Following yesterday’s article on the cosy relationship between the police and Scottish Government, who are alarming a remarkably wide range of society, a flurry of information has been passed back to me, including the following notes on the Integration of Scottish Criminal Justice Information Systems (ISCJIS) database. The First Minister has stonewalled requests to breakdown religiously aggravated crime, claiming the Crown Office have destroyed their records, but my source suggests the information is available for analysis in the ISCJIS database. I’m told:
“The material stored (in the ISCJIS database) ranges from simple conviction records, to DNA, and social status. The data is used primarily for presenting Criminal History in court cases, and in identifying suspects in criminal investigations. It is also used of course to measure the social impact of changes in Legislation and Enforcement Policy, as evidenced by the current furore. It will also be used to predict the impact of such changes, particularly as regards Equality and Diversity impacts, which is a statutory requirement of any proposed Legislation. You see, the ‘missing’ data is actually necessary in predicting the impact on Equality of the Offensive Behaviour Bill.”
“Essentially, if you want to know how many Section 74 Breach of the Peace convictions (Aggravation for Religious Prejudice) or even charges, there were at a given point in time in a given court, you simply search on the Breach of the Peace Conviction Code and add the modifier code ‘P’ indicating Religious Aggravation. All such offences are then returned, with full access (rights permitted) to the Reports and Case Notes.”
To assist the First Minister, below is information on what the enquiry form he has to complete looks like. This is a link to the operation manual and if he’s really stuck he can call the helpdesk on 0141-585 – 8333.
We can only speculate why the authorities are so reluctant to disclose information on, on a subject so close to their hearts.
Quick shout for the John Thomson Memorial Fund, which is benefiting from the sale of 60″ posters for the recent stage play, check them out on ebay.
OFFENCE AGGRAVATION
DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence that adds to the Offence Code by highlighting particular circumstances relating to the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
DATA ITEMS: Crime/Offence Aggravator.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field – Alpha or Zero.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 1 character long and consists of an alpha code, which identifies the Aggravation to the offence committed. It is possible that a charge can have a combination of up to 6 aggravations. An aggravation description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Aggravation code into text to specify the nature of the Aggravation.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS – maintained by Crown Office.
CODES: Over page:-
CODE Aggravation Inactive indicator
Anticipated activation date
0 No Aggravation
A Anti Social Behaviour
B Offending whilst on Bail
C Cancelled
D Domestic Abuse
E Disability
F Football
G Football Banning Order
H Harassment
I Harassment Order
J Connected to Serious Crime Y October 2010
K Offence against a child
OFFENCE MODIFIER DEFINITION: The code for a crime or offence which provides additional information for the specific incident as opposed to the actual charge.
PERMISSIBLE CHARACTER SET: Code field. Alpha, numeric.
RANGES/VALUES: The code field is 4 characters long and consists of an alphanumeric code, which identifies additional elements of the charge. The code will consist of an alphabetic character followed by 3 numeric characters. If no modifier exists, 4 0’s (zeroes) characters will be transferred. An Offence Modifier description may be held in a text field within individual systems and will be an automatic expansion of the Offence Modifier code into text to specify the nature of the Offence Modifier.
PRIMARY OWNERSHIP: ISCJIS maintained by Crown Office
CODES:- See offence modifier codes. The current
definitions are:-
A For Class A Drugs
B For Class B Drugs
C For Class C Drugs
W For Weapons
L Breach of undertaking
Y October 2010
N Sexual Orientation
O Sex Offenders Order
P Religious
R Racial
S Sexual
Q Transgender
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whitedogunch
“she is a procrastinator of art”
Oh so she says she’s going to paint today, but, does it tomorrow…
PS any chance of your email address for future restaraunt updates? por cierto.
Did not vote SNP, never would
The proposed Bill is tosh – dangerous tosh
Police conduct, awful & possibly illegal
Destruction of data IF deliberate and not a routine act, impeachable
People who forced UEFA to act none of the above.
