Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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optimistic little soldier on 17 July, 2012 at 09:02 said:
I read this morning that the Transfer Embargo, if agreed by Sevco Scotland Ltd FC, it will commence on 1st September – meaning Sevco Scotland Ltd FC will be able to sign players up to that point… ie, the end of the transfer window.
How is it a punishment that the transfer embargo only kicks in when the transfer windae closes?? Does that mean every team in Scotland is being punished as well give we can’t sign any players on 1st Sept either?
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The embargo will be for 12 months, meaning that they will not be able to sign anyone until the January transfer window in 2014.
To place the registration ban on them as punishment during the current window would be wrong, IMO, for a couple of reasons:
– they are currently under such a restriction anyway.
– they do actually need to field a team in order to get pumped each week.
Marrakesh Express on 17 July, 2012 at 08:56 said:
Sounds like a good trip. I don’t know Munich so well but it’s worth a wander down the main drag from the station towards Marienplatz and the Rathaus. The Hofbrauhaus (famous old pub) is hidden away nearby, very touristy, kitschy and pricey but worth a pint. Odeonsplatz is also worth a visit because you think you’re in Italy with all the architecture and baroque churches. If you like art, the Alte Pinakothek is good.
In Berlin I recommend starting around the Museuminsel (Museum Island) and wandering along the river to the Reichstag. Or head north a bit to Alexanderplatz and the Fernsehturm (TV tower, 10 Euro or so to go up, but worth it). There are various war museums and the DDR Museum nearby. Look at the buildings as you pass by, you’ll see bullet holes from 1945. I’d recommend a trip to Mauerpark where there are good traces of the Wall to be found and it’s next to Prenzlauerberg, a cool part of Berlin. A trip out of the city to Potsdam and Sanssouci is also worth it. For shopping, Friedrichstrasse is yer Argyll St. equivalent :-) Enjoy!
kit
good ole bert’s yer man
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedcl2012.html
** means the team is predicted to win the 2nd round tie. Our potential opponents are on the unseeded side . Hope this formats ok.
Seeded teams coef. Unseeded teams coef.
———————— — ——- ———————— — ——-
FC Basel ** Sui 53.360 Sheriff Tiraspol ** Mol 9.849
Anderlecht Bel 48.480 DVSC Debrecen ** Hun 7.950
Celtic Sco 32.728 NK Maribor ** Slo 6.424
BATE Borisov ** Bls 29.641 FK Ventspils ** Lat 5.674
FC Salzburg ** Aut 29.265 Slovan Liberec ** Cze 5.570
Dinamo Zagreb ** Cro 24.774 Slask Wroclaw ** Pol 5.483
CFR Cluj Rom 18.764 HJK Helsinki ** Fin 5.326
MSK Zilina ** Svk 14.974 AEL Limassol ** Cyp 5.099
Partizan Belgrade **Srb 14.350 Ekranas Panevezys ** Lit 4.875
Helsingborg IF ** Swe 12.680 FC Zestafoni ** Geo 4.733
Moonbeams WD at 7:23
No. Polonia Warsaw from top league is moving South and will be swallowed by the club from third league club. Third league club played in top league couple of years ago but due to the financial problems did not get licence…. You know the rest. Both clubs – existed without many fans. Polonia Warsaw was sold by it’s crazy owner to another businessman. Both clubs are dead business. Club cannot exist without fans and the record of history.
Poland, Scotland, Russia, Romania crazy basis for football. Of course some clubs that are exceptions.
Spain – circa 30 000 coaches with FIFA Pro
Holland – few places where children, youth, adults have fe. 10 hectares with tens of football pitches.
Where we are?
Kit -all I know is draw is July 20th.
I expect the likes of ole Mort will have the facts at his fingertips.
Nope , it didn’t
NK Maribor as a potential opponent – mmmmmmm
Sheriff Tiraspol ** Mol 9.849
DVSC Debrecen ** Hun 7.950
NK Maribor ** Slo 6.424
FK Ventspils ** Lat 5.674
Slovan Liberec ** Cze 5.570
Slask Wroclaw ** Pol 5.483
HJK Helsinki ** Fin 5.326
AEL Limassol ** Cyp 5.099
Ekranas Panevezys ** Lit 4.875
FC Zestafoni ** Geo 4.733
Mort or clever clogs Sanna ;/)
dbbia ,
Or Sanna who really should be working !
