Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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“It’s little wonder McCoist is at the end of his tether.
Humble and apologetic for the sins of the past, he craves the chance to restore Rangers and make them great again.”
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This is from today’s sun.
Has the fat tramp actually apologised? Have I missed it?
When is the first Diet Firm match this season?
Daily Record concedes defeat,finally…
GIRFUY TRAYNOR!
A decent read about the role of some of of our self serving sports journalists and the role of the BBC all through this debacle. Personally I find the BBC to be guilty of complete lack of objectivity in this story bowing rather to the pressure to repeat unhindered the PR spin of those who would suffocate our game.
Johnny Connelly @Hitthebyline
@CelticNewsAtTen Why Scottish football’s media men should be next under the microscope. http://tinyurl.com/bwozoaa – RT Please.
Retweeted by CNAT
Stringer Bell on 17 July, 2012 at 07:58 said:
If you call attending meetings of the SFA/SPL with a begging bowl when you realise that no other option is available apologising then the Fatsleekitpieman may have mumbled *we’re fecked gonny help us ”
I hope you having a good day Alastair…
You gob is not so big now Matey!!
lionroars67 on 17 July, 2012 at 07:38 said:
Yeah, I hope the boy’s family values are sound so they can keep him grounded.
Messi is a perfect role model for the kid and with his family and God’s help I hope the kid is happy with whatever he achieves.
Morning Folks ,
from a bright and sunny wembley – forecast maybe beginning to pick up in advance of the ole limpics .
With regard to the ‘when will Celtic have the league sewn up’ debate , my tuppence worth .
We are now , by everyone’s admission , the BIG fish in the pond . The only prize . Every team will now play against us as if it’s a cup-tie . Why ? Because they have nothing to lose . Instead of 6/8 games against the ‘OF’ and the consequent potential loss of 18-24 pts , they now have 3-4 games against us and the knowledge that every other team is thinking the same -‘ no matter how much better ra tic are than us , they can’t keep performing ALL the time ‘ .
I don’t think it’ll be a cake-walk for us . I think we’ll win the league but there’ll be a few ‘surprise’ results along the way ,. especially if we have Euro footie and then have a difficult away trip to Pittodrie or Tynecastle .
One final wish for this brave new world we live in ? That the fans use this (re-) found camaraderie to try and show themselves and the world that scottish football not only WILL survive but will FLOURISH. That’s not to say we can’t still slag each other off but maybe , just maybe , some of the bile can be left behind .
Sanna (cloudcuckooland csc)
dirtymac , we have them at home on 6/10 and 19/01 , so i’d imagine 6/10
home KANO fixtures here , http://thekanofoundation.com/xhtml/apply.html
Sanna
sannabhoy on 17 July, 2012 at 08:29 said:
By the same token, we can still reasonably expect to win the majority of our games, only now the odd dropped point here or there won’t have hte possibility of being decisive in the title race. On that basis I’d like to see us adopt a mroe free flowing attacking style of football.
Entertaining football will help mitigate any potential losses. It would be so great to see the crowds up because of it.
Sannabhoy
I agree that every match will be a cup tie.
Good for the game in my opinion, however, my biggest fear for the new season is complacency.
If it’s a cup tie for the teams we are playing, we must approach it as a cup tie too.
Some posters on here saying we could have one team for Europe and another for the SPL.
Maybe, when we are 25 points clear in the league.
But not before.
Hope you are well!
Weeminger…
……you sound complacent already!
Philbhoy – It’s just the beginning! on 17 July, 2012 at 08:38 said:
I do, don’t I. I’m not but it’s not an unreasonable expectation and I’m not talking about us having it all done and dusted by Christmas either.
To be honest, I’d rather see us play with reckless abandon and take it to the last game of the season than have it won in February with a series of 1-0 wins.
Eurochamps
File under our old friend “Cog Dis” :¬)
Philbhoy , cheers. Doing well thanks. Yersel ?
Working in London at the moment – just as well it’s the close season ! Looking forward to next season. I don’t think complacency will be an issue , just human nature – teams will be more up for it against us .
Weeminger . As you say , it might lead to a more open game , esp if re-construction raises it’s head !(opens lid , drops grenade in , retreats) . Yes , we’ll win the majority of our games but i’d be willing to bet we won’t exceed our points total of this season .
Sanna
Whither the cash strapped scrofulous new hillbillies the day?
Weeminger
There are still other factors to consider.
For example, the effect the demise of the huns will have on the mibs.
Plus one of dallas’s offspring could be refereeing our games in the coming season.
I do not believe and in my opinion, in all the circumstances, he will not bear a grudge.
You know what they say………like father, like son.
rangers have released their fixture list if tgey are granted a license.
