St Mirren chairman, Stewart Gilmour, last week suggested the SPL’s 11-1 protected voting rule, which in the past enabled Celtic and Rangers to block changes against their interests, was a reason for him to oppose Scottish football’s league reorganisation plan.
Today, with Rangers consigned to history, Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell, proposed a change in voting rules, replacing the requirement to have an 11-1 majority with a 9-3 majority, which Aberdeen chairman, Stuart Milne, called a “major concession”.
This was not linked to the league reorganisation vote, but Stewart Gilmour voted against this change, despite using this voting rule as an excuse for his reluctance to allow reorganisation. So we now know St Mirren’s objection is nothing to do with voting rules, the brought Aberdeen’s Milne to say on his way out of Hampden, “You need to ask what [St Mirren’s] agenda is”.
After the SFL’s chef exec, David Longmuir, came under pressure from First Division clubs for opposing reorganisation plans, Newco Rangers’ chief executive, Charles Green, was a guest of Gilmour’s at St Mirren’s recent game against Celtic. Green has been a vocal opponent of the league reconstruction proposals and right on cue, Newco released a statement offering support to Gilmour and Ross County, the other objectors.
For those who like their irony straight from the mouths of the stupid, Newco even suggested St Mirren and Ross County “should not be singled out for criticism. They stood up for what they and their fans believe”. Just like all those clubs who were criticised bitterly by Newco for voting as their fans wanted a year ago.
Milne added, “St Mirren FC have really got to pose themselves the question qhy are they prepared to put Scottish football in jeopardy for their own selfish interests, which they have been unable to do today.”
Some people have a belief that there will now be an invitation-only SPL II with Newco being invited. I can tell you with absolute certainty this will not happen. There will be no Newco in the second tier of Scottish football next season.
Instead what has happened is attitudes have hardened against such moves. It would not be at all surprising if 10 SPL clubs declined tickets for their visits to St Mirren Park next season – the anger is that serious. The status quo will be maintained, St Mirren have lost enormous goodwill above and below them, First Division clubs have failed to secure a significant boost in income and the SPL will get on with business.
All of which brings us back to Stuart Milne’s question, what is St Mirren’s real agenda? I know fine well what it is, but they have not damaged Celtic, they have not assisted Newco in any way and the poor St Mirren fans will inherit the collateral damage.
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el maestro
09:56 on
16 April, 2013
If you are indulging in a bit of undercover work in an effort to improve,then fine,however usage of terms such as “AYE” is a bit of a giveaway.
Don’t think your “READY” yet.
good morning cqn bampots
ha ha
see some trumpet posting we need a strong sevco
thats right we do need a team to spend million of pounds that they have not got
because the last one that done that when into liquidation and are died
let the mighty sevco spend and run at a £13 million pound loss per season
they will provide us will many a laugh when they get the same fate
murray ran the died club at a loss
duff and duffer ran the died club at a loss
whyte ran the died club at a loss
green is running a newco out of ipox at a loss
everyone can see the pattern except a few trumpets who miss yon died club
jam67
Bob Loblaw.
Agree we shouldn’t get too hung up on these docs being legit.
For me there is a far simpler line of investigation ie the £137,500 and the £25,000.
Green has,as far as I am aware,admitted to the existence of both payments (albeit with the usual surrounding of smoke and mirrors).
IF it is established that whyte (or his partner airlie) paid these amounts and they were never returned then the clear link between whyte and green is established.
If in doubt,FOLLOW THE MONEY
Hello zombie my old friend.
You have now reached the very end.
el maestro
Welcome to CQN, I hope that your stay is long and prosperous.
El Maestro
There is an argument in favour of competitive leagues being more exciting. It’s a scaled-up version of a last-minute winner against Aberdeen for an unlikely 4-3 victory being more memorable and more exciting than a 1-0 win, with the goal coming on 20 minutes or something.
I understand that.
It is also logical to conclude, based on the experience of all of our lifetimes, with a hiatus between about 1980 and Sounness, that the greatest level of consistent competitiveness would come from a local rival with a big support and the ability to sign some good players as well as turn local boys into good players with good coaching.
However, our local rival cheated consistently for more than a decade on and off the field. It bankrupted itself. It is in liquidation. Its fans were consistently an anachronistic, racist disgrace. They have attached themselves to a new club. Nobody knows how it will end up going about its business, but the early signs are not promising.
Bottom line: competition is exciting and the deady bears gave us competition, by fair means or foul. But it cannot be at any price. They have paid with their very existence for being so greedy that they were prepared to cheat systematically. They did that to themselves.
