Back in October 2011 I was for calling an end to the Neil Lennon experiment. During the previous season he lost the league after a late collapse, while exiting Europe in August after defeats to Braga and Utrecht. That season Sion’s insistence in not playing by the rules allowed us a backdoor ticket to the Europa League but we were 10 points behind Ally McCoist’s Rangers.
Subsequent events proved there was not enough evidence on show to judge the Neil Lennon era early in his second season. Neil pulled things together, finished a credible third in the Europa League group and never looked back.
Ronny Deila has already made mistakes in his Celtic tenure but does anyone seriously believe he has had the opportunity and resources to build a team? Of course not. He needs to sort out the many cousins of George Weah who have arrived recently from the genuine John Guidetti’s. He needs players who can pass the ball with reasonable accuracy but most of all he needs players of courage and attitude.
I would probably be singing a different tune if we still had Rangers to contend with, long-term development objectives are important but the short-term need to win the league remains absolute, but we don’t, which means short-term targets remain well within grasp.
The memory of Rangers’ many mistakes in the years before liquidation offers another lesson. They sacked Paul Le Guen six months into a badly needed overhaul project. Le Guen was appointed months before he took up the reins and had enough time to watch his new team and scout transfer targets, but even that wasn’t enough to ensure a smooth transition, as he found the Weahs living in Austria. Le Guen was decrying his as a heretic by a club incapable of change.
Despite the tiredness after Thursday and a plethora of injuries, Celtic had enough resources to swamp a tiny football club yesterday. That we didn’t, suggests Ronny has a big job on his hands. From the frustration shown by Scott Brown and Stefan Johansen at their team-mates yesterday, I suggest he builds his recovery around these two.
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The Germans seem to think a but different, 51% supporter ownership
A new day is almost upon us. Is that not just the greatest. ?
And………………..there’s gonna be anither wan the morra. Whats not to like ?
I’m a Ronny fan.
Goodnight Celtic men and Wummin, and arseholes who contribute absolutely nothing to our club in financial terms. Those who only contribute words contribute nothing, nothing of worth.
“I’ll not wait six years for that”.
You think you are supporters? You’re not.
You contribute nothing, nothing, so you should be ignored shunned and despised
The Celtic support are the life and blood of our club.
We Are Celtic. WE ARE Celtic
Neil
You are dead right. And why not ? Its our money..
Something worries me. Do you think there is some kind of dissent the in the room ?
ACGR
How you doin’
Most of the posters and lurkers around the world (on CQN) I would suggest contribute financially to the welfare of celtic – (CELTIC TV)
ACGR
“ignored, shunned and despised” – really?
Were you talking about ISIS by any chance because I hear they are not very popular around these parts.
ACGR
BTW
Are you Celtic ?
Canamalar. We have to agree to disagree DD has given a general remit on keeping debt low. How that comes about is purely PL
Eh Where you want to use the Vic money to invest in exciting players and more trophies an increase income to maintain the low debt
Or do it the PL way ( PL career has been all about reducing costs , he was brought into the mines in Scotland to slash slash and slash spending. , he has never been an investing accountant )
The safe way to makes sure zero debt remains ( and maximise his income ) is not to spend and sell players and keep money in bank
See foster and vic. Over 20m and very little spent
Get him out now
Sydney Tim
Maybe the share holders would prefer he stay. No ?
Mongolian. I would think the majority of shareholders want him gone
That is not the same as majority of shares
DD quite happy to keep him , doesn’t really bother him one way it other if we have empty stadiums as long as his shares don’t drop on price
mungolian bhoy,
I doff my hat and head to all oversee’s Celtic men and wummin that are not as fortunate as me to see the hoops every week come good, bad or ugly, mostly ugly just now.
They put money and support into the club, as do you.
FFS It’s the non contributors, the mouthy long time posters who don’t pay, but like their say. What gives them aright of opinion before actual supporters.
I have no argument with you. You contribute.
Nice chatting, probably for the first and last time, ha ha.
HH.
Deila is fluffing the easiest task in world football: win the spfl with Celtic. We are being asked to stomach inept dross, only the fans can change this situation
FUCK THE UNOIN.