They will certainly be ‘cash rich’ with fixtures against East Stirlingshire and Robin City.
pmsl!
Robin=Elgin
I cant post correctly for laughing. :0)
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 17 July, 2012 at 08:47 said:
3rd division , scrambling aboot for
1. A licence
2. players
3. fans
4. a conscience
5. dignity
6. someone apart from themselves to blame
7. a scapegoat
8. a saviour
Sanna
October 20th, big derby match rangers v Queens Park. All police leave cancelled that weekend.
Has the meaning [ and the implications ] of ” facilitate ” been explained yet ?
Fassreifen.
I’m doing a 5 day tour of Germany next week. Fly into Munich on Monday (couple of days). I’m going by train to Berlin on the Wednesday and then across to Dortmund Thursday night, (fly home from Dusseldorf Friday night) I know there will be loads to do and see especially in Berlin, and I have a few ideas lined up (eg going to visit Dachau while in Munich). However its a bit of going into the unknown and I’d be grateful if you could offer some advice…cheers in advance
hh
SoT
It means bending/ignoring the rules to accomodate.
Blows the arguement, it is the same club with the same history right out the water.
Newco Rangers CEO Charles Green is to
ask UEFA for help in reducing the club’s
debts of around £3million owed to
European member clubs . “There are oldco debts to certain clubs
and it’s not inconsiderable, it’s about
£3million,” Green said.
“It’s been accumulated as part of the
historical baggage. They’re oldco debts
that newco has got to face up to.
“This is the frustration that we have had
as a group where, at times we’re newco
so we have to sit in this particular box,
however when it’s convenient we’re still
oldco and we have to suffer the sins of
the fathers.
“I want to say to these clubs and UEFA
we’re here for the long haul – we want
to be honourable and we are people
who face up to responsibilities – but
we’d like some help in meeting these
debts.
“We don’t want them to be waived or
expect them to be waived…(but) I’d like
for clubs and UEFA to recognise these
are not my debts. This is a gesture and
(we’d like them) to work with us so we
can amicably agree a settlement.”
kitalba on 17 July, 2012 at 03:58 said:
Glasgow Rangers’ bankruptcy
“You don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone ”
I think we know what we’ve got. ……. A level playing field, and ‘sport’ back into our game……isn’t ‘gone’ a lovely little word……!!!!
http://www.eaststirlingshirefc.com/2012/07/14/sfl-special-meeting-why-we-voted-no/
Sorry to hear of the death of Jon Lord.
‘In Rock’ was one of the big albums when I was a whippersnapper
‘Wait for the ricochet………..’, and then we’d all try and scream like Ian Gillan.
ASonOfDan on 17 July, 2012 at 08:56 said:
Oh, how the mighty have fallen …….. Pay your debts, like the rest of us, FGS
THey won’t be allowed in the SFL if they have football debts outstanding.
I can tell you the owners of Livingston fc are absolutely delighted to see the rotten mob in the lowest tier of Scottish football. There was a personal vendetta against Livvy by an SFA employee, a bitter hun who knew of one senior Livvy employe’es leaning towards a Glasgow team (the team who pays their way).
I hope that SFA mongrel is still crying into his cornflakes this morning.
Karma
*employee’s
I read this morning that the Transfer Embargo, if agreed by Sevco Scotland Ltd FC, it will commence on 1st September – meaning Sevco Scotland Ltd FC will be able to sign players up to that point… ie, the end of the transfer window.
How is it a punishment that the transfer embargo only kicks in when the transfer windae closes?? Does that mean every team in Scotland is being punished as well give we can’t sign any players on 1st Sept either?
It would be hard to envisage inflicting any more misery on the dark side followers. Surely Celtic couldn’t twist the knife further by reaching the group stages of the CL? Could they? :-)
Surely we won’t draw the bankrupts in a cup competition and batter them 7-1 setting a record score between Celtic and newco that will stand for eternity? :-)
Twists -steady on!
One game at atime etc etc. We’ll find out on Friday how realistic our Euro ambitions should be.
dbbia:
Perchance do you know who we might be drawn against?
DBBIA
Yeah, your correct. I think we will toil, but, with recent events, and a feelgood factor rattling through the support, it wouldn’t surprise me if we added to their grief. I do agree though, we are probably outside shots to reach the groups.
(mind you, outsiders win now and again, I should know!!)
ASonOfDan
Just seen that on SSN, hit pause on the oldco fans banner…..it reads……
United we stand
We will not fall
To hell with the
SFA, SNP & All
For we are the people
We support
Glasgow Rangers
We won’t walk away
Boycott the SFA
Really, really stupid, ugly hurting Huns
Marrakesh Express on 17 July, 2012 at 08:56
You must visit Dachau I went there some years ago a very moving experience.
Enjoy your holiday.
Hail Hail