Congratulations to Dundee FC who return to the top flight of Scottish football for the first time in seven years. Back in the 60s Dundee were a top European team. They won the league in 1962 and in the preliminary round of the European Cup they trounced West German champions, Cologne, 8-1 at Dens. Cologne put a more respectable face on the aggregate result two weeks later, winning 4-0 in front of 40,000 fans.
Dundee went on to beat Portuguese champions Sporting Lisbon 4-2 on aggregate in the first round proper, this while Portuguese runners-up, Benfica, retained the European Cup only five months earlier. If the Cologne result was the most enduring in the collective memory, the 4-1 win over Sporting at Dens was one of the all-time great results in Scottish football history.
Anderlecht were next victims, losing 1-4 in front of 65,000 fans in Brussels before the fairy tale ended in the semi final against eventual winners, Milan, at a packed San Siro. A Wembley final against Benfica was Milan’s prize, a tie Dundee would surely have fancied.
The result against Cologne is historically the most impressive but this was not the case at the time. This was a period before the Bundesliga when West German teams participated in regional leagues, with the winners playing-off to enter the European Cup. Once German teams were able to join a financially prosperous league instead of being shackled by historical custom, they never looked back. Dundee, like all Scottish clubs, are disenfranchised from the history they could be creating by the poor value of their TV market.
It’s time for a change, not just for the sake of Celtic! If only the guys running the show knew the history and heritage of the team promoted today, or believed in the potential of Scottish clubs.
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I think Sevco fans need to worry even more considering Walter (no, not that one!) Mitty is now running the club.
“Living in safe houses.” He means Menzies Hotel, being vegetarian and heading for his room religiously at 10pm each night, while his Chairmen gets wellied and his business partners talk in the millions!
Disengenuous with the truth? Ah it is them of course.
Changed days in world football when we are worried about getting a Cypriot team!!
Their football came on a lot in the last few years…
got to love the PR job Green is doing for himself.
BSR -and no shortage of people wanting to see us slip up.
First game is in a fortnight!
dbbia:
I was reading earlier that the huns made 16+ million from their wee jaunt in the CL 2009/10. That is a lot of money.
Hector , TTT has organised one for the last couple of years in aid of The Kano Foundation. We ran one for the Euros this year which was well received .
Short answer , yes
Paddy Power 6/1 for a team other than Sevco to win the 3rd Division.
“Must compete in Division 3 for bets to stand; league reconstruction before the season begins will render bets void. Points deductions added as additional penalties before the season begins will render bets void.”
What happens if they start the season but don’t finish?
Anyone else think this is a good bet?
Stevebhoy -the best you can afford. You also might want to think about other forms of deterrent, like lights and possibly beefing up the hedge by planting thorny plants , like berberis.
The other people who could advise might be your mum’s local Community police officer.
Sorry to hear of your troubles.
Kit -did they go straight into the groups that year? Qualification can be a hard road.
Stevebhoy
Sounds like kids, probably the offspring of the walking variety. PC World is the place for you.
Good luck
Potential CL opponent No 2
Tiraspol .
I can pick up Moldovan tele – I have seen them a few times
Moldovans / Serbs/ Africans / Brazilians /Russians . Play pass and move football . They have pace , technique and dig.
Another place that will be very hot .
I’d play them in preference to Limassol.
Ach whit’s a wee chuckle between friends…
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Arranging a five-a-side game with Sevco…
stpatricksbhoy on 17 July, 2012 at 09:13 said:
Lux celt
Fassreifen
Much appreciated. Feel free to put some other ideas my way Fass.
Thats another thing I love about Cqn..info on anything you need to know.(especially tax accountancy and insolvency law etc ;-))..cheers
hh
DBBIA
Giant dominant centre back required, – I hope we don’t neglect to invest in this area using a modern up to date excuse for not doing so, like MSM’s, Celtic will miss Ragers
guff.
We’ve got contenders but all have frailty, as demonstrated every passing season in trying to qualify for CL, of even run in the Europa.