Say yes to a better world.
by ALAN PATTULLO
Given his views on the correct diet for a professional footballer, it is perhaps unsurprising that Celtic manager Ronny Deila wishes to put a carrot on the end of a stick to entice Kris Commons to sign a new contract.
Talks have been ongoing with the 31-year-old midfielder since Neil Lennon was manager. After Sunday’s 1-0 defeat to Hamilton Accies, the need to sort out the future of one of the club’s most creative players has become even more pressing.
Deila plans to make signing a new long-term contract sound appealing to Commons by integrating the player into the coaching set-up at the club, along with current skipper Scott Brown. Commons was the match winner in the 1-0 Europa League victory over Dinamo Zagreb last Thursday night and his worth to the club is obvious.
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Now Deila wants to help him fulfil his coaching ambitions with the youths at Celtic, an offer he hopes will help Commons decide to end his career at the club.
Deila revealed that both Commons and Brown have expressed an interest in becoming a manager at a future date.
“It is hard but they can try,” smiled Deila, who is currently experiencing just how perilous management can be as he seeks to prove he has what it takes to succeed at Celtic.
“We have good dialogue now about this,” said Deila with reference to Commons’ contract, which is due to expire at the end of this season.
“That is going forward all the time. Kris wants to stay and we want to keep him and I think that is the most important thing, so things will be arranged.
“They [the talks] have been very positive. He loves the club and wants to stay. Both him and Scott want to have a future in football after [they finish playing] football as well – they want to try to be manager.
“We can help them into those areas as well – we can help them think about what they want to do after their careers. It is good knowledge to have and experience to have working with youths.”
Deila believes that beginning to learn about coaching while still a player can prove very productive on the field. “It can be a positive thing even if you are playing as well,” he said. “I have had a good experience with players who have some coaching experience – they think about what I really mean and they learn how to express themselves to others, and that gives them a better understanding of the game. That’s a new task for them. And you get leadership from that.”
Asked whether Commons might be prepared to make a financial sacrifice in order to stay at the club, the manager said: “I think so. We also have to be happy that he wants to stay. He is an important player for us – he showed that with his goal [against Dinamo Zagreb].
“He is also a player with a good attitude, he wants to get better and he wants to improve. He works hard. That will make him a better player as well.”
On the prospect of the lively Brown becoming a manager, Deila added: “We will see! He has a lot of the skills that I think are important to have as a manager.”
Brown was seething after Sunday’s home defeat to Accies, which left Celtic lying in sixth position in the league at the latest international break. Indeed, he was described as being “at odds” with his manager as he faced the press afterwards.
While Brown conceded that his side “didn’t deserve anything” Deila was adamant that the performance deserved three points, and showed signs of “progression”.
Midfielder Stefan Johansen agreed that Celtic had wasted enough chances to win the game but disagreed with Deila regarding the performances. “It was not good enough,” he said. “We wanted to get an early goal but we couldn’t manage to do it. Even in the second half, we had a lot of big chances but we didn’t finish them. We’re disappointed we couldn’t win this game.”
Speaking to Celtic’s official website, Johansen added: “We expected that approach from Hamilton. They’ve done well in the league but we were playing at Celtic Park and we should win anyway. Our performance was just not good enough.”
Johansen is now preparing to play two Euro 2016 qualifiers for Norway against Malta and Bulgaria. He has already played 18 times this season for club and country but he is adamant that fatigue is not to blame for Celtic’s poor record so far this season.
“Tiredness is not a factor,” he said. “We should enjoy playing matches. Playing games is what we play football for. Excuses like tiredness or whatever, won’t come from me. I want to play matches. At this moment, I’m still very disappointed.”
ACGR
I don’t think there’s too many that don’t contribute. I think if you buy a scarf then you are a contributor. Who exactly are you talking about.?
and the soup.
Great to hear from you,tnt.
ACGR
“and the soup”. Uh?
moonhowlers are now going to bed. COYBIG
and HH
Macjay
Morning to you too.
In a rush today. Overslept a little.
Papers not great today again, except the horseracing results
Does anybody breathe in Glasgow before quarter to six AM ?
twists n turns
05:43 on
7 October, 2014
The sleep of the just.:-)
Enjoy your day.
Is there anybody out there ?
I am going to stand up right here where I am sitting.