It was a small number of Celtic fans who ignored the wishes of the vast majority of fans, the club, the manager, the supporters associations etc etc. to bin the chants. Such stupidity.
dirtymac says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:10
lorbobo says:
14 December, 2011 at 11:44
Neither, it’s an attempt to cover up Scotland’s not-so-secret shame from prying eyes.
share
It’s collusion then. The Snp know RCs are in greater danger than other groups in Scottish society. Rather than face the problem the Snp hide it. They are as bad as the criminals who Assault RCs.
neveralone says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:04
” Indigenous Catholics were acceptable”
Whit?!?!?’
There were pockets of Scotland where Catholicism survived the Reformation, principally in the Western Highlands and the North East.
The nutjobs who founded the SNP had no problem with the people of these communities because they regarded them as racially Scottish.
As I said the issue they had a problem with was race not religion.
They thought that the Scottish race was superior in every respect to the Irish race and felt that the Scottish race would be undermined by the influx of so many racially inferior people.
They did not object to Irish Protestant immigrants because they regarded them as racially Scottish.
To modern eyes it seems as bizarre as it is offensive, but that’s the way it was.
Ernie
Are you seriously saying those nut jobs where only founders of the SNP and did not belong to any other party?
I think a Yes or a No answer is appropriate in this instance.
Nobody as far as I have seen is denying some of the founders of the SNP where anti catholic, but saying Scottish society as a whole was as well.
Off topic….
How many penalties have the huns had since naizzy got injured ?
row z \o/ (O) Mississippi Burnin Nearer Home says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:14
‘Let’s assume/accept your hypothesis is correct and that the SNP was crammed full of Scots racists (as opposed to bigots) roughly in the De Valera mould (not uncommon across Europe). Let’s also assume that the non-racist bigots who were only ever anti-Catholic were aligned to the Scottish Unionist Party.
How come the proletarian mass weren’t voting the SNP into seats and office if they agreed with this approach?’
I’m not aware of Dev writing anything remotely like the racist rants of the likes of Andrew Dewar Gibb.
It appears that you don’t actually know anything about the subject. Not that that would stop you from having an opinion.
The SNP was a tiny sect of nutters. They were utterly insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
dirtymac – indeed !
lorbobo – we don’t know that RC’s are 6 times more likely to be attacked because they’ve supposedly binned the data which will prove/disprove that theory!
Now, in a mature democratic country with a fully empowered free press someone would normally write an editorial asking why the data had been binned, as it would clearly be a requirement in formulating policies put forward to deal with sectarianism.
Hmmmm!
T4
F5 a-go-go!
T4
When we hear this at Celtic Park
“Let the People sing”
Do they mean, “let the people sing, but not that one, not that one either, no no definitely not that one. We know they’re not illegal, but if you sing them the SNP will just change the law so they are, so best not to.”
tommytwiststommyturns Kano 1000 says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:28
The data has not been binned, only reports based on the data.
TTTT
I think you’ll find that between 2006 and this years figures released by the BNP (sorry – I mean SNP) that we are now living in a country were if you are Catholic or perceived to be a Catholic that your ár 7 to 8 times more likely to be attacked verbally or physically than if you are not Catholic.
5,062,011 (Scotland’s Population Census).
No particulars re. Religous split however:
The last stats released in 2008 stated Cathic population as 667,000 which was a fall of
146,000 in 1982.
So for the purpose of simplicity for calculations I will round up to 700,000.
With regards the published Sectarian results from today:
700,000/400= 1 in 1750 Catholic/Perceived Catholic were victims of Sectarian offences.
Non-Catholics (5,062,011-700,000)/296=1 in 14,763 non-Catholic were victims of Sectarian offences.
14736/1750= A Catholic/Perceived Catholic is 8.4 times more likely to be a victim of Sectarian offences than a non-Catholic.
MWD
dirtymac – so why can’t we get hold of said data?
T4
greenjedi says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:26
‘Nobody as far as I have seen is denying some of the founders of the SNP where anti catholic, but saying Scottish society as a whole was as well.’
Until the 1960s most people in the Southern states of the USA were racist to a greater or lesser extent.
Very few of them joined the KKK.
That’s the difference.
Why are SNP members in denial about the origins of the party?