I’m all in favour of asset manage and understand the business need, sell where we’re well off, and get the backbone of the side right.
stevebhoy
…or a cheap method. Dummy cameras with a very visible presence and a warning sign.
Or a really cheap method, hide in the bedroom with a 3lb hammer and catch the b********* red handed. (only spouting off, I wouldn;t advocate that in truth)
Your mum is 89 years old and they do that? What a disgrace. Scumbags.
Just seen a guy in a Rangers top, how retro!
Celticbhoy -is it Craig Whyte?
I understand a couple of weeks ago someone was after a supplier of football strips for his junior team – my son has a teamwear business – so if you are still intrested you can get my email address from Paul.
DBBIA, cheers. Got the lights, will get cameras, good idea about the berberis.
The legend Johnny Doyle, I agree, could be their weans.
Thankfully I live very close, so I will keep an eye out. I know a few guys in the local who are familiar with some of the neds/orangemen. i will get one of them to have a wee quiet word as well, I think.
Cheers lads.
Steve
HH
Eurochamps67 on 17 July, 2012 at 07:25 said:
Apparently they will be doing a Prince and will be known as the club previously known as ragers…
hh
bjmac
I’m pretty sure they went straight in and clocked up the record for the worst point total ever by a ‘British’ club.
They got humped 4 – 1 twice.
From the Guardian
The most comprehensive thesaurus in the world would barely contain the words to describe this Rangers performance. The latest evidence that Scottish football may be in terminal decline rather than just suffering a rough spell arrived on another harrowing night in Glasgow.
Rangers had the luxury of a one-goal lead against Unirea Urziceni and passed up a penalty at 1-1 before collapsing to arguably the most eye-catching effect in their 53-year European history.
“It is a big low point for me and that is before I have even sat down and had a think about it,” said Walter Smith after his 72nd match as a manager in Europe. “We lost 4-0 here to Juventus [in 1995] but they went on to become the European champions. I don’t think the penalty was the turning point of the game. You shouldn’t defend as we did at any level of football.”
Smith, amid a trophy-laden career, cannot have suffered a more wounding night. No wonder his demeanour was one of shell-shock in the post-match media conference. As Pablo Brandan’s deflected shot secured the visitors’ fourth goal, 25 minutes from time, blue and white scarves rained on to the Ibrox track. Those supporters who remained until full-time, albeit they admirably applauded the victors from the pitch, did so to make their anger perfectly clear. Unirea, in truth, could well have scored more.
“If we qualify for the last 16, this will be an historic victory,” said Dan Petrescu, the Unirea manager. “If we do not, this will just be another memory. I expected more pressure from Rangers in the second half, after we scored our second goal.”
And yet, it had all started so brightly for Rangers. Pedro Mendes watched his 18-yard shot loop off Ricardo Gomes Vilana and into the Unirea net within 90 seconds. Rangers displayed little early evidence that they regarded this as anything like an onerous task, Kenny Miller coming within inches of condemning Unirea to a miserable night nine minutes later with a header, while Steven Naismith missed an even more clear-cut chance.
Petrescu, renowned as a calm full-back during his time at Chelsea, cut an agitated touchline figure but was soon placated as Marius Bilasco slotted home an equaliser.
Steve Davis promptly wasted the opportunity to reinforce Rangers’ superiority as Bruno Fernandes handled a David Weir header. From the penalty spot, however, Davis allowed Daniel Tudor far too simple a save.
Unirea set the tone for what was to come, three minutes after the re-start. Fernandes, earlier a sinner, had the audacity to offer a back-heel which took a deflection off Kyle Lafferty on its way into the Rangers net. The home support, not fooled about the quality of this opposition, could not hide their disgust.
As Lee McCulloch followed by heading Tiberiu Balan’s free-kick into his own net, Ibrox descended into further uproar. Brandan then scored the fourth, his 30- yard shot flying past Allan McGregor after clipping Naismith.