Stand up and sing a song. Doing it right now……..
Oops, the song is called Johnstons Motor Car (not sure about the spelling of the car owner)
again I say, Is there anybody out there ?
( preferably somebody that likes Celtic)
If I had nicer teeth I would smile more. This internet conceals my uglin
From the Scotsman.
Connolly has been impressed by Scotland under wee Gordon Strachan. “I think he’s brilliant and I wish he was back at Celtic. Ach, I shouldnae have said that!”
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He shouldn`t have said that,but I know how he feels.
What a fantastic idea the re appointment of Gordon strachan as manager really is, I really hope that could happen
Do you think that Mr. Strachan would consider it ?
Mungolian bhoy
Yes I do
celticbhoy73 – we couldn’t afford the compensation that the SFA would want for Strachan. Don’t you remember how much they got from the huns for Smi……………oh, wait.
Geez, I don’t know. Is he not Content with what he accomplished ? Why did he leave ?
Are the same conditions not here today ? That’s a question. Ronny or Gord ? Don’t phone the Daily Record and pose that question. Before you know it. NEWS
Tomtheleedstim
I hear you, we all know the SFA stepped aside to allow the cardigan to return to his throne, I know they would make wee gordys passage far bumpier
Mungolian bhoy
Is he content? Probably
Would he rerun to Celtic if asked? IMO definitely. And what a manager we would be getting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2782961/Roy-Keane-reveals-turned-managing-Celtic-summer.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Roy Keane reveals he turned down managing Celtic in the summer
Roy Keane claims he turned down the Celtic manager’s job this summer
Speaking in his new book The Second Half Keane says the club failed to make him feel wanted enough
He described the situation as: ‘Right job, wrong time’
The former Manchester United midfielder played for the Parkhead club between 2005 and 2006
By Brian Marjoribanks
Published: 23:42, 6 October 2014 | Updated: 02:59, 7 October 2014
Roy Keane has revealed he turned down the chance to succeed Neil Lennon as Celtic manager in the summer because the Parkhead club failed to make him feel wanted enough.
The former Manchester United midfielder was left disappointed by a take it or leave it contract offer packed full of unappealing clauses that ‘failed to rock my boat’.
The inflexible and cut-price nature of the negotiations over the manager’s job with the Scottish champions reminded Keane of the club playing on his affections when negotiating his deal to sign as a player in 2005.
Roy Keane played for Celtic between 2005 and 2006 but turned down the chance to manage the club
Roy Keane played for Celtic between 2005 and 2006 but turned down the chance to manage the club
Keane, pictured here in his testimonial match in 2006, said Celtic didn’t make him feel wanted this summer
Keane, pictured here in his testimonial match in 2006, said Celtic didn’t make him feel wanted this summer
An unimpressed Keane was left thinking: ‘They were playing the part — ‘It’s Celtic’ — you should almost go up there for nothing.
‘Celtic wanted me but they weren’t showing how much they wanted me.’
And a non-negotiable decision to appoint his right-hand-man — thought to be under-pressure current boss Ronny Deila — also left the fiery Irishman feeling Celtic had doubts over his ability, even though he had been offered the job by majority shareholder Dermot Desmond.
Speaking in his new autobiography The Second Half, the 43-year-old recalled the moment Celtic made their move in late May.
‘I got a call: would I go and have a chat with Dermot Desmond? I’d met him once before, in 2005, when I was signing to play for Celtic.
‘I met him for a cup of tea. It was in the middle of an international week, in Dublin.
Roy Keane playing for Celic in 2006
Keane turned down the chance to manage the club this summer
Keane believes Celtic thought the club’s reputation on its own would be enough to lure him back to Parkhead
‘At the end of the chat, he said: ‘The job is yours’.
‘It was all pretty straightforward. There would be one or two restrictions, about staff. They had already picked the man who would be my assistant and they were insisting on him.
‘It didn’t scare me off but it did get me thinking. It wasn’t an ideal start. Were they doubting me already?
‘I came back to the team hotel and spoke to Martin (O’Neill). I told him I would have a think about it.
‘We (the Republic of Ireland) had a game against Italy at Craven Cottage in London on the following Saturday.
