The very last thing anyone connected with Rangers wanted to read this morning is that Andrew Ellis, Craig Whyte’s former associate, is suing the Rangers owner for 24.9% of the club’s shares. This puts a further legal impediment in the way of any potential transfer of shares or stadium assets from Whyte to a new party. It remains to be seen if Ellis is in a position to legally enforce his claim however the veracity of his claim may be moot.
Prospective Rangers buyers do not have time to spend in court hearings and appeals before the start of the new season. If a phoenix (or even a CVA) is to be put in place it is likely that those with a claim, any claim, will need to be satisfied.
This development comes a week after Whyte transferred the security over Ibrox he holds through Rangers FC Group Ltd to Liberty Corporate Ltd.
Legal issues over ownership of shares and assets aside, Rangers’ administrators still have to deal with creditors, in particular, HMRC, who will soon learn if their tax demand against the club has been upheld by the First Tier Tribunal, and Ticketus. Duff and Phelps were denied the right to set aside the deal which Ticketus struck with Rangers to buy thousands of seasons tickets, leaving a path open for Ticketus to present a legal challenge to any deal which does not recognise their interests.
Chances of an early exit from administration appear to be diminishing by the day. Motherwell were in administration for four days short of two years between April 2002 and April 2004. If Rangers are not out of administration on the morning the new season kicks off they would start on minus 10 points.
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breenjy what are u expectnig them to say bud. that everythnig is going to be smelling like pansies. things will be tuff but the rangers will always be here. there will be trouble when some of our fans realise this and see that our bored has been taken us for a ride. they will be sold this week and alisdair will be given a massive war chest in the summer to regalvanise their sqaud. my big mate called this spot on and he was the only one that saw that whyte was bad news. we will be in a real fight next year you better believe it bud.
Ten Men Won The League, forget about the damages deposit, it is an urban myth that Rangers pay Celtic damages and vice versa.
Not heard anything about Celtic asking for money in advance for this one.
WGS, I’ll check him out.
bournesouprecipe, yes, there seems to be plenty of irrelevant nonsense being written.
Awe Naw, Uefa’s Financial Fair Play criteria imposes rules on clubs breaking even over a period with exclusion from European competition for failure. There is no provision to disqualify clubs from domestic leagues for being in administration.
I don’t have the SPL handbook with me but as you clearly have the precise quote, why not quote it?
From recollection, there is liberal use of the word “may” when it comes to sanctions. “May” has never led any SPL club to be expelled from the league for being in administration for more than one season – as has happened three times in the last 10 years.
For the record, yes, Motherwell, Dundee and Livi all failed to provide a set of accounts.
I look forward to reading that “lengthy list of stuff that had to be done by 31st March” under pain of expulsion. Let’s assume I am busy right now, if you have the list, copy and paste.
“Had to be done” being the important phrase.
Afternoon….
Not been out and about much this year, so all my footie talk has been with family and friends, all fellow tims.
However during the hun game got some typical texts from a hun ex-workmate.Now not once during this farce of admin have i had a pop at him, so decide then that once the league was won he was ‘gettin it’.
As the wife tried to explain that makes me as bad as him, i said as only men can…
” He Started It!! “.
So on Saturday i sent a few texts, but no answer, maybe his phone was off.
Then on Sunday he replied with the expected nonsense 4 managers etc,blah, blah, blah.
When i told him i had left half of my jelly and ice-cream for the big ‘L’.
He replied ‘dream on, never happen, loads of buyers’.
So I’ve been wondering is this the general opinion of most huns, am I missing this being stuck in the house or do other huns accept it coming and its just his Harthill existence.
Cheers
Awe Naw
We can only do what we can do. We seem to have been debating this for a long time.
It still strikes me as completely illogical for the Celtic board to have adopted its strategy since Seville if the outcome is the status quo. Why would they put Celtic, including themselves, through that?
Some members of the board, from what I have heard, cannot see past the relatively easy money (my description, not theirs) of a series of games each season against Rangers. Others would definitely be completely in line with your view of what should happen. Doves and hawks.
However, as mentioned earlier, it ought not to be for Celtic to make a decision on this. The rules are hard to follow in places, as your discussion with Paul 67 today shows, but they are clear enough for us all to see that Rangers must either pay their dues or go to the bottom of Scottish professional football’s ladder. Even if there were a single Celtic view on that, it ought not to count for anything.
