Neil Doncaster has uttered the words “Prima Facie” more often than any other figure in public life since February when Celtic Quick News first asked if Rangers EBT payments were declared to the football authorities, almost always after the words “we don’t know if there is a”. While we are all assuming the SPL have now established Rangers have a case to answer for illegally registering footballers for over a decade, it’s important to hear the words.
Rangers refused to submit information to the SPL for three months and only did so under the duress of a deadline, but we don’t know what they have submitted. I have been concerned that Rangers would simply try to brass the entire episode out, submit the contracts the SFA and SPL already had, and deny having any record of side agreements.
Consider the clubs modus operandi in recent months and years. Sir David Murray provided cover in March, categorically denying side contracts existed, while the current men in charge have been too busy to spare much time researching the issue. A response of “We don’t have any information” would not have surprised me. Rangers submitting full information – including details on the side letters which exist but which the BBC do not have – would surprise me.
The SPL should have realised months ago they would get nothing from Rangers without a deadline but they are in awkward position if the answer from the club is not what is expected. It’s far from clear that they can take evidence from the BBC and may require information from the First Tier Tribunal verdict to substantiate what everyone knows. The verdict is unlikely to confirm any names.
Until Mr Doncaster says “Prima Facie evidence exists” we should not assume this episode is on track to be dealt with.
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31003
no, its cause there are subjects you are intolerant about, I hope.
Never tolerate inhumanity, and we bigots will fight for freedom
hail hail
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 1 June, 2012 at 23:48 said:
Sorry old bhoy…..you’ve lost me….
31003
Isn’t that the second time you’ve peddled that story. Why?
Leaving the re-telling of racism aside.
A great site if you want to broaden your mind instead of narrow it is Open Culture
http://www.openculture.com/2012/06/the_new_yorkers_fiction_podcast.html
31003 – I’m always a bit suspicious when someone starts a story with, “I’m not a racist” and have heard, “if that had been a white guy he’d have got jailed.” If an individual genuinely can’t tell people apart, what’s the problem? In this case, isn’t there a chance that the guy was being ironic? And even if he was trying to be insulting, ffs, I think that Asians can be allowed a little slack. Hardly a jailable offence….
BRTH – cheers for the recommendation.
ht – hope it’s not Modern Studies you teach, ya loony leftie?! :-)
Hmmm the luscious Salma on Beeb 2 or Ian Dury and the Blockheads on Beeb4?
Salma, you know ah luv ye, but you can hit me with your rythmn stick!
T4
31003 on 1 June, 2012 at 23:46 said:
No he wasn’t a racist. And if your boy had said the same he wouldn’t be a racist. But it depends on the tone it’s said in.
I was in a park in London, on a sunny day a few years ago and I got talking to a black guy. He had his son with him and he played about while we chatted and had a laugh. That’s my boy, he says to me all proud. I can see that, I said, with a big smile on my face and nothing but good intention in my voice.
For a split second the smile dropped from his face, then he sussed I was genuine and burst out laughing. I have a funny feeling the wrong tone would have got me a sore face that day!
That’s how it works :)
Book Bhoy
ok just back…
any point reading back to page12..naw…
Oh I dunno though….!
T4
31003,
honest, you really dont understand
Elidor69 on 1 June, 2012 at 23:51 said:
…..I don’t I think I even want to reply to you…….FFS
TTTT
Fancy anything in the Derby,
You going to Hamilton next week with twisty
flippin heck tucker..
just read back this page, dear lord….
21st century Scotland and we have Celtic fans who are the desendants of the people who have been descriminated against being like those we abhore…
and BTW language please… this is CQN.. not FF
Bookies Pen for a Button on a Blazer on 1 June, 2012 at 23:54 said:
I agree….lwhat I’m saying here is I think the guy was genuine….but….in todays culture….we all seem to be looking for scapegoats…
31003 on 1 June, 2012 at 23:29 said:
“Before I post this I would like everyone to know that I am neither racist or bigoted.”
BUT………………………………………………………and here we go. . . . . .
“Number 2 son is busily working his way through Uni. He has a part time job In a supermarket. He tells me that Pakistanis and Indians tend to frequent the premises later in the day looking for bargains.”
How does he know they are Pakistanis and Indians? – Could they not actually be Scottish, would it not be a long way to come for bargains all the way from Pakistan and India at night? Does he ask if they are from Pakistan and India? Is he just assuming this because “they all look the same”.
“Asian chap then says “well…I don’t if it was you or not…you all look the same to me……but they were on sale last night”
I laughed at this and thought that maybe to some Asians we might all look the same….to which No 2 son says….”But if I said something like that I could be jailed for racism”……now…..that got me thinking….. “
Did it get you thinking. Seems to me that you, and No. 2 son don’t do too much of that thinking stuff. Can you give an example of anyone being jailed for saying “You all look the same to me”.
No?, no I didn’t think so.
But, as you say, you’re not a racist. Aye, right. Fair enough.
thebhoyfromoz on 1 June, 2012 at 23:47 said:
The Raven.