Roy Keane: I’m no big ego tripper
After turning down the Celtic manager’s job, Keane joined Aston Villa as Paul Lambert’s assistant manager
After turning down the Celtic manager’s job, Keane joined Aston Villa as Paul Lambert’s assistant manager
‘The fact I had spoken to Dermot Desmond had become public knowledge.
‘It had to, because Martin had a press conference and a few things had been leaked — as usual.
‘I was delighted. It was a massive compliment. Over the years, I had always said: “If you’re offered the Celtic job, you don’t turn it down”.
‘I was in a predicament …and my gut feeling was saying: ‘You’re on your own with this one
‘I asked Paul Gilroy, the League Managers’ Association lawyer, to speak to Celtic to discuss terms. Money hadn’t been mentioned yet.
‘I got in touch with Celtic’s chief executive, Peter Lawwell and asked him to give me a ballpark figure before negotiations got going.
‘He mentioned a figure and he said: ‘But that’s it’. Paul told me there were a lot of clauses in the contract that he wasn’t happy with. And the figures were non-negotiable.
‘I got my head around that. But it felt a bit too familiar. I had been down this road before when I signed for Celtic as a player.
‘I felt they wanted me but they weren’t showing how much they wanted me.
‘We played Italy on the Saturday and I had a message on my phone on Sunday from Dermot Desmond.
‘They wanted a heads-up by tomorrow, Monday.
‘I thought about the Celtic offer. It wasn’t rocking my boat.
‘They weren’t convincing me: ‘Listen, you’re the man for us’.
‘I went to Paul Gilroy’s house (on Sunday night). There were things I wasn’t happy with in the contract. But I know if you examined every clause too carefully, you would never sign anything.
‘I rang Dermot Desmond on the Monday and said: ‘I’m really honoured you offered me the job but I want to stay with Martin’.’
Keane would later take up an offer to coach at Aston Villa under former Celtic captain Paul Lambert.
But he denied that any such potential job offers were behind his decision to turn down Celtic.
He also spoke of his dismay that Celtic did not prove flexible enough to persuade him to change his mind when he turned down their initial unacceptable offer.
tomtheleedstim
06:13 on
7 October, 2014
Amazing.
And all this time, the P.L.critics have been assuring me that P.L.( Not D.D. ) chose Deila ( Not Roy Keane) because Deila was cheap.
Graeme Macpherson
IT is an irony probably not lost on him that the commodity Ronny Deila craves most of all is the thing that will likely run out before anything else.
At various points during his relatively short tenure as Celtic manager, Deila has spoken about the importance of time and the need to be given enough of it to ensure he can do the job properly.
He said as much when he was appointed as Neil Lennon’s successor in June and has repeated the mantra after every subsequent setback. Only recently he made the reasonable point that, had the Celtic board wanted someone who would improve things immediately, they would have had hired a bigger name with far greater experience.
When you choose to employ a then 38-year-old whose only previous managerial experience was with a relatively small club in Norway, then there is presumably an understanding that he will not remedy matters overnight.
They gave Deila time at Stromsgodset. He graduated from player-coach to manager in 2008 and spent the next two years battling against relegation. Gradually, however, he turned things around.
He brought in his own players, imparted his own ideas, worked on his philosophy. Stromsgodset won the Norwegian Cup and then their first league title in 43 years. The club’s directors were vindicated for standing by Deila during the turbulent times and eventually reaped the rewards for their patience. They saw what he was trying to do and gave him enough time to make it work.
Deila wants to emulate that blueprint here but the goalposts have moved. Celtic is a much bigger club than Stromsgodset with greater demands and expectations. Patience is in shorter supply, too. A struggling manager saying he needs more time can sometimes sound like a desperate man on death row pleading for clemency from the prison governor. Celtic supporters see their side languishing in sixth place in a one-team league, and a manager presiding over the worst record after eight games since Jozef Venglos in 1998. As Deila is quickly learning, a Celtic manager cannot plan for the long term without also taking care of short and medium-term concerns as well.
In Norway, though, he remains a hugely respected figure. Those who know Deila well have retained faith in his abilities as a manager, and believe he will prove to be a shrewd appointment by Celtic. The same phrase, however, keeps cropping up in conversation: give him time.
