The mind is a remarkable thing. If you ask around, you’ll find Celtic fans tell you we played Boavista in the Uefa Cup semi-final in Porto on the Thursday night, before going to Ibrox on the Saturday (it was the Sunday).
Similarly, Barry Ferguson is mumping his gums without restrain today, complaining about Rangers fixtures in May 2008. Rangers were due to play a ridiculous number of games in May due to qualifying for the Scottish Cup and Uefa Cup finals, while catching up on postponed fixtures.
The SPL decided to accommodate them by extending the league programme until two days before the Scottish Cup final. This final was on the last possible date before clubs were ordered to release players for that year’s Uefa European Championships, which started 14 days later.
This season has echoes of 2008 but nothing more. Whereas clubs would have been forbidden from using certain players after the date of the Scottish Cup final in 2008, under current proposals for this year, the second bottom club from the Premiership and qualifier from the Championship will need to retain a number of players beyond their contract end date of 31 May.
Retaining players beyond 31 May will cost clubs money, and players could theoretically refuse to extend their season by a few days, which is this season’s problem. 2008’s problem was a hard deadline imposed by Uefa with no extensions possible. The decision was out of the SPL’s hands.
Great article on the club site today marking Br. Walfrid’s passing and the struggles faced by our forefathers in the late 19th Century. The news that the Foundation are feeding 500 of Glasgow’s homeless today continues the momentum from Wednesday night. Well done to all involved.
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Ach well, it was worth another shot, night night and god bless.
HH
Brian
Bmcuwp
I’ve more chance of being on the “naughty step” lol
Delaneys Dunky
01:59 on 18 April, 2015
Petec
Solidarity. Gdansk!
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Superb m8ty, you are Special, so very special.
I want oot of the EU because of the Tower of Babel construct that blatantly Worships Nimrod.
I vote UKIP in the EU thing, the Great DD disnae hold that against me, me voting for a party that is anti immigration.
DD, You and Me…..
This is the day that the Lord has made
Delaneys Dunky
Benicassim are you :
(1) all inclusive
(2) half board
(3) delf catering
(4) caravan
(5) twelve man TITP tent
or
(6) meeting up with a young lady from last year maybe ??:-)
Self !!
I am not the bestest person at expression myself and i never mean to offend anybody ,but i watched this program on Kodi And the validity of the program i am at a miniscule to discuss the outcome of the medical science of which we are available to . the full lenght program is avaialble on kodi ,.and i have saw it all and not many things make me say wow these days ,..but if there is some one out there maybe american who has the where ifrall to maybe pass this info about ,it is my opiniion worth a watch , the full lenght video appears when i have looked for it to be not available here in uk ,all there is is a trailer which does not do the full program justice …http://killingcancer.vice.com/ HBO any help would be appreciated
Marspapa
Two days in a 5 star hotel in Barcelona wi Ryan, then 5 days sleeping in the hired motor, or the beach. ;)))
Battery done
Defo g/night this time :-)
Saw this on TSFM
It may be an urban myth, but I remember hearing that a linguistics professor interviewed on Radio 4 some years back was asked to name his favourite word. Quickly he said “Oh that’s easy ‘f*ck’. It is by far the most versatile word in the English language. Only the other day I was passing a building site and I saw a labourer hitting a cement mixer with a spade and declaring ‘f*ck, the f*ckin f*cker’s f*ckin f*cked.’”
Was the professor also passing Neil Doncaster’s office at Hampden yesterday after talks concluded on the match schedule?
HH
Drinking, what were you thinking?
marspapa,
HH
Petec
Spoiling me now.
Manic Street Preachers. Bravo!
Aidan reckons the gig in Glesga was better than the Rone Stoses in Glesga Green
He has his own mind, I disagree though. ;)
WEETWEETWEET
Said for years that “F*** it” is the most wonderful expression in the entire language,capable of so many different meanings dependent on context.