And so the debate returned to just how far and fast the mighty in at least one half of Glasgow have fallen. Unless there is a turnaround of quite epic proportions, the most immediate drop will be, at the very best, into the Europa League after Christmas.
Twists n turns.
Quite;) or a sign saying “Beware, Internet Bampot not chained up”…
HH
dbbia my whole bedroom wall was a mural of the cover from in rock. John Lord and co 15 minute solo’s were background music norm and good entertainment until I could get served. One of our local high schools had a great band James who played Purple covers Gillanesque. Anyway what fun today. Do sevco have ant players left?
So poor wee Charlie’s off to UEFA asking not to have to pay the sins of his father ( Oldco in Liq) which, in case he forgot, he willingly bought.
Seems to me UEFA could come out as good guys here.
OK, Charlie, we”ll ask Everton to pass all future Jela payments to us and use these to pay Rapid, Hearts, Chelsea and all the others you owe from your previous life. Bye
I reckon these will be just about close to a net zero.
Stupid, stupid, Charlie…..
kitalba on 17 July, 2012 at 10:10 said:
dbbia:
I was reading earlier that the huns made 16+ million from their wee jaunt in the CL 2009/10. That is a lot of money.
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I posted a few days ago that last season’s Scottish entrant to the CL would have received €16.675m from simply reaching the Group Stage; no points necessary. This comprised the basic participation payment and market pool payment. Chuck in another few million euros from the gate receipts another couple from picking up a few points and possibly more from participating in the Europa League or CL knock-outs and it’s a hefty wedge altogether.
I don’t know how much more the payments for this year will be, but suspect that the participation and points money will remain static, with the market pool again increasing, which should be worth around €11m alone.
An awful lot of money to be made from the CL if we get there, possibly worth around €25m all in.
^^ of course, the market pool cash would have to be shared between us and Motherwell if we both qualify.
bwahahahaha
Good morning CHAMPIONS
Weefra HH
Grant Russell @STVGrant
@fritzagrandold @krys1888 No – membership lapses after 14 days of being admitted if SFA membership not sorted (Rule 16)
Fritz A. Grandold @fritzagrandold
@STVGrant @krys1888 oh dear, did we get clarity on whether you need financial records to become new associate SFA member?
Grant Russell @STVGrant
@fritzagrandold @krys1888 Yes – you become subject to club licensing and need 3 years of accounts.
Fritz A. Grandold @fritzagrandold
@STVGrant @krys1888 And full membership needs five? can you be associate member of SFL if you are only SFA associate?
Grant Russell @STVGrant
@fritzagrandold @krys1888 Yes – you can be associate or full member of SFA. You can be “basic” member of SFA without accs but can’t play SFL
TNT @ 10.25
Too right,
Never forget the ole Battle of Omdurman in the Sudan, facing the “Fuzzy Wuzzies” under the command of General Kitchener. – “they don’t like it up ’em!”
dirtymac » fast forward to the G.O.D
I’d say that is worth a wee punt on an experienced central defender.
It’s a pretty difficult situation to be in for Charles Green.
On the one hand he want’s to be able to say “None of these debts are mine, all I’ve done is buy a stadium and a training complex”. On the other hand he needs to try and keep hold of the fanbase by trying to maintain some link to Rangers(IA).
If he was really serious about starting a new football team (he isn’t). He’d be far better off selling the assets to developers and building a new more appropriately sized stadium eslewhere and forgetting all about the past.
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 17 July, 2012 at 10:26
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Celticbhoy -is it Craig Whyte?
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Now you mention it he was wearing a hat, beard and sunglasses. But then again would anyone want to be recognised in one of those?
The purpose of the requirement to provide three years’ accounts is largely a risk mitigation measure. The Governing Bodies have a responsibility to their members to ensure that they individually and collectively are not unduly exposed to commercial risks associated with the financial failure of one of the competitor clubs.