It’s like huns arguing the never had a sectarian signing policy
The data for 2006 and for 2010 showed that RCs were 6 times more likely to be assaulted. The ‘lost’ data must be even worse if it had to be ‘mislaid’.
ernie lynch says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:28
The SNP was a tiny sect of nutters. They were utterly insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
Ernie
So why are you so fixated on this? Does it have any meaning/significance for where we are now? Are you alluding to the notion that they haven’t been cleaned out/overtaken? Is there a lurking danger we are unaware of?
I think unfortunately there is a genuine problem with anti -Irish/anti-Catholic sentiment in parts of Scotland. The crime statistics bear this out, the ‘Not Proven ‘verdict in the Neil lennon assault case, vandalism of RC Churches.
So those of us of the Irish diaspora who live in certain parts of Scotland have a real problem to deal with, a real problem that needs to be addressed.
This problem is not going to be ameliorated either by the proposed legislation, nor by the unfortunate current masterpiece of hunguffery that is the perception that support for Celtic is the same as support for the IRA.
tommytwiststommyturns Kano 1000 says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:34
I don’t know, have you tried?
The data is still there.
The other interesting statistic relevant to the Justice system is that if you are a Catholic in Scotland and found guilty of a crime, you’re more likely to get the jail.
Modern anti-Irish/anti-Catholic sentiment in parts of Scotland is rubbish.
dirtymac – no, but I previously read on here that the Archdiocese had been asking for such data since 2007. Are you saying that this information is available under the Freedom of Information act?
BTW have you read the title of this current CQN article?!
T4
Dontbrattbakkinanger says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:37
Is that true?
I understand the jail population skew appears to support this, but where do you get the figures of conviction v detention rate?
TTTT
Paul’s article above states categorically that the data is available.
MWD
http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/celtic-signed-and-framed-19971998-shirt/93199195
Wow. Great Xmas pressie for the hoop in your life. Stupidly cheap price!
tommytwiststommyturns Kano 1000 says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:40
Yes, I have also read the content. Did you?
http://scottishlaw.blogspot.com/2011/12/homicide-in-scotland-soars-19-yet.html
Random lunchtime Mon the Hoops
All this political stuff merely serves as a convenient smoke-screen for the culprits who, imo, have brought on ALL of this stuff from the government, The Celtic Board!!!
The day after the ‘shame-game’ when, the establishment circled the wagons to get the huns off the hook then, we should have stepped up to the plate and declared….why there was trouble in the game and, WHO caused it!!!
Instead of performing like a collection of, churchill nodding-dogs, the board should have done what we pay them to do and, stood up for Celtic FC and, supporters!IMO!
I have to go back to work just now but, there is one question I would like the answer to…..
“Who’re The Masons On The Board ?”
Hail! Hail!
May God Bless ‘Every’ Celtic Fan
laters.
Bourne,
Nice one, throw a few of them in during the afternoon, cheer me up a bit!
S B
Please keep Christ in Christmas!!
dirtymac/MWD – Paul’s article from a few days ago:
“The SNPs parliamentary majority and comfortable lead in opinion polls makes it likely they will pass their Offensive Behaviour at Football Bill this week, once and for all removing government and police responsibility to produce separate reports on sectarian crime. Instead, a range of offenses, some new, some old, will be lumped together, including a myriad of profanities.
Alex Salmond’s government has been reluctant to provide a breakdown on sectarian crime despite being asked to produce them since 2007 and has presided over the destruction of all but last year’s data. Even the release of this data required research and analysis to divine the nature of the crime.
They have also refused to re-collect data from police records, demonstrating shocking arrogance on a subject they have invested enormous amounts of resource elsewhere on. Your last window on sectarian crime under this government, acute though it is, is about to be bricked in.
The Government have also politicised the police in a manner reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher’s government during the miner’s strike. An Anti-Sectarian Crime unit appeared on the ground, without any reference to churches and community groups most affected by sectarian crime. After the Nottinghill Carnival riots of the 1970s the Metropolitan Police learned painful lessons about how necessary it was to involve community groups and leaders in any action which can be perceived to be focused on any specific section of society.