I was trying to tell him that there was no way that the Roses were not as guid as the hfb, I’m such a bigot.
Back to work,I’ll leave you all with this…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUigqN4MrAQ
The Best ever track on CQN
Say a wee prayer for me, if you are so inclined.
The Best ever track on CQN IMO ofc
So Good I linked it Twice Dailly.
When God is not teached, Suicides will happen.
Atheism is being promoted, Kill yerself, subtle Humanist techniques, straight out of the Pit of Hell.
Feck so much.
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COLIN Telford warns that many Scottish football emblems could actually be illegal.
During my time at University, the Lord Lyon King of Arms was a footnote in a criminal law textbook; I parked the knowledge that he was in charge of heraldry and moved on under the assumption that was unlikely to come up in an exam.
Rev Canon Dr Joseph John Morrow could deem a number of Scottish sporting badges as being unacceptable. Picture: PA
He is more commonly seen on ceremonial duty when he appears with his officers at arms who bear the titles Rothesay Herald, Snawdoun Herald and Marchmont Herald, Ormond Pursuivant, Dingwall Pursuivant and Unicorn Pursuivant, all resplendent in royal standard tabard and velvet. Like a medieval squad photograph revealing a garish away kit, this group may seem unlikely foes.
But they are capable of inflicting defeats on the world of Scottish football.
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In July last year, Airdrieonians Football Club received a letter from the Lord Lyon’s Procurator Fiscal (who is responsible for enforcing heraldic law in Scotland) informing the club that its badge – a shield with a couple of lions on it and a cockerel above – had been deemed to be “an heraldic device”. This was the start of a chain of correspondence which ultimately required the club to sign an irrevocable undertaking that it would cease to use its badge from 1 September 2015.
But this issue is not just about Airdrie. The ruling that this League 1 club has had to comply with also applies to the vast majority of Scotland’s senior football clubs, as well as countless rugby clubs, golf clubs, schools and other such organisations.
The old Airdrie badge. Picture: SNS
What constitutes “an heraldic device” is solely a matter for the Lord Lyon’s office but, in correspondence with them, it has been confirmed that framing a club’s badge or emblem within a simple shield is sufficient to enter the world of heraldry. To further confuse matters, a shield does not require to be “shield shaped”; any enclosed shape will do whether circular, diamond, heart shaped etc.
In Scotland, no person or organisation can use “an heraldic device” unless it is contained within the Register of all Arms and Bearings which is maintained by the Lord Lyon’s Office. It is for the Lord Lyon solely to decide whether or not to grant you arms and there are a number of heraldic rules which must be followed. The rules are not written down anywhere but from what I can gather:
1. The first rule of heraldry club is… you cannot use a crown (ask Hibernian FC). That symbol may suggest a connection with the monarchy.
2. A Lion Rampant should be used with great care (ask Rangers and Dundee United). That may clash with the Queen’s own Scottish standard which, in turn, you cannot use without permission.
3. You cannot use a “castellation” or in plain English bricks which look like a castle turret above a shield (ask St Mirren) as that is used to reflect whether a place is a town, city, district, etc.
4. You cannot use a Saltire (ask Formartine United). Its incorporation within arms is strictly regulated as it would suggest national approval.
5. You cannot replicate your town’s coat of arms (ask Aberdeen and Kilmarnock). To use anyone else’s registered arms is forbidden.
6. You cannot use letters (take note Airdrie). Heraldry is about describing who someone is without using letters or numbers.
7. There is a limited range of colours that you can use.
If you break any of the rules, your arms will not be entered on the register. There is no right of appeal. Standards must be maintained.
If that sounds like something from a Monty Python sketch, try reading the Lord Lyon King of Arms act from 1592 under which the power to prosecute is given. Written in old Scots it empowers the Lord Lyon “to put inhibition to all the commoun sort of people nought worthie by be the law of armes to beir ony signes armoralis” i.e. to keep the commoners in their place.
