Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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Pujol on 16 July, 2012 at 22:18 said:
Totally agree,no way any of those monkeys
playing for us ,would get away with what they
did for them.
Flash …l hate previvtive flex
Not for one minute do i confess to have any idea what is really going on with this RFC(IA) circus, but today tells me one thing. That is there is absolutely no doubt, none what so ever, that what we are now seeing unfold, is not part of any grand plan or complex genius scheme.
We are witnessing a series of uncontrollable reactions, initiated by diddy teams , internet bampots and a huge majority of ordinary decent honest people. Who ever would have thought it ? Who ever would have thought that we would see this great day ?
They’ll always be Huns !a think the term came from an English newspaper in the 50s or 60s when they played wolves they wrecked the joint (obviously) and the paper said they were coming” over the hill like a pack of Huns “or words to that effect and it stuck after barca 72 ect nothing to do with religion intact a think a member of packie bonner csc Liverpool was in court for this and argued that point that it wasn’t secterian
That Rangers Media site is priceless everything is a Catholic conspiracy (their paranoid) I also love the way that they are boycotting all and sundry and their all going to spend their zillions on ra ranjurz and no one else. That is a lot of giro money!
Looking forward to work tomorrow.. Will wear my green t shirt methinks..
HH
“having the transfer ban re-imposed will be like a new signing” – Mark Hately
From the BBC website….
“Carlos Bocanegra, Maurice Edu and Dorin Goian are poised to leave Rangers with the blessing of Green, following the exits of several other first team players who refused to transfer their contracts to his company.”
So they leave with the blessing of Green? Quite a change from his ludicrous ban on others leaving without a fee…you know McGregor, the three Steves and Laughatme.
To me this is the clearest indication yet that they are skint and they are acknowledging the fact.
BRTH 22.45
Well said,Joe was the best Celtic striker I have seen.HH
Johnniem
ain’t it great?
HH
SFTB @2237
Excellant post!
It’ll be interesting to look at the SFL website in the next few days.
It has the names of all the teams in their respective leagues.
If you click onto any of the names, it gives you the history of the club.
We’ll see what they put for SevcoFC.
For Airdrie, they have it ‘formed’ in 1965, which is the year Clydebank were formed, but does not mention any of old Airdrie’s history.
SPF
theweegreenman
Absolutely right. Scottish Football might be financial poorer in the future but the true poverty was in the institutional cheating of both Scottish football and society. We will as a football and as a nation be all the better for standing up and saying this is what happened this was wrong those involved have been punished. The future is so much ‘cleaner’ than the past engendered by the SDM era.
A bit off topic, but did any of the breaking bad fans on the blog catch the first episode of the new season?
http://www.raithrovers.net/4220/statement-from-turnbull-hutton-board-of-directors.htm
HenryClarkson
Thanks, would be gratefull for another link, my e-mail addy is
nohunshere@hotmail.com
Thanks again
HH
Has anyone seen this from a poster over on RTC ? They think it’s all over ? Ah don’t think so!
>>>>>>>>
Lucculent Sam says:
THE GAME IS OVER, THE SPORTING INTEGRITY BAMPOTS WITH HAVE WON!
Sorry, but no. Today’s decision is certainly a major turning point. There’s now reasonable certainty about who plays in which league next season. However that just marks the end of the beginning. This game has still got a long, long way to go.
In no particular order, here are just some of the things that have still to be sorted out:
1) Will Mr. Charles walk away and can ICBINR fulfull its SFL3 fixtures for the coming season?
2) The liquidator’s investigation into Minty and the MBB’s shenanigans at Poundland.
3) Prosecutions and/or director’s bans for fraud and negligence
4) Apologies followed by a new dawn of truth and honesty from the MSM (highly unlikely)
5) The FTT ruling on EBTs
6) The SFA & SPL investigation into bogus player registrations
7) Stripping of titles won by cheating and lifetime bans for the cheats
8) A re-run of the Appellate Tribunal for bringing the game into disrepute
9) Sally’s punishment for threatening the AT
10) The removal of Campbell Ogilvie
11) A purge of the senior management at the SFA and SPL
12) A better, fairer TV deal
13) Properly considered restructuring of the governing bodies and league reform
14) An end to succulent lamb and the so called reporters and experts who feed on it
15) Recovery of the tax owed by the EBT beneficiaries
16) Opening the can of worms arising from Souness’s EBT payments. And the Cardigan’s?
