The very last thing anyone connected with Rangers wanted to read this morning is that Andrew Ellis, Craig Whyte’s former associate, is suing the Rangers owner for 24.9% of the club’s shares. This puts a further legal impediment in the way of any potential transfer of shares or stadium assets from Whyte to a new party. It remains to be seen if Ellis is in a position to legally enforce his claim however the veracity of his claim may be moot.
Prospective Rangers buyers do not have time to spend in court hearings and appeals before the start of the new season. If a phoenix (or even a CVA) is to be put in place it is likely that those with a claim, any claim, will need to be satisfied.
This development comes a week after Whyte transferred the security over Ibrox he holds through Rangers FC Group Ltd to Liberty Corporate Ltd.
Legal issues over ownership of shares and assets aside, Rangers’ administrators still have to deal with creditors, in particular, HMRC, who will soon learn if their tax demand against the club has been upheld by the First Tier Tribunal, and Ticketus. Duff and Phelps were denied the right to set aside the deal which Ticketus struck with Rangers to buy thousands of seasons tickets, leaving a path open for Ticketus to present a legal challenge to any deal which does not recognise their interests.
Chances of an early exit from administration appear to be diminishing by the day. Motherwell were in administration for four days short of two years between April 2002 and April 2004. If Rangers are not out of administration on the morning the new season kicks off they would start on minus 10 points.
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BrayStreet
Don’t believe you.
They should be renamed the SOUTHSIDERS and the BBC have the perfect soap opera on their hands for viewing five nights a week and then a ‘live’ episode at weekends.
Minus 10 sounds great.
Ernie – he did of course know all about it but I suppose could not, like other Rangers supporters, see it for what it was – something that should have made having anything to do with that club unacceptable. In his case there were many mitigating circumstances but nothing made it right.
Bobby – I was massively grateful, and it was incredible viewing. Your gesture summed up Paul’s magnificent forum for me.
ASonOfDan – I don’t think Joe is a bad person. Always been reasonably impressed with his previous comments, but for him to continue just looks, rightly or wrongly, like utter hypocrisy.
Dignity FC – all of this couldn’t happen to a nicer football club.
BrayStreet on 10 April, 2012 at 12:30 said:
Oglagh 12.04 – you should accept that O’Rourke’s comments can’t be defended on the grounds that he wishes death (in however ridiculous a fashion) on protestant workers because they worked for a notoriously sectarian employer. Many protestant workers who worked in Harland & Wolff were not bigots. My father was one. He may have been a Rangers supporter but he did not have one bigoted bone in his body which is why his son grew up a Celtic supporter and a season ticket holder.
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On the contrary i do defend his stance. His comments may have been ill judged given the forum he chose to air them however the sentiments of his statement are factual, bigots and those complicit with bigotry built ships in H&W – an indisputable fact. Your family history has little relevance to the history of institutionalized bigotry and hatred in the Belfast shipyard unless your father and the other ‘decent’ workers openly protested against the treatment of their Catholic colleagues and was willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. If he did he has my admiration and gratitude. However he would be amongst a miniscule minority. The majority, even if they claim not to have participated in the violence and intimidation, where by their very silence complicit.
Ernie,
so lets say he was bothered about it (the huns sectarian signing policy), what exactly could Bray Street’s father have done about it?
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
What is about the rangers directors box? Neil told he would be unsafe there and now Duff&Duffer advised by the Police that they are not safe in it anymore.
Is this small area some sort of crime hotspot and no-go zone or are the police cutting back their numbers seeing as they are owed £50,000.
Paul67 and weeron;
I know I shouldn’t really pay attention to anything any of ‘them’ say but I seem to recall Jandy Sardine saying that if they hadn’t exited administration by the end of cup final day then they would start the next season minus ten.
The rule as posted by Gordon isn’t exactly clear so I guess we’ll just have to leave to the truth and reconciliation boys at Hampden. They may possibly decide that any team not in administration should be deducted ten points to try and ease the financial strain of any club in difficulty.
Barcabhoy1,
Enjoyed your post.
A wee note – question….
I woner if Celtic have spoken to Roy MacGregor of Ross County yet?
I mean, what will become of the “Rebel 10” when they become the “Rebel 9” – or not, – as the case may be?
Will the “Rebel 9 / 10 be asking Ross County to join them to become the “Rebel 10 / 11”?
Anyone?
ASonOfDan
It’s like our toilets when they come calling, a crime-ridden polis free zone-unless they’re off duty!
Is there not also a ban on transfers whilst in administration? How would this go if all the best players have negotiated freedom of contract?
Paul any idea if these documents Tommy from Glasgow has in his possession regarding a CVA are legit ?
Interesting to see how other sports deal with refereeing incompetence;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/17663539
oglach
I’m not sure the comments were a stance. i thought they were an ill-advised and stupid joke.
In that he wished that even more people should have died in the Titanic disaster really is stupid and crass. Your answer to bigotry and hatred is death?
Buddy Morrisey on 10 April, 2012 at 12:30 said:
Posters on RTC were mentioning the Wee Tax Case – what is the update on that ?
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The small tax case money was ring fenced by HMRC, days before the money was due to be handed over, RFC appealled. The appealled has now been dropped by Duff & Fudder but the money, like any other money owed has not been paid.
Alex Thomson – Oxford Graduate
Pat Nevin – Media Colouring Book@Caley Uni Graduate
Bill Leckie – College Colouring Book Dropout
…etc…
’nuff said really.
Irrespective of the validity or otherwise of Mr.O’Rourke’s comment, I have always been uncomfortable, even pre Internet, of headlines that proclaim,
“Celtic Fans’ Chief Says….”.
