answer the question. I’ve put it below to make it easy for you.
Are you seriously saying those nut jobs where only founders of the SNP and did not belong to any other party?
A simple Yes or No will suffice.’
Yor question isn’t clear. Think about what you’re trying to ask me and have another go at writing the question.
Bourne,
Personal planned Hail! Hail!
setting free the bears says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:52
grenjedi
“See if you refuse to answer a simple Yes or No answer, you just make yourself look like an idiot and everybody just laughs at you.”
Not going into the specifics of your argument with ernie but, as a general principle, the above is untrue.
You framed the question and demanded a yes/no response as that would be sufficient for your purposes. The responder is under no such obligation in an argument to limit their response to yes/no. For most of the questions I am asked in life a yes/no response would be ludicrously simplistic. And the clever, non-idiotic thing, to do is to refuse their terms and answer as you see fit to represent your point as best you can.
share
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I agree that can be the case with most questions, but the question I asked doesn’t fall into that catagory though. Everybody agrees the SNP was partially founded by Anti Catholic people, no arguements there. But he seems to feel to give the impression he thinks other parties at that time where not populated by those who felt the same.
I’m asking if that is the case, so a simple yes or no is the correct answer, anything else is just a fudge.
Moonbeams WD
You have completely misinterpreted the statistics to which you referred. You need to analyse, not just the crimes themselves, but also the victims. You need to ask who the actual victims were. Do not assume, as you have done that the victims were Catholic, if you do you will completely skew your interpretation.
setting free the bears says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:56
Atheists often have the biggest axe to grind when it comes to religious faiths, lol.
See Richard Dawkins.
BontyBhoy says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:48
‘Ernie
You’re talking nonsense, as usual.
I studied this, they teach it in history at the non-denominational educational establishments.’
Are you familiar with the works of Andrew Dewar Gibb?
I suspect the answer is no.
Here’s an easier one.
Have you ever heard of Andrew Dewar Gibb?
bag o’sand
jimmci
I stayed for 4 nights in this place last summer:
Hotel Gambrinus, Via Piave 35, Rome, RM 00187 Italy
It’s in a decent area about 20 mins walk from the historic centre. About 10 mins from the train/ bus station.
Like many city hotels the rooms were smallish but perfectly well appointed. My rate included breakfast which included a hot buffet as well as the usual continental stuff.
Across the road is an outstanding wood fired pizzeria and plenty of family style restaurants in close proximity.
Jude2005
Sorry. Forgot my :o) as I was not being serious.
MWD
dirtymac – thanks that’s reassuring, but I’ll leave it to someone with the time on their hands to go through the data and come up with the summary figures…like an accountant?!
The SNP wouldn’t be able to dispute any summary report, as you say they’ve mislaid their own breakdowns of the figures.
T4
Are you seriously saying those nut jobs where only founders of the SNP and did not belong to any other party?
A simple Yes or No will suffice.’
Yor question isn’t clear. Think about what you’re trying to ask me and have another go at writing the question.
……………………
Seriously?
What part if the question isn’t clear. I mean its a simple question, no big words, no possible way for it to be misrepresented.
Answer the question!
Hurry up Thursday Evening
MWD
Yes it is and very much so. Our Christian beliefs are slowly being eroded and so will your Jedi. Thers them out there who want to change everything about Christmas. I say to them if you dont like it then GO!!! Just like the Aussies do. 20 years from now it wont be Merry Christmas on the cards. I’tt be seasonal greetings!!
MWD
</O((0) lol
Merry Christmas Ernie Lynch you arrogant little turd
Bonty @ 12:48
In what ways do you think the absence of the Catholic Church would improve the lot of mankind … ?
FF
The Archdiocese, Professor Tom Devine, Professor Tom Gallagher and significant others have been asking for this data since 2007 and have been
told by senior politicians from the snp and the crown office that this data has been deleted/shredded, that as i understand it is the snp position.
If, as Paul has shown, that data is still accessible then surely those requesting the said data have the wherewithal ie time, ability, resources and
very good reason to dig this information up and let it see daylight. There are, i’ve no doubt, some on here who might be capable of the same.
Stop and think for a moment……..If it shows what we’ve suspected all along based on the figures shown by
Moonbeams WD. \o/ Kano 1000 Supporting Neil Lennon 100%.14 December, 2011 at 12:33 then there will be an uproar of gigantic proportions, the
ramifications of this becoming public knowledge will show scottish society as it really is, not a pretty sight.
Phil
Whens the next N A due???lol
Blogger is busy here is another one:
http://scottishlaw.blogspot.com/2011/12/wednesday-14-december-2011-day.html
You can sing anything you want in your own mind. So if you are into the PIRA, IRA do the add ons in your mind. When I was young and had no job I joined the RN. I took the ‘Queen’s Shilling.’ I had to listen to GSTQ every morning on parade. No problem, I sang The Solsiers Song In my Mind: Offended no one.
One good thing about being a Catholic in 1963 in HMF was Catholics had to fall out on parade during the ‘Religious Service.’ Good time for a fag. Amazing how many RC’s we had in the RN in those good old days.
Support the team. Ignore the Establishment. Your mind is your own. Do not let them trick you.
I really would love the Green Brigade to sing Hail Gloria Saint Patrick followed by Faith of Our Fathers. However, I believe we may then be fined for singing songs with too many references to Erin, or too many references to Rome, or for having too many happy singing supporters.