17) An investigation into the conduct of Duff and Duffer, including the preferred bidder hokey-cokey and the sale to ICBINR
18) Miscellaneous court cases and misconduct hearings: the MBB v everyone, Ticketus v Collyer Bristow, Ticketus v Wavetower, Gary Withey and the Law Society (maybe), Duff & Duffer’s conflict of interest, the defamation actions against the BBC (as if…)
19) Settlement of various football debts: DUFC’s gate money, unpaid transfer fees for McCulloch and Jelavic
20) Who paid the player’s wages once ICBINR arrived but didn’t have an SFA licence?
21) Can ICBINR qualify for an SFA licence?
22) Who are the shareholders and investors in ICBINR?
23) Which SFA and SPL officials colluded or turned a blind eye to RFC(RIP)’s cheating?
24) TUPE issues and the transfer clearances for the players who did walk away
25) Who owns Poundland and/or any valid floating charges on it
26) The investigation into misuse of Rangers Charity Foundation funds
27) Bomber’s pie shop
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oh joy!
thebhoyfromoz on 16 July, 2012 at 22:59 said:
Just watched it…excellent, my how Walter has grown!
Good ole TH
“We, as a club, have benefited in a number of ways from having spoken out and making our position clear on a number of issues. Like other clubs, we were the subject of targeted circular letters from fans groups and other interested parties giving us their views on what was required to be done within Scottish Football. In addition, however, our clear stand struck a chord elsewhere: we suddenly found football fans both in this country and overseas, making tangible contributions in a variety of innovative ways. Players have been sponsored, our mascot too, donations have been made to the Club, strips purchased, season tickets purchased by fans of other clubs – simply to make a donation! Cheques have been sent to us, pledges made to attend games at Stark’s Park during the coming season……it has all been a bit overwhelming. We therefore look forward to welcoming all fans – supporters or otherwise – to Kirkcaldy this season.
Finally, the club and I have now received in excess of 400 letters and emails over the past few weeks. Whilst a real effort was made to respond individually – certainly at the beginning – the sheer volume of mail received has now rendered this pretty much impossible. So, therefore, let me thank everyone who took the trouble and interest to write and get in touch. Your support, financial and otherwise, has been inspiring.
We wish all football supporters, everywhere, an exciting new season.”
Semi final of the European Cup gubbed by Eintracht Frankfurt v Rangers 12-4 aggragate score yet they still want Real Madrid to get beat by the team from Germany… I was told as a lad this was one of the reasons they got/kept the term huns.
How refreshing is this piece from the MSM…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/16/rangers-lowest-league-victory-fans
Of course not a Scottish paper.
*** IMPORTANT POST ***
Getting wristbands for Oscar from Knoxy sent over to Scotland
WRISTBANDS FOR OSCAR!!!
Once I get them I’ll be selling them to anyone who wants one
Keep you all up to date on it
C’MON WEE OSCAR
HH
O.G.Rafferty on 16 July, 2012 at 22:40 said:
O.G any more surprises for us ?
*** IMPORTANT POST ***
Getting wristbands for Oscar from Knoxy sent over to Scotland
https://twitter.com/Wee_Oscar/status/224982001319555074/photo/1
Once I get them I’ll be selling them to anyone who wants one
Keep you all up to date on it
C’MON WEE OSCAR
HH
There should be a clear out at SPL/SFL/SFA but after appointing Michael Johnston i can’t see this happening.
Great statement by Raith Rovers,but we must also thank super ally for his,”who are these people,name them,I want to know”HH
Our hero???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHRPXiv5Re8&feature=related
Starry Plough,
Walter certainly has grown! Looking froward to seeing how Walter gets the the place he was in during the prologue at the start of the episode.
Nice little bit of symmetery from the first episode of season one which opens with Walter alone on his 50th birthday.
the long wait is over on 16 July, 2012 at 22:54 said:
…. wish ma wee maw was still here to see it – they are royally donald ducked.
HH
SFTB
You might find this relevant.
I posted this on KDS in response to the terms Membership and licence being used as if they were synonymous/interchangeable in terms of what the SFA want to do next to grant Sevco SFA Membership..
I hate to be pendantic but it is the Membership that they wish to transfer. CLUB Licences (the clue is in the name) are not transferrable.
The criteria for Membership is promulgated by the SFA from time to time (that is the nearest I could come to finding criteria in SFA Articles). A Club Licence for the SFL is issued under the various criteria set out in National Club Licensing rules.
For the SPL clubs the SFA use the same criteria and process to grant a licence as is set out in UEFA FFP rules to ok a qualifying club playing in Europe.
Sevco cannot meet the 3 yrs accounts requirements in National Club Licencing but with such an open approach to Membership the SFA could grant it. I would then expect Green to convince them that he has the wherewithall to see Sevco through to the end of the season and if he can,in spite of only having projections rather than past accounts, the SFA will exceptionally grant a club licence.