A secretary of any organisation does a very important job. He/ she is responsible for the smooth running of their organisation.
nothing more, nothing less.
They do not speak for their grouping and should not speak, or use their position to speak, on anything that pertains to their members: unless it is in the form of a statement passed by the members or committee.
In the case in question, it was either a case of crass stupidity or arrogance that allowed the author to be quoted thus.
In either case, he should step down.
He has made his Association look cheap and shallow and Celtic supporters are better than that.
Dick Byrne,
If they were dropped for mistakes some Scottish referees would be lucky get more than a couple of games a season.
Hi Paul,
Champion Spring day in the Chilterns…
P McC posted an article earlier today outlining a synopsis of Craig Whyte’s litigation ToDoList.
Can he keep all these balls in the air? He’s got too much at stake to walk away from this but how he seals the deal is beyond me. Can see him keeping his head down and being the Owner of RFCia for sometime.
Obviously Ellis is another RFC Director more interested in his self interets than his club.
I’ve no great love for R@ngers but has any Football support ever been worse served?
Most significant others this season
– maturing of Rogne, I can’t remember the last time he had a shocker
– Ledley, doesn’t get the focus brown or vic get but is developing his box to box role
– Stokes, in and out of the team but gets goals
-Mjallby and Thommo, have they learned to help/work with lennie more , don’t know much about what they do.
-Mathews, how good could this guy be, it’s scary .
-PL, stuck with Lennie, never a mention of a lack of support, yeah mistakes were made a couple of years ago but few would disagree we have a squad that could win next year and with some additions challenge in European competitions. I definitely queried the young team from different markets approach but he’s been proved right.
Anyone know if the compliance officer has asked Kenny Shiels to explain his remarks about the referee prior to the game on Saturday or is it only Neil Lennon who gets the call from him?
To put the remarks in context.
A user called Ian James Wilson told O’Rourke: “Aye while the Prods were building the Titanic all the Catholics were building an iceberg.”
O’Rourke replied: “Brilliant, the only problem is, the ones who built it didn’t sail on it.”
Although built in Belfast the Titanic was crewed out of Southampton.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17535757
I remember other clubs going into admin down south with 4/5 games to go so that they took the 10 point penalty in one season, if safe, in a higher league. The idea was then to exit admin during the close season.
Paul67,
Still think Whyte was a front fo David Murray to take the rap and hope everything would die down then step back in. Ellis is part of this scam big time with Whyte
This Rangers situation is becoming painful to watch.
They’re like a kid who has stuck his tongue to a frozen lamppost in the middle of winter.
Does nobody have a kettle or a spatula to hand? (thumbsup)
Ole Brother John Rowbotham (the other he of three penalties to Gers fame) is an after dinner speaker.
Many a tale to be told, I’m sure.
CultsBhoy, 10 seasons in administration would allow them to repay their dues and retain their history.
ASonOfDan , aye.
Lennybhoy, yes, indeed.
Larrybhoy, ha! Yes, maybe the SPl will start around December.
RogueLeader, yes, they sure will.
AndyM, if so, Sandy is wrong.
hen1rik, I don’t know what documents you refer to but there is no CVA.
Chairbhoy, I’ve not had a chance to read Paul McC’s article from today yet but will do so. Craig has not been the best at filling forms when required but I suspect he will be on the ball with matters at the moment.
tigertim
Thanks. So have Rangers or Duff and P accepted that they owed tax authorities monies and have they accepted Rangers operated with additional contracts?
Are football authorities considering these matters?
Paul67 on 10 April, 2012 at 12:34 said:
weeron, the key moment is 1 minute past midnight on the morning of the first SPL game of the season, not before then.
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Do you think that they may ask for an extension to the close season?
Paul67 on 10 April, 2012 at 12:34 said:
“weeron, the key moment is 1 minute past midnight on the morning of the first SPL game of the season, not before then.”
RFCIA spokesperson: We are not asking for an extension of the close season but we are expecting to be given one.
Has anyone heard how the procedural meeting on FRiday went?
“An SFA spokesman said: “Representatives for Mr Craig Whyte submitted a request by letter for further time to prepare their response to alleged breaches of the Scottish FA disciplinary rules.
“The panel adjourned the hearing, with three days set aside for both Mr Whyte and Rangers FC to attend on 17, 18 and 20 April.
“A procedural hearing has also been assigned for 6 April for Mr Whyte to lodge a substantive response and for representations to be made as to state of preparation.”
Thomthethim
Great minds? Or fools?
AsonofDan – we are free to believe what we want. But do you get my point?
Oglahch- bigots built ships at Harland & Wolff – fact. A small number of Catholics also built ships at Harland & Wolff – fact. A larger but still small number of non-sectarian protestant workers built ships at Harland & Wolff – fact. Let’s ignore the difference and make silly comments about wanting them all to die?
I am perfectly willing to believe that O’Rourke didn’t mean this but words have meaning all the same. All I’m saying is that it was wrong and shouldn’t be defended.
Paul67
surely Rangers cannot play in the SPL next season due to the failed financial criteria not being met.
I am looking forward to the compromise when do you think it will become official or do you think it will be a case of pulling the wool over our eyes
Hail Hail
Mon the Titanic debate. (thumbsup)
If it hadn’t been Joe O’Rourke it would have been someone else- all the Hunguffers are desperately looking for anything which puts Celtic [SPL Champions 2012] and their support in a bad light, to distract from events at Minas Morgul.
It’s impossible now to find any Scottish journo who enjoyed succulent lamb- heaven forfend!
They’re all lifelong vegans!
Paul67,
Young Chris Sutton in the making look no further than Joaquín Boghossian .