Keep the faith. Let the people Sing. Hail! Hail!
Jude
Phil can’t answer just now … he’s away down to reception trying to find the parcel I told him about.
Folly Folly says:
14 December, 2011 at 13:07
Less people to pick on due to their different religion?
greenjedi says:
14 December, 2011 at 13:02
Are you seriously saying those nut jobs where only founders of the SNP and did not belong to any other party?
A simple Yes or No will suffice.’
Yor question isn’t clear. Think about what you’re trying to ask me and have another go at writing the question.
……………………
‘Seriously?
What part if the question isn’t clear. I mean its a simple question, no big words, no possible way for it to be misrepresented.
Answer the question!’
OK. Fair enough. Maybe you really are pushing the envelope of your powers and can’t express yourself more clearly, though I doubt it.
Firstly who are you referring to as ‘nutjobs’?
I used the word to refer to the founders of the SNP, so logically it follows that those ‘nutjobs’ where (sic) only founders of the SNP. They may previously have belonged to other parties but I don’t think that’s what you’re asking.
dirtymac
Aitheism is a non- prophet organisation.
Roman Catholics continue to be overrepresented in Scotland’s prison population, but the situation appears to be improving slowly. Catholics accounted for 28% of Scottish prisoners in 2001, 24% in 2006 and 23% in 2008-09, whereas they constituted 16% of all Scots at the 2001 census.
This is one key finding of newly-published desk-based research commissioned by the Public Petitions Committee of the Scottish Parliament and undertaken by Dr Susan Wiltshire, who lectures in crime and criminal justice at the University of Glasgow.
Her study follows long-standing concerns raised in the Scottish Parliament and Scottish media about the apparently excessive number of Catholic prisoners, and speculation about the possible reasons for this.
But the specific origins of the secondary analysis of existing research and statistics are to be found in Tom Minogue’s Open Petition PE1073 on the topic, which was lodged on 14 September 2007, and in follow-on investigations by the Scottish Parliament.
Deep-rooted prejudice and discrimination against Catholics in Scotland and suspected sectarianism in the criminal justice system (especially at sentencing) have often been thought to lie at the root of the problem.
However, Wiltshire is inclined to downplay this causation and to locate the primary explanation in the strong relationships between socio-economic disadvantage and imprisonment and between Catholics and disadvantage, which can be documented from the 2001 census and other sources.
Age is also a factor. 40% of Scottish Catholics were under 30 at the census, significantly more than was the case with affiliates of other Christian denominations in Scotland.
Since almost half of prisoners are under 30, it can be seen that Catholics are disproportionately drawn from the age cohort most likely to be in prison.
Likewise, residence is part of the equation, not least in Glasgow, which records both above-average rates of imprisonment and of Catholics among the city’s residents.
‘In sum, the Catholic population is most embedded in the West of Scotland in areas of deprivation, where a large proportion of prisoners are likely to reside. It is also where most Section 74 (religious aggravator) offences have occurred.’
‘The question therefore should shift from asking why Catholics are disproportionately represented in Scottish jails to why so many Catholics continue to live in areas of deprivation in Scotland, particularly the West, and why they score worse on a range of social indicators. It seems clear that Catholics are disproportionately represented in Scottish jails because of the compelling relationship between deprivation and imprisonment.’
– lifted off the ole WorldwideWeb, SIMBT.
Now you could look at the relationshi between Catholics, deprivation and social disadvantage, that couldn’t be down to ‘deep-rooted prejudice and discrimination’?
2010 Never Again
Why would anyone want to dance to the tune of a troll? Isn’t that their sole purpose for being on here.
MWD
“If you could get your hands on the data it would be a full time job for a few weeks to decipher it.”
Ever required an Enhanced Disclosure report?
I am reliably informed that a Standard Grade Computer Science student would take all of 5 minutes to write the SQL search strong and extract the relevant data.
Of course, thereafter analysing how and why these offences were committed in the first place would fill a few PhD papers.
Points in it all are:
1) The data exists in full form, together with all relevant case notes, reports and other material. It is accessed numerous times each day.
2) If we don’t analyse the data, we are misinformed and therefore unable to address the societal issues that continue to vex us all.
3) Clearly, the current Scottish Government wants to keep it this way.
TBB
F F
That was sneeky. But I lafftt!! )0)>
Hibernian forward Leigh Griffiths has been given a one-match ban for a gesture aimed at Rangers fans.
The Edinburgh club have decided against contesting the punishment after being served with a notice of complaint from the Scottish Football Association.
And the 21-year-old, on loan from Wolves, will miss the Scottish Premier League visit to Aberdeen on Saturday.
Griffiths made the gesture during Hibs’ 2-0 defeat after visiting supporters jeered when he toppled over.
His action was caught by the television cameras at Easter Road and SFA compliance officer Vincent Lunny determined it a breach of rule 200, with “offensive, insulting or abusive gestures” deemed a sending-off offence.
A statement on the club website read: “Hibernian FC confirmed today it would not be appealing the notice of complaint issued by the Scottish FA compliance officer against Leigh Griffiths and would accept the one-match suspension offered.”
(From BBC)
It seems that Mr Lunny must watch a lot of television
Faster than a speeding locomotive – Philvis Man
stflannansbg says:
14 December, 2011 at 13:10
An excellent statement, motto, slogan – call it what you will:
Support the team. Ignore the Establishment. Your mind is your own. Do not let them trick you.
Great advice!
Hail Hail