So, if there is less competition now, on a consistent basis, it’s where we are. It’s not Celtic’s fault.
This is the sound,of Sevco…
This is brilliant, you offer an opinon, people disagree-fine , BUT because they disagree your a hun!!! Tell me am wrong ,your entitled to it, but assuming am a zombie is pretty poor and petty!! Couldnae make it up!! Jony The tim, hows things, You still hitting a ball? I still mind you went out in 31 stableford and came back wae 10 to win it by 1 lol, some man HH
Can somebody point me in the direction of the punishments Rangers (RIP) received for the biggest sporting scandal ever to hit the UK, one of the biggest corporate tax swindles ever in Scotland (which could be even bigger depending on the HMRC appeal).
It pretty much seems to me that they were hit with a transfer embargo that only started once they had signed a squad. Anyone pretending that a transfer embargo in the fourth tier of Scottish football is anything approaching a punishment needs to put down the crack pipe. Why would anyone need to purchase players to win what is effectively an amateur league.
They were hit with fines which were quickly filed in the big bin along with countless other invoices in the big bonfire of creditros that was held last year.
The completely new club was allowed to jump the queue into the SFL past Spartans, Edinburgh City, Irvine Meadow etc despite only being in existence for a month and having no accounts. You can’t be relegated from a league you have never played in – this was promotion on a scale never seen before in Scotland.
And the financial arrangements of the new club were given all the scrutiny of a David Murray new stadium announcement in the late 90s. Resulting in Soctland’s newest club posting a loss of almost £1m a month, a disgarced director of the deceased club waltzing in as director of the newco un-noticed and a guy completely unfit to run a corner shop being allowed to take on the role of Chief Exec of Newco.
And some people want this shambles back at the top of Scottish football to “increase competition”. Their predecessor pretty much trampled all over any notion of “competition” for most of the last 25 years. In what way would Charles Green’s version of “Rangers” improve top flight Scottish football.
Craiginho
Think we are being a bit unfair on El maestro – he is entitled to his opinion and we should respect that and argue if neccessary. We are Celtic supporters not zombies, don’t treat our own like that. Welcome to CQN mate
The only way spl2 wont beforced through is if all the othet clubs fans make it plain that we wont support any move from the save the sevco brigade . It is up to the supporters alliance to win this battle .
Celtic First , couldn’t agree more pal !
I remember posting here recently that, while on holiday, I was watching the Juventus v Celtic game in the company of another Celtic fan in a Spanish bar.
Towards the end of the game, he turned to me and said…….”You know what?…I’d give all this up to have the Old Firm games back…that’s what it’s all about”
I was flabbergasted. Sadly, these guys DO exist.
Sevco Wednesday
el maestro
I disagree.
Welcome.
medtim
10:15 on
16 April, 2013
Bob Loblaw.
Agree we shouldn’t get too hung up on these docs being legit.
For me there is a far simpler line of investigation ie the £137,500 and the £25,000.
Green has,as far as I am aware,admitted to the existence of both payments (albeit with the usual surrounding of smoke and mirrors).
IF it is established that whyte (or his partner airlie) paid these amounts and they were never returned then the clear link between whyte and green is established.
If in doubt,FOLLOW THE MONEY
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but at no point has Green came out and said the Director papers lodged at Companies House are fake. He has simply said they are being used to smear him.
Whither the cash strapped scrofulous hillbillies the day?
From Murdo MacLeod smashing the ball into the roof of Oldco’s net on May 21st 1979 until Albert Kidd’s double against Hearts on May 3rd 1986, the Scottish Premier League was at its most competitive best. 3 different champions in 7 years, the winner never more than 7 points ahead and more often than not only a couple of points ahead, goal difference deciding it on 1 occasion and 1 point between 3 teams on another. 2 provincial sides reached European finals. What was the league structure during those halcyon days? A ten team top league.
Where did it all go wrong? The summer of 1986 saw the beginnings of the end of a competitive league system, financial doping arrived at a certain underperforming club and the game has been on a downward spiral ever since.
Tell you what ask A&E units in Glasgow and surrounding areas if they miss Celtic v huns games and I’m sure you’ll get a unanimous answer.
I am 34 years old, born in 1979 and in my entire life I’ve never once seen a Strong rangers team.
I’ve seen rangers teams who in league terms were an irrelevance to th outcome of the title – for the first 8 years of my life they didn’t win the league.
I’ve seen rangers teams of strength financed by almost unlimited bank overdrafts afforded to no other side.
I’ve seen rangers teams backed up by money that was paid into EBTs which are still in the process of having their legitimacy questioned.