Indeed, the requirement is not for 3 years accounts alone, but for 3 years of unencumbered trading history, demonstrating that the applicant’s business model and management are appropriate to the scale and nature of the environment in which they play.
The requirements become greater as the level of competition increases, bringing with it increased commercial impacts, and indeed, increased risk to the structure of the relevant competition that may be realised in the event that a competitor fails financially.
Equally, the requirement to disclose the beneficial owners of a club is also related to risk. Clubs trade together, and again from a risk mitigation perspective, it is important that clubs know who they are dealing with, cf Craig Whyte-Hearts-Lee Wallace.
It appears from comments to date that Sevco does not satisfy the criteria to hold SFA membership in its own right.
Paradoxically, it does apparently meet the criteria to hold the SFA membership formerly held by Rangers, should the SFA decide to transfer that membership. (When someone explains this logically I will eat my bunnet.)
The SFA, in considering transferring RFC’s membership to Sevco, wishes to protect the game and reassert its authority. It seeks to protect the game by demanding the football debts attaching to RFC’s membership are settled by Sevco, total around £3M we understand.
The authority aspects relate to outstanding disciplinary cases against RFC.
The simplest solution to all of this, Risk and Authority, is to require Sevco to pay a part-refundable fee to the SFA in exchange for a new membership, part of which fee pays RFC’s legacy football debt, the remainder of which held in bond to offset any financial risks in the absence of the necessary trading history, and refunded at the conclusion of 3 years unbroken participation.
Authority can then be reasserted by progressing the various disciplinary matters that will inevitably result in RFC being expelled from the SFA.
This route is a more satisfactory one for the members of the SFA as a whole because the Risks associated with a Sevco membership are as great whether they hold RFC’s old membership following transfer, or hold a new membership in their own right. By holding a 3 year bond on the new membership, risk is reduced and governance principles satisfied.
All provided Charlie Green will disclose who owns Sevco, of course.
What’s the hold up?
BSR – “fuzzy wuzzies”. Reminds me of Cpl Jones. On that note – one of my fav exchanges on tv;
Cpt. George Mainwaring: I could have sworn that they would never break through the Maginot line.
Sgt. Arthur Wilson: Quite right sir, they didn’t.
Cpt. George Mainwaring: I thought now. I’m a pretty good judge of these matters you know Wilson.
Sgt. Arthur Wilson: They went round the side.
Cpt. George Mainwaring: I see… they what!
Sgt. Arthur Wilson: They went round the side.
Cpt. George Mainwaring: That’s a typical shabby Nazi trick, you see the sort of people we’re up against Wilson.
Sgt. Arthur Wilson: Most unreliable sir.
stevebhoy on 17 July, 2012 at 10:08
If anybody knows about domestic security cameras, I would be grateful for any links/advice.
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I can suggest a low cost way of doing it if you have a computer at home. Buy a HD webcam this one I believe has movement sensors as well http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-C270-HD-Webcam-Black/dp/B003R1O320 and a USB extending cable 5mts on Amazon costs about a fiver this the cam has got all the software you need just locate it somewhere where its not too wet and windy (house it in a plastic see through box or similar if you can) and remember to seal connections from the weather
Voila for 20 odd quid you have CCTV which is a fraction of the price of the dedicated stuff
Monsieur Charles is a louse divided against himself. If it’s the paying public asking if his club is Rangers, he says, “Aye ready.” If it’s the football authorities, he says, “No way.”
He can’t have it both ways.
And in all of this, the massive tax bill that they have just shuffled away from gets forgotten. It’s like that bit of the saga never happened. They need reminding every time. They racked up millions in tax debt and refuse to pay it. They are not even trying to pay it.
hen1rik on 17 July, 2012 at 10:33 said:
Grant Russell @STVGrant
@fritzagrandold @krys1888 No – membership lapses after 14 days of being admitted if SFA membership not sorted (Rule 16)
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Nope – that’s wrong.
An application for SFA membership must be made within 14 days. They remain a member unless the SFA rejects the application and it doesn’t matter how long that takes.