Fassreifen
I’m going to Berlin for a weekend break in September so have noted your travel tips, thanks!
HH
So it seems everyone accepts that Sevco doesn’t meet the conditions for SFA membership. Yet it can be transferred the membership of a former club. Why do the criteria not seem to apply in the case of a transfer?
Or is this something that is being “facilitated” away?
“We don’t want them to be waived or expect them to be waived…(but) I’d like for clubs and UEFA to recognise these are not my debts. This is a gesture and (we’d like them) to work with us so we can amicably agree a settlement.”
look at the words – gesture……………amicably
THREAT.
What Larks Pip, – what larks.
Brechin City away CSC
Marrakesh Express on 17 July, 2012 at 08:56 said:
if you are looking for somewhere to eat in Munich, I would highly recommend the Augustiner Braustuben (located at the augustiner brewery). The food is excellent, the beer equally good. metro stop Holzapfelstraße. There are great places to eat city-wide, but this one is well worth a visit.
Charles Green admitted he has been living in safe houses through this whole debacle. Welcome to Protestant Scotland, please adjust your watch back by about three hundred years and try not to upset ‘the people’.
Stupid, crazy, dangerous, hurting Huns
Mmm.
Slask Wroclaw as potential opponents.
All police leave cancelled.
Dealing with a chap in Brazil at the moment (work), who’s name is Attila …. Have avoided asking the obvious question………LOL
As I understand it, the point of financial reporting is primarily to support the notion that your club can pay its way through the coming season.
That applies to all clubs, old and new.
If they cannot provide convincing proof (letters of intent don’t count) they should not be granted membership.
We all, and I mean ALL know that they are about as financially sound as a Greek bank and no way meet the various other criteria.
Whilst some may say that we should assist them etc…, why?
Do they merit assistance more than say a club that has struggled for many years but have met the criteria?
Spartans score much higher in my view.
Sanna/dbbia:
On paper (I know) we should be able to beat any of those teams over two legs.
Then what?
sannabhoy on 17 July, 2012 at 08:50 said:
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 17 July, 2012 at 08:47 said:
3rd division , scrambling aboot for
7. an escaped goat
oh the stonecutters will be furious, none of their dastradly rituals work anymore
Deep Purple —–
Each to their own -but
” Deep Purple is onanism by onanists for onanists . Jimmy Osmond has more of an edge than those 15 minute solo cranium churning tedium meisters ”
Lester Bangs
32 at 10 30 —way down south.
kitalba
basically the bottom 5 of the 10 seeds from Round 3
Dinamo Zagreb ** Cro 24.774
CFR Cluj *3 Rom 18.764
MSK Zilina ** Svk 14.974
Partizan Belgrade ** Srb 14.350
Helsingborg IF ** Swe 12.680
st stivs , howdy ?
wanted to round out a top 10 but lost the will to live ….
We need to avoid teams who are in the middle of their season, as we may be too rusty.
After Artmedia I’d be wary of everyone.
SofTunis- my peer group at the time of ‘In Rock’ would not have been strangers to the solitary vice.
Most of us grow out of it ;/)
Whilst perusing newsnowceltic I am heartened by all the former Huns coming out with concern about Club 42s demise and how it’s going to harm us…. Nice to know they care…
A bit of help needed here eveyone, if Sevco get granted a membership from the SFA/SPL they must accept sanctions with this but why do they need to accept these sanctions if it’s a new company ?
Is it because they don’t have audited accounts ?
was in Munich for Champions League game against Bayern…. season after Seville….lovely City…loads to do, agree with previous poster, hoffenbeer worth a visit…. English Garden was great, you won’t have the pleasure of a large contingent of Tims, beltin’ out the tunes in between the Umpaa band…. Oh Nudey park on the way there…if that floats yer boat.
Woud love to go back
Enjoy
HH
Kit -round 3 [Q] is folowed by Round 4 [Q].
If we don’t make it at the round 4 level we go into the Europa [I think].
If we don’t make it through round 3 we get parachuted into the Ramsden’s.
BBC: “Rangers'” first game of the season, in the Ramsdens Cup at Brechin, is set to be moved to Dundee amid security fears. (The Sun)
Sevco hasn’t played a game and already they are causing problems for others.