Much of Fleet’s evidence is given in the form of diagrams. Although crude representations of a large ship hitting an immovable mountain of ice, they do give clear indication as to where the iceberg struck Titanic and how such a huge hole was ripped into her starboard side. The drawings are reproduced in Jack Eaton and Charles Hass’ excellent book, “Titanic, Triumph and Tragedy.”
Eventually, the lookouts were shipped back to Britain aboard another White Star vessel, the Celtic. They arrived into Liverpool on May 6th. Fleet continued to serve at sea and was active in World War One and Two. After White Star’s merger with Cunard, Fleet worked for the Union Castle line. At Christmas, 1964, Fleet’s wife died and it is said that he became depressed. He had been down on his luck for some years. He took his own life in January 1965. Some say that he was plagued by guilt about escaping from Titanic, others imply that he had given up on life after a turn of fortune.
Titanic look outs shipped back to Liverpool on the Celtic! The internet is quality for the most random facts that nobody knows about!
LB
The Token Tim on 10 April, 2012 at 12:59 said:
Ernie,
so lets say he was bothered about it (the huns sectarian signing policy), what exactly could Bray Street’s father have done about it?
What has our manager done about it ?
Joe O’ Rourke is a semi-literate clown who has embarrassed all Celtic fans with his bigoted attempt at humour. He should step down or be removed from his position.
Che on 10 April, 2012 at 14:30 said:
”thatll be much the same as Hugh Dallas and that infamous email.”
The difference between Joe O’Rourke and Dullas is that Dullas was in a (well paid) position of authority and influence within Scottish football and was therefore obliged to at least pretend to be impartial.
I’m not sure we would have been calling for Mingwall’s head if he had done what Dullas did.
ernie lynch on 10 April, 2012 at 15:05 said:
The guy’s name is Dark Mingwall…………
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Today, for one day only, I wish there were some Rangers supporters here at work.
We have 2 Celtic supporters (including myself), one for St Mirren, one Jambo and a whole bunch of people who are more interested in rugby, needlepoint, choral singing and other gentle pursuits than in football.
I want someone to gloat at.
The Token Tim on 10 April, 2012 at 12:59 said:
”Ernie,
so lets say he was bothered about it (the huns sectarian signing policy), what exactly could Bray Street’s father have done about it?”
1. Stop supporting a team with a club with a bigotted signing policy
or
2. Carry on supporting a team with a bigottted signing policy and stop pretending not to be a bigot.
BIG-CUP-WINNERS on 10 April, 2012 at 15:07 said:
He’s a hun and therefore not deserving of basic courtesy.
See the difference?
Killie take the lead with a stunning curl into the top corner. 2-1 to the visitors. (LB)
Paul67
I´ll answer as many question directly put to me as you have recently.
Is there criteria for expelling national association’s from UEFA competition due to financial mismanagement bordering on the criminal ?
So semantically within SCOTLAND there are no rules
Celtic MAY vote for a newco Rangers then they again they MAY not
The SFA MAY choose to expel Rangers IA for the plethora of transgressions that I alluded to but then again they MAY not.
Is this where we are at ? i.e the game in Scotland has good governance but then again it MAY not ?
You MAY be buttering us up for an Old Firm Solution but then again you MAY not ?
Maybe we should concentrate on how our game is actually governed rather than lazy journalism
Are we Old Firm
We MAY be we MAY not.
I predict that we are and that we are about to find out.
What do you say ?
Hail Hail
ipaddy how do you know mad joe is a clown. at least he is out there and is not just some banger pontefractnig on the internet. i dont see why anybody is bothered anyway. it happened hunners of years ago. i only found it yesterday it was real. i thought it was just a film with kate winsless in it. i only watched it cos i thought she would get her fried eggs out. still dont know if she did or no as i fell asleep and the missus wouldnae let me rewind it.
Paul67
If both clubs don’t bill each other for damages in the away section for each game, then Celtic must be well out of pocket in the last few years
I really think it’s something the club must look at for this game (deposit of monies). They will cause maximum destruction in their area on the night
ernie lynch 15.08
3. don’t start supporting a team with a bigotted signing policy ….
iPaddy McCourt on 10 April, 2012 at 15:02 said:
”Joe O’ Rourke is a semi-literate clown who has embarrassed all Celtic fans with his bigoted attempt at humour.”
He hasn’t embarrassed me.
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See lots of papers in North East linking us with Craig Gordon on a Bosman if Fraser Forster doesn’t sign. Good keeper if he gets his fitness back, has had a tough couple of years
ernie lynch on 10 April, 2012 at 15:05 said:
sorry I cant see the difference mate,
both were (in my opinion) wrong
Dullarse had as you say his positon of authority at the SFA, Joe has his, whether they are earning 100k a year or doing it for the love of the job is frankly irrelevant,
Dullarse represented an authority, Joe represents in my opinion something far more important than that.