Although the Lord Lyon has his own Procurator Fiscal, there is no “heraldic police force” searching out offenders. Rather, the Lord Lyon’s Procurator Fiscal only takes action where a matter is brought to his attention. In the case of Airdrieonians an application was made to the UK intellectual property office to trademark the badge (by a party other than the club). But Highland League club Formartine United was victim of an anonymous tip-off made to the Lord Lyon’s office and hey presto, Formartine United’s badge was deemed to be “an heraldic device”. It contained a saltire and so could not be registered.
There are many football clubs in Scotland in a similar situation; most of them have not been “in trouble” (yet) simply because they have not been reported. If this was to happen, what would the dreaded letter mean for them?
It would be an option to fight the matter in the Lyon Court but the law is clear and historic use is no defence.
In response to our own situation at Airdrie, an underground movement called the Airdrieonians Tattooed Resistance has been formed and within the last fortnight 11 committed individuals have been added to the ranks.
Another option would be to apply to the Lyon Court for registration. The cost to register a basic shield is £2,500, and if your request is successful, you are provided with your new badge hand painted on calfskin vellum and the Lord Lyon will protect you in the event that anyone else seeks to use it.
With the Airdrie chairman announcing that financing a playing budget next season will be a challenge, it would be an option for our supporters’ trust to seek to raise that sum, but we would rather focus on community initiatives such as free season tickets for kids which we funded to the tune of £9,000 last year.
Finally, a club could adopt a non-heraldic badge. That would have no cost and may involve removing the shield or adopting a simple circular corporate logo as has become commonplace. Gone is the uniqueness, tradition and goodwill value within the local community associated with the old badge.
The Lord Lyon has no jurisdiction in England, and the equivalent office south of the border has not requested clubs to register their badges. Many English football clubs therefore simply register their badges as a trade mark. No calf or any other animal is harmed in the process, and the cost is only circa £150. If that is sufficient to protect Manchester United and Arsenal, I see no reason why the same approach would not work for Albion Rovers and Montrose.
For arms relating to the monarchy, military, individuals and civic entities I can understand the involvement of the Lord Lyon. For corporate bodies and community groups, I would argue that the trademark regime would be more adequate.
There are also those in society who follow our national game. I would suggest that we are far greater in number, but change will only occur if “the commoun sort of people” come together and make their voices heard. If your football club is not affected, there will be a golf club, bowling club or school close to you that is.
Together with Supporters Direct, a change.org petition has been set up in order to demonstrate public support for change and I would ask that you show your support for the cause.
The petition can be found at https://www.change.org/p/scottish-parliament-recognise-and-protect-the-community-value-of-club-badges?just_created=true and further details of the campaign are available at http://www.savethebadge.co.uk.
• Colin Telford is a member of the committee of the Airdrieonians Supporters’ Trust and a solicitor.
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18/04/2015 1:38 AM GDT
They are scraping the barrel now Celtic ahead of the game as usual.
18/04/2015 1:00 AM GDT
bringthemon Quite a lot of tosh, some interesting, though,in the article.
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Sorry about the state of the above post. I wonder if any matters will be brought to somebodies attention now that Ashley has control
I knew Humanism was bad when ma big sister remarried when Celtic lost to Porto.
The Greatest Couple Ever, btw.
A Humanist ceremony.
Immense CQNer, less text at this time of night.
I’m doing it again – Angered
When the Awe Naw goes into a place that hus Christ there, i have no fear.
Wars of nations are fought to change maps but wars of poverty are fought to map change- THE GREATEST
Deila joined the debate in the wake of the fixtures farce over the final day of the Championship season and believes the power of TV has reached a critical point.
Celtic take on Inverness in tomorrow’s Scottish Cup semi-final at 12.15pm, having only played at 3pm on a Saturday four times this season.
Delia believes fans are being short-changed and the authorities must take control.