Guys, do we do a prediction league on CQN?
Gretna 2008 hopeful of landing SFA membership
Jul 6 2012 by Andrew Burns, Dumfries Standard Friday
GRETNA 2008 are still hopeful of being awarded a Scottish Football Association (SFA) club membership in time for the new season.
The Raydale Park club recently hosted SFA representatives, who travelled to Gretna to assess the stadium and facilities.
Nothing has been confirmed since but manager Kenny Brown said that are hopeful of bagging the licence from the governing body. This would allow Gretna to be included in the draw for the Scottish Cup first round, six years after the former Gretna FC lost out to Hearts in the cup final at Hampden.
Brown said: “We are hoping to get the SFA membership through in time to allow us to compete in the Scottish Cup. The first round will take place on August 25 and we don’t know whether we’ll be competing in that or the Alex Jack Cup.
“We were visited not so long ago about the SFA membership but haven’t heard anything since.
“They were very impressed with the facilities at Raydale and the set-up of the club and we are confident that we will be granted the licence.
“Time is tight but it would be great for the club to compete in the Scottish Cup again. Not only this, but having full membership has its other advantages, like receiving the pay out if you have experienced a tough winter.”
The club has been unable to apply for the SFA membership since its formation in 2008 as the application process requires the submission of three years’ of full accounts.
The application was made earlier this year and a decision is due imminently.
Meanwhile, manager Brown has confirmed the signing of nine first-team players as he prepares for his debut season in the Raydale hotseat.
Dean Rea, Adam McMath, John Jardine, Joe Slattery, Nicky White and Jordan Atkinson have been retained from last season’s team, which finish an impressive sixth in its East of Scotland Premier League debut.
And Brown has snapped up former Queen of the South youth striker Steven Degnan, midfielder Phil Middlemiss from Threave Rovers and Barry Stockdale.
That brings his new-look Raydale Park side to nine confirmed players, but Brown said that he is hoping to sign up to ten “eight or nine” more players.
He said: “I have been really pleased with training and the team that I have managed to build so far.
“We have nine just now but I will probably look to sign another eight or nine players to bring it up to 17 or 18.
“We have averaged 22 for each training session but obviously not all of the lads will be signing.
“With the pre-season games coming up, we will get as many of the boys played as possible and assess it as each game passes.”
Gretna kick off their pre-season fixtures this weekend, with three of the four games to be played at Raydale Park.
Brown’s team welcome English North West Counties League side Ambleside United before hosting Queen of the South next weekend (July 14) and Cleatormoor Celtic Raydale on July 21.
They then travel to Gateshead to play Dunston UTS, winners of the FA Vase at Wembley last year, on July 28.
Gordon J- you couldn’t trust them not to wreck the ole hedge.
‘The club was founded in 1906 from the merger of two local clubs, Brechin Harp and Brechin Hearts.’
Is the game being broadcasted tonight
http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/news_detail.asp?newsid=2327
Not sure if the link will work but what a brilliant offer from Dundee for season tickets. Got to be the best deal in town.
Why can we not link with partners and offer similar benefits?
Potential CL opponents —–
AEL Limassol —–
Seen a lot of them on the tele .
Quick/ good technique / intelligent / dig . A passionate noisy support
Multi national squad — Portuguese / Brazilian/ Argentinian / Ghanaian.. Sometimes field a team without a Cypriot.
They can play football . Cypress is very hot at the moment . Hard game.
Mea Culpa on 17 July, 2012 at 09:43 said:
Is it possible green is pleading poverty to give the SFA no alternative but to refuse them a license…..then he can quickly sell the assets, make a few bob, and get out, ‘stage left’ ……??
bump
Guys, do we do a prediction league on CQN?
That’s a troublesome wee list of potential banana skins for the ole Euro tremblin mince.
What an aid soon by Green that he has been in safe houses since moving to Glasgow.
Hunbelievable.
“The fans are Rangers” you got that right.
If anybody knows about domestic security cameras, I would be grateful for any links/advice. My old mum (89) was out with my sister yesterday when ‘vandals’ damaged her garden and garden furniture. I am a wee bit worried cos she likes to play Irish tunes (being Lurgan-born) and some of her neighbours are of the walking variety.
So, I assume the kits from B&Q are poor – what do I buy?
Thanks in advance…
Stevebhoy
HH