I take it from your name that you were/ are a big fan of the stranglers. Also saw them at the Apollo in 85 and a various venues thereafter.
Watched punk britannia tonight and not a mention of themeninblack, still a good show though.
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thebhoyfromoz – yes still a big fan although i kinda lost track of their music after Hugh Cornwell left. Started listening to their modern stuff and its not to bad although no were near as good as the ol classics ! ! ! ! They play Glasgow every couple of years and i always say am gonna go but never do cos i dont think they would be as good without Cornwell , but defo going next time as jet is getting on a bit ha ha…………. were are u in oz ?
Heading up to comrie tomorrow to visit my sister..shees got one of those static caravans along at st fillians…just off the phone saying thers a street party…shees planning on going to….somehow i dont have the stomach for it….thers something about those folk wearing those hun tops that makes me boak…anyway i said id meet her and if those basts are out on show then im offski…..having noticed last few days they seem to be appearing out of the woodwork sporting their rangurs taps..in a kinda defiant mood
BT
You been out this evening?
@31003 on 1 June, 2012 at 23:56
If someone is a pr**k,ar**hole and a fa**y does that make them a Hermaphrodite??
“Calm down Calm down”
HT
aye
oot the back, long story usual result… o))
WITS – how are you doing? No, too busy at work so I’ll have to skip Hamilton next week. It’s not a course I’ve enjoyed much success at, but would have liked the craic with the CQN bhoys.
Probably go for Bonfire in the Derby, but there’s some value with Thought Worthy. O’Brien is fairly dominating the classics….again.
Main bet would have been Monterosso in the Coronation Cup, but Godolphin are struggling and they’ve pulled it.
Good luck,
TTTT
TTTT,
if you’ve got kindle, the voltaire romances are free
the complete voltair romances, no sure he done anything else
but my wee brother noted doyle got his logical deduction from the book zadig.
A recent reread identified the first football reference I’ve seen, 17someting he was talking about airfilled bladders used by the mob to kick about.
read it, real classic stuff written for us who get bored with us in mind.
great wee story’s that will remind you of just about every onther classic you’ve read.
Hamitontim:
I’ll see your Orwel and raise it by a Tressell…
RhaggedtrousereddphilantropistsCSC
31003
You sound like a H*n !
Constant foul language that’s suited to FF and RM
Take a chill pill and move on!
HT
get too bed long few hours for you…
BT
Ah good on ye you have to make the most of the fine weather while it lasts :-)
Need to get a beer over the summer.
31003 on 2 June, 2012 at 00:06
Your admission is received and forgiveness is given to you and your “Jobbie”, sorry “No2” son.
Are you a No.2 son also?
Anyway, good for you. It’s not always easy for people to accept their failings.
Good for you!
so far
The Good Ship Celtica. on 1 June, 2012 at 21:36 said:
Greenlion2,
The Confession – John Grisham
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy & The Honourable Schoolboy – John le Carre
Lord of the Flies – William Golding
I know the le Carre & Golding books are old but read the le Carre ones for the first time this year and read LotF again recently.
TGSC,
Sailing On….
praecepta on 1 June, 2012 at 21:45 said:
The Good Ship Celtica. on 1 June, 2012 at 21:36 said:
Greenlion2,
The Confession – John Grisham
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy & The Honourable Schoolboy – John le Carre.
_______________________
The Little Drummer Girl and The Perfect Spy are key to understanding JleC.
notafanofSoAL on 1 June, 2012 at 21:54 said:
greenlion2,
The Book Thief is one of the best novels I have read in years
tommytwiststommyturns on 1 June, 2012 at 22:05 said:
Picking up her indoors from Partick earlier and went past the Windsor Bar and The Rosevale in particular, covered in Union flags and pictures of HM.
The brass neck of these people….pay yer feckin taxes!!
GL2 – The Whisperer is a decent serial killer thriller with a twist. Where you off to this summer?
WWC
Ach nonsense he’s not a patch on ol Georgie bhoy :-))
HT indeed,
I had the plesuure of a few this week with oor mild mannered janitar canamalar, a treat as always…
luv u all coz a know most of uuuez…
31003 – any thoughts?
beoke the block coz i did
Sometimes we don’t say things properly.
Sometimes we don’t hear things properly.
Sometimes we get things mixed up.
We should all try not to rush to judgement of one another.
Been another good season, hasn’t it ?
:¬)))
BT
Canamalar and I have agreed to meet for a pint maybe you should come as a referee :-))
Elidor69 on 2 June, 2012 at 00:14 said:
dont know u…
HT
u,me and canamalar what a great bevvy, where is oldtim and TeT when that goes down….? o)
Books,
read one recently that i would recommend,Gods of Gotham,set in New York in the 1840s as impovrished Irish immigrants arrive in the city in droves and the NYPD is just being formed,You get racism,corruption,police brutality,despised immigrants fighting their corner (often giving worse than they get)
So whats changed eh
canamalar – cheers. Call me old-fashioned, but I like paperbacks….do you find the kindle decent for reading? What about changes in lighting?
As I said, I’m an infrequent reader, so probably just stick to the odd book.
T4