What is interesting is the concept of them having a Membership at all to transfer. They had an SFA Membership because they had an SPL Membership share. That share has now gone to Dundee, that is why Greene was at todays meeting as Oldco still held that Membership. However with the SPL Membership gone you would think there was no SFA membership to transfer because with the SFA membership being automatic on being accepted into the SPL, you would expect it to stop automatically when leaving the SPL and the SFL process for granting Membership which is NOT automatic taking over..
Treating Sevco as a brand new applicant avoiding the sanctions that come with it being seen as a transfer, especially if it means they can hire players, might make losing their history to stay alive now worth doing. That btw would not stop titles being stripped from Oldco since only Oldco hold those titles but it swerves the Appeal judgement.
I should have apologised for being confusing really but licensing and membership are two different things and are NOT interchnageable. They should be the same but that ties down the SFA. Had they been the same Rangers would have been out of the SPL at the same time they were told they were out of Europe – end of March, early April?
This whole thing came about because the SFA played fast and loose with issuing a licence each year, particularly the one the gave the OK to play in Europe and especially last season with the unpaid wee tax bill.
That club licensing system has to be adopted as the only way of granting SFA Membership as it defines the criteria which are designed to protect all clubs from themselves and others bad management as well as the incredibly poor judgement it allowed Regan to exercise since the end of March.
Regan himself should be saying he will overhaul the process and make Membership and a licence synonymous
BRTH 22’45
Great tribute to Joe McBride. As I said last week, he’s the best centre-forward I ever saw in the hoops. I never classed Dalglish or Larsson as No.9’s as both were better playing off and providing for a CF, while scoring for fun themselves. Growing up through the great 60’s period, Jinky was the star, flamboyant with dazzling skills and a supreme entertainer. Like many of the greats, Best in particular, he was also a wee bit flawed. However Joe McBride had a modesty like another great of that era, Bobby Murdoch, and both will go down as Celtic greats. McBride was tailor made for the Lisbon Lions side, a lethal finisher spearheading a free-scoring unit, not unlike Gerd Muller. When you consider the scoring power that side possessed, its frightening. Lennox would guarantee about 25 a season while Wallace Chalmers Auld and Johnstone would weigh in heavily. Murdoch Gemmell and Hughes also rattled in the goals and its worthwhile having a look at Yogi’s record, I think around 170 club goals. Its true to say that Joe McBride would have won the golden boot in 66-67, possibly reaching 60 plus goals. A legend.
hh
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan
Didn’t have the pressure of watching him or the impressive squad listed but with that post you have done him proud.
Truely fantastic.
Auld Neil Lennon heid
Could you clarify something, if you don’t mind?
We’ve seen the idea mooted that some cabal of oldhuns could buy an existing club and re-badge it. I’ve also read that this is no longer possible due to a SFL rule change. What’s your take on it?
very well said, Ian Archer
https://twitter.com/gazrooney/status/223532841332514816/photo/1/large
jimmci
thanks for posting that great guardian article.
smaller version
https://twitter.com/gazrooney/status/223532841332514816/photo/1
SFTB
Sorry, my post earlier was a bit rushed, and clearly didn’t make the point clearly.
Sevco is a new entity that bought the right to play in Rangers strips at Ibrox. I suggest it is treated as the new entity it is, allowing it to play this season (if it can assure on fixture fulfilment) thereby permitting a transparent examination of what Rangers did in the preceding years, and a series of outcomes that are free from vested interest.
The Rangers fans, when they watch the Sevco club in the Rangers colours, will insist they are still supporting the same team, the same ‘club’, irrespective. They remember the moments. They were there after all.
The records will reflect a different reality, a reality of different corporate identity, ownership and membership status.
To be fair, there are many on this board and others who insist that Celtic is more than a club, and I agree with them. Celtic is an outlook, an approach to life, an identity for many, perhaps a philosophy in some ways. The bit that we most associate with Celtic is intangible. Were Celtic to stop trading, the philosophy would not disappear, the identity would not end, and were a team to emerge that played in the same strips, evoked the same ethic and attracted the same supporters, I would be inclined to call it ‘Celtic’ in meaning.
So it may be for the supporters of Rangers. It is semantic, it holds meaning for them, albeit that it has no tangible substance.
I think we agree, but I defend your right to differ :¬)
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 16 July, 2012 at 23:16
Thanks for that great piece of research. Thanks too for all you have contributed to my understanding of all of this!
What’s left of today has seen me 30 years married today. I married for love into a west of Scotland orange family some of whom couldn’t and still can’t accept me for being one of ‘them’.
God have l enjoyed the last few months …God have l no missed them and hit the wall…God they deserved it.