The leadership of Strathclyde Police, which looks likely to benefit from Scottish Government changes to stage a takeover of the entire Scottish police operation, appears to be, quite literally, 35 years behind their London counterparts, who long ago learned that community engagement comes first.
In the light of how they have served each other’s interests with little regard to the public, this cosy relationship of non-consulting and ambitious number of police officers from Glasgow and Holyrood politicians must be prevented from harvesting control of a combined Scottish force – the biggest prize up for grabs in policing in decades.
The proposed Bill has received almost no support from the football community and faith groups. Repealing it and de-politicising ambitious police officers will surely be one of the key promises of Salmond’s political opponents at the next Scottish Parliament elections, who will at least be able to find a popular rallying call.”
Do enlighten me! Paul’s current article now states that the data is available, so what’s the protocol for getting hold of it?
Many thanks!
TTTT
Ernie
See if you refuse to answer a simple Yes or No answer, you just make yourself look like an idiot and everybody just laughs at you. Have the courage to answer the question. I’ve put it below to make it easy for you.
Are you seriously saying those nut jobs where only founders of the SNP and did not belong to any other party?
A simple Yes or No will suffice.
Hey, Philvis …
A parcel has just been delivered for you at reception, but you need to sign for it, in person …
Ernie
You’re talking nonsense, as usual.
I studied this, they teach it in history at the non-denominational educational establishments. Catholicism and religion were not motivational factors or badges of honour worn by independence movements. There is a difference between Scottish and Irish attitudes towards this issue.
Meanwhile, it’s boring reading through the endless blundering, half formed, thoughts on attitudes towards religion. So there are people who are devout and people who are bigoted – these days either group forms a minority. Now that should be enough, but anyone who cares about our society or even just philosophy will have a view on religion and the various competing sects that can be formed without any direct or knowing contact with that religion.
For example; I’m a Celtic fan, who lives with a catholic girl, and has many catholic friends. I support Celtic and I’m broadly sympathetic with a great many of the kind of issues that Celtic fans hold dear, however, I’m also really very interested in the social effects of religion, and being an atheist with a bit of proddy heritage I’ve no axe to grind… and the reality is that, leaving aside the childish Celtic/Rangers guff and all that exceptionally low brow Republican/Unionist guff, I can honestly say without fear of contradiction or concern that I may be a bigot that I think the Catholic Church is a negative influence on the world.
Let me repeat that – The Catholic Church is a negative influence on the world. This is a broad statement, that doesn’t preclude the positive influences that church has had, but does conclude that the overall effect, today, is negative. You’d be amazed at how many people hold a similar view, but, can also manage to hold catholics in the highest of esteem. Indeed I’ve said before that where religion is concerned you’re unlikely to meet a believer which as much clarity as a catholic – we atheists respect the integrity of the catholic faith, and the rigour so many catholics employ in understanding and accomodating their faith in the modern world.
Ironically, and with an exclamation ‘of course’ that is too tedious for words, the Church of Scotland is most similar to the Catholic church in this respect.
As usual, probably said more than intended, but I’m confident there’s a few soundbites in there that the ‘morons’ (i’ve decided to embrace the slur) in our midst will have scope to peddle their twisted logic. However the point is this – you don’t have to hate a catholic to think their religion is bad news. Indeed you can dearly love a catholic and think that.
I’d go on to say this is true of all religions, and I sincerely hope that’s true, although I wonder about Islam… er, to finish the point – it’s disingenous of you, Ernie, to claim bigotry when there are acceptable intellectual reasons for disliking any particular religion.
Frankly I find it hard to respect anyone who get’s this bogged down in their religion.
dont feed the monkey
TTTT:
Unsure how, or rather where, to get a hold of it, but you should be able to get the data using a Freedom of Information act request. The data is certainly still there as the figures are needed for a number of things including the Police’s own training, protection and indeed insurance purposes.
Be warned: you will get pretty raw data – they will not collate it nicely for you (which is what has been, erm, mislaid)
BontyBhoy says:
14 December, 2011 at 12:48
There’s no such thing as a ‘non-denominational’ school in Scotland. They are either openly Faith schools or covertly Protestant schools.
Canamalar: too late, sorry ;-)