The Norwegian said: “TV is an issue that I don’t like in terms of the kick-off times. It should not be TV that controls football – it should be the opposite.
“It should be about the supporters and the clubs so that they can make money by getting people into the stands because that is what we live for.
“I understand the economics of it are so important, but then television takes control.
“I don’t like that. It’s not the best for people who like football. I don’t like it that television is telling us when we’re playing. We want to set the time ourselves.”
Deila is used to 6pm Sunday slots in his homeland and feels 3pm on a Saturday should be the rule rather than the exception in Scotland.
“It’s so hard to plan the weekend with the family and also get to the games,” he said. “If Saturday at three o’clock is the best for Scotland, we should play more at that time.
“I would also rather play at six in the evening than 12 in the morning.
“Football should be played at night because you get a better atmosphere. It’s a big problem. We need supporters to come to the games. We need interest and television needs it as well.
“If there are no people in the stadiums, it will be more boring to watch.
“Communication is very important. It’s the same with chief executive Peter Lawwell. I want certain things and he wants his things. We put our points across hard and then compromise.
“It should be the same between the clubs and television – give and take.”
Watching norwich boro game here
Was it lee tomlin we were linked with before ?
Looks good player.. could do with some of ronnies fitness sessions but looks to be skilful with good pass and shot
proudbhoy
Yep……the very one.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23913890
HH
Lymmbhoy
Would have been a good signing..kris commons type player.
roy croppie
20:03 on 17 April, 2015
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the Jungle celebrate
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Brilliant, just brilliant…think that was the Jungle…jast after the Maestro’s magnificent equaliser v’s Hertz in Centenary Year?
Thank You….roy croppie – Hail Hail
……oot.
There’s an article on the LNS-report on the – Celtic Underground site…canny cut & paste and it asks if – LNS was duped?
Celtic’s response to the LNS-report was…dripping in collusive-slime and, as I would have thought…a Celtic board bursting at the seems with billionaires would have, ensured that the best-legal-eagles that money could buy would have been working behind the scenes to ‘ensure’ that, no stone was left unturned for LNS….to be duped?
22 trophies ‘stolen’ from under the…paying-in-good-faith-Celtic-fans-noses and, all the hierarchy had to say was – “We’re surprised!”……that was it!….in fact…to demonstrate how yellow, the Celtic hierarchy really are…the sent manager, Neil Lennon out to speak the clubs ‘feelings’ during his Friday football press-conference…shocking-shocking-shocking.
In fact…know what was more shocking?…Celtic fans were too bust gorging in jelly & ice cream to be ersed challenging the boards incompetence!
How good will that jelly & ice cream taste when…the died(LOL) huns are back stripping trophies again next season?
…………………..to be continued.
bust=busy
Morning KJ
Ayrshire is Green and White
Some great stuff put up by Roy Croppie and the bhoys last evening.
We have Mo Johnstone described as a “Hun”.
Now my guess there would be little argument on that.
Apologies for getting a bit parochial and West of Scotland and if I have made any errors please correct me but I think it is worth describing how he got there.
He’d often be described as a high profile Catholic, but I was never that sure of his “practicing” status and from my understanding he came from a “mixed” background.
Now, when he played for Watford he wasn’t described as a Hun.
He transferred to Celtic and got some Scotland caps, he wasn’t regarded as a Hun.
He then went to France where he played football for Nantes, he wasn’t regarded as a Hun.
Now then he did some dubious double dealing and ended up at Rangers. He was then described as a Hun.
Now I’m not aware Mr Johnstone changed his Religious outlook/practice.
Therefore it surely follows that he was described as a “Hun” because he was a Rangers player and had nothing to do with his Religion.
Ergo “Hun” is a term for those associated with Rangers, regardless of Religious persuasion.
re the quiz
Billy Liddell too old to be playing then imo , cant remember him as a player just the name.
sorry have i missed the answer ?
H H
KevJungle
06:08 on 18 April
You’re no the full shullin