Adam Kwarasey was just 22 years old when Deila elected to make him his first-choice goalkeeper in 2010. The Ghanaian internationalist would go on to become his captain when they won the title last year and remains in touch with the man he considers his mentor. There is praise for the transformation Deila oversaw as he rebuilt Stromsgodset.
“Ronny means a lot to me as he gave me my chance,” he told Herald Sport. “He let me fail many times before I became the goalkeeper I am today. It’s kind of sad to see him struggle right now but it was the same thing at first here in Norway.
“We had some problems at the start but then it only went one way after that. He changed a lot of things. We went from being one of the oldest teams in the league to become one of the youngest. With the younger players he could work how he wanted and they would follow his ideas.
“For many of us it was the first coach who believed in us or gave us our chance so we would listen to him. He is good with people and can get the best out of them. It’s not for me to say what Celtic should do but if it were up to me I would give him time.”
There is an acknowledgement from Kwarasey, however, that simply copying everything that Deila did in his native land may not work at Celtic, especially with a squad of older or more experienced figures.
“Celtic is a bigger club and they expect success right away,” added Kwarasey, an international team-mate of new Celtic loanee Wakaso Mubarak. “Now Ronny has a lot of players with international experience and who have maybe won the Scottish league a few times and played in the Champions League. That maybe makes it more difficult to sell what he wants to the group. He has huge potential but he doesn’t know everything. He still needs to develop and space to grow.”
Deila appears so headstrong and confident that it is sometimes easy to forget both his youth and the fact this is his first venture overseas. Andre Bergdolmo, a 63-time capped Norwegian internationalist, arrived at Stromsgodset in 2007 for the final post of a peripatetic career that had previously taken in stops at Rosenborg, Ajax, Borussia Dortmund and FC Copenhagen.
His final year as a professional coincided with Deila’s first tenative steps as a coach and, despite being three years his senior, Bergdolmo was impressed with how his team-mate handled the step up. He has continued to follow Deila’s progress both as a pundit for Norwegian television as well a fledgling manager himself, and like Kwarasey, Bergdolmo again preached the importance of Deila being given time to make it all work.
“When he first started out, after a few months Stromsgodset was in 10th place but still the directors signed him up for another two years,” he said. “They believed in Ronny. They didn’t get stressed because they were confident he knew what he was doing. If I was the chairman of Celtic I wouldn’t rush things. They could buy players and have instant success. But Ronny wants to build things and create a team. That is his way. I hope he gets enough time to make it happen.”
Sydney
Your dreams must be insanely bizarre. Geez.
You might need time to sort out a team that’s 10th in the ole Tippiligaen
How much of a tweak do you need to give a team that’s won the SPL by 29 points?
Herald Scotland
Home > Sport > Football
Coaching role could help woo Commons
Published on 7 October 2014
Michael Grant
CELTIC may offer Kris Commons a coaching role as a sweetener to sign a new contract.
The 31-year-old’s current deal runs out at the end of this season and although there have been encouraging, on/off discussions for a number of weeks, no new agreement has been reached.
Commons joined Celtic from Derby County for just £300,000 in January, 2011, and has proved to be an exceptional piece of business, scoring 14 goals in his first five months at the club and, after a poor first full season, weighing in with 19 and then 32 in the following two campaigns.
Having announced his retirement from international football to concentrate on his club career with Celtic, Commons is understood to be settled and happy in Glasgow but has continued to consider his options before committing to what may be one of the last major contracts of his career. He has previously expressed an interest in coaching and management to former manager Neil Lennon and now to Ronny Deila, and Celtic may offer some sort of coaching position or responsibilities in an attempt to persuade him to sign another deal.
“I have a good experience with players who have some coaching experience,” said Deila. “They think about what I really mean and they learn how to express themselves to others, and that gives them a better understanding of the game. That’s a new task for them. And you get leadership from that.
“Kris loves the club and wants to stay. Him and Scott [Brown] want to have a future in football after they finish playing football as well . . . Kris wants to stay and we want to keep him and I think those are the most important things, so things will be arranged. I think he would be prepared to sacrifice a little bit to stay. We also have to be happy that he wants to stay. He is an important player for us; he showed that with his goal against Dinamo Zagreb. He is also a player with a good attitude, he wants to get better.”
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