Joe represents to an extent a section of the Celtic Support.
Celtic_First on 10 April, 2012 at 14:58 said:
What about Celtic PLC are completely happy and ensconced in the Old firm but they just fancied a regime change across the water. That was all.
Hail hail
kayal32 is that no the same as saying if your auntie was a dude he would be yer uncle. the boy has a knee like a flump and will want some mental dough. if forster doesnt sign we should sign the best keeper in scotland big greegsy
hail hail
Che on 10 April, 2012 at 15:16 said:
What exactly did he say that was offensive?
Paul,
My contributions at 14.04 and 14.24
As a new contributor I must say, and I am sure there are many other new or infrequent posters who will agree that it is so difficult to get a response on the blog unless you are “one of the lads “. I feel a bit disheartened by the fact that I have had minimal response to what I consider to be topical issues that I would really like a response to, from the better informed. Some can go on for ages with trivial matters which can be quite frustrating when you don’t get a reply to the topical issues of the moment.I hope there is not an “old boys club” here that is difficult to break through. There are many quality contributors,some are on line now, and I genuinely would have liked their take on whatever I was unsure about. Thanks
Rate Craig Gordon, only concern is how many games a season we would get out of him, he gets injured then we are looking at Zaluska.
Wouldlove big Forster to stay but if not a statement of intent would be a move for Rene Adler on a Bosman from Leverkusen.
Paul67 on 10 April, 2012 at 14:55 said:
“…..forget about the damages deposit, it is an urban myth that Rangers pay Celtic damages and vice versa.”
That being so, for what do they owe us £40,000 ?
breenjy wot u on about bud. i answerd you and you never answerd me back.
There was a programme (possibly Horizon) some years ago that provided strong evidence to suggest The Titanic sunk due to the use of substandard materials ,principally rivets ,by Harland and Wolff in order to cut costs.
The conclusion was that if the rivets had been up to the original specifications the ship would not have sunk, and that the effect of using the inferior rivets was that they began to pop after the initial impact effectively causing the metal plates on the side to shear off in a kind of cascade effect.
Original spec rivets would have held and although the ship was badly holed it would have survived to complete its voyage,
Much has been written about this over the years and the information is available on the net, but there has been no mention in all the questionable recent hype in Belfast.
Bottom line is if the ship had been Clyde built it would now probably be a museum that people could walk around, rather than a bunch of photos and propaganda in a museum which conveniently appears to ignore the facts of what happened and disgracefully celebrates a shameful episode in the history of the Northern Ireland establishment.
going on the comparison of dullarse, Joe should be move onto the Celtic board then, correct me if I’m wrong but has dullarse no been promoted to a european position ?
Breeny on 10 April, 2012 at 15:20 said:
“My contributions at 14.04 and 14.24”
I suspect that no one can explain why they are so confident of avoiding liquidation.
I would guess that they have got away with all kinds of scams over the years and so see no reason why this case should be any different,
As you can tell,like you, I am not an accountant.
PS. I am not “some banger pontefracting on the internet.”
Declan you are a star!
hen1rik, 13:04
do you have a link?
Joe O Rourke bigot or not? How can anyone truly know if he is or not unless they know him personally?
My own opinion is that he was incredibly naive to think given his position as a high profile Celtic supporters spokesman, his comments would cause consternation / outrage. I totally can see how his comments can be construed as bigoted ( and he may well be a bigot ) however I can equally see how it wasn’t intended to offend, just a misguided attempt at humour.
He apologised and therefore gets the benefit of the doubt from me. ( that he is not a bigot )
I hope we can move on from this. Its said, he has apologised and no doubt received plenty of vile abuse from some Rangers fans as a result.
I will in no way defend the comments but we all make mistakes.
Hail Hail
Roccobhoy
Breeny, are you a hun?
Ok one thing yet that may just kill gers off for next 5-10 years… If they are still in admin come start of next season then who will be left in the current team taking 75%reductions in their wages hmmmmmm
ernie lynch on 10 April, 2012 at 15:09 said:
BIG-CUP-WINNERS on 10 April, 2012 at 15:07 said:
He’s a hun and therefore not deserving of basic courtesy.
See the difference?
Yes, strange that you fail to apply your courtesy policy in subsequent days.
But let’s run with your train of thought that he’s “a Hun”. So what’s better ?
A) Dark Mingwall
B) Mingwall