I’ve seen what happens when supposed restrictions on their overdraft take place still allowing massive spends to buy success
AND
I’ve seen (albeit once or twice at best) this current incarnation fumble and stumble about against part timers while having its backside handed to it by ICT and Dundee United respectively.
I have never seen a team in blue from Govan who played by the same set of rules as everyone else on the park either.
I have never seen a Rangers team who built their success on anything other than spending more money than the opposition and highly questionable people who ran the game – Farry the most obvious candidate even with that massive financial advantage.
Why would I or any other fan want to see that return?
We know why the media want it – it keeps them in business.
We know why Sevcovians do – it is their raison d’etre
We know why some Celtic fans want it – they cannot accept change of status Quo or they are oblivious to the ills committed by the oldco or just plain moronic.
This season has seen crowds INCREASE at most clubs and season ticket sales also increased in support of the refusal to buckle and let them away with all their behaviour.
It has seen the most competitive SPL EVER.
It has seen one club (whose Chairman has done something so stupid and ruinous to the smaller clubs) win a trophy.
It has seen Hibs get another chance to end the biggest Hoodoo in Scottish football.
It has seen an SPL club become one of the top 16 sides in European football.
It has seen the highest scoring SC Semi-Finals in decades.
It has seen the emergence of many new young players.
It has seen the emergence of unfashionable clubs as more competitive than the traditional bigger sides.
Scottish football has shown the shoots of recovery without the vampire club draining them of the will to play, draining them of their better players, draining them of their own finances because they do not need to spend more to fain competition but the vampire’s bite has reached Paisley and here we are.
Celtic as they have said will be fine but what of the others who needed this?
St Mirren you have signed your own future and it doesn’t look pretty or healthy from where I’m sitting.
Cheers Mearns! am just trying to look at the big picture here! My bhoy is 7 and Gary Hooper daft ( right doon to the daft haircut) He will be gutted when he leaves, could i blame Hooper if he left ? NO, due to the lack of competion and poor standard! I understand we have lost many a great players down the years i.e Kenny, Charlie, Mc Clair etc and will happen, NL even stated he would like a crack at england!! All am trying to say is I loved and hated the Celtic v Rangers games in equal measures! Butterflies in th stomach from the thursday!! Rarely enjoying the game, relieve when we won, Hardly facing your work when we got beat!! Am no ashamed to admit i miss it big time!!
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
10:10 on
16 April, 2013
If el maestro isn’t KevJ, I’ll eat my eyeballs in an egg and eyeball buttie.
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Thanks mate,was wondering what to have for lunch:O(
Cup of tea it is then.
Snake Plissken
That’s a quality post Mate, 34, must be a hard life with all those beautiful girls in Slovakia!!
Has anybody seen Broadfoot recently?
Snake Plissken
10:43 on
16 April, 2013
Agree with starry,great post.hh
El maestro, all newbies get called a Hun mate, don’t take it personal, tin hat an thick skin are the order of the day. You’re entitled to your opinion, but do you think THEY would be so charitable if the roles were reversed? We’ll do fine without them so will the rest of Scotland we’ve just had the best 2 Scottish cup semi finals for years, don’t believe the hype mate. HH.
Morning bhoys from a warm and sunny hun free mountain valley.
I for one don’t miss them.
I would rather there was a strong Aberdeen, Hibs, Utd to challenged us.
I must admit, that beating them was wonderful, losing to them was as bad the other end of the scale, but I am glad that I will never have that feelings again.
The sure fire way to make sure they are never going to challenge us again, is to sort the referees.
EL MAESTRO
I doubt many of our players miss the “competition” offered by Rangers.
It was little more than thuggery and nothing to do with the beautiful game.
Kicked and cheated,why would you miss that?
Me,I’ll never watch us play them,in ANY incarnation.
You can miss them all you want-and welcome to the site,ya controversial sod-but I quite genuinely never want to see them again.
Well said the Snake!
Hail! Hail! PMTYH
“The game is gubbed.”
Quote of the day from the Accies chairman.
Quality post Snake
el maestro
No butterflies before the Barca and Juve games then?
Not feel gutted at the Barca last minute goal or getting humped off Juve?
El Maestro,
Liars ,theives,cheats and bigots. What is there not to miss.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
I’m sure Gary Hooper, Robbie Keane and Andy Hinkle really miss the huns special style of defending…
VP-How you doing? Read back and you were asking if i was going to the game on Sunday,i was there.
Heard a bit of Guidi doing his usual Newco cheerleading last night trying to get Scotland’s newest club fast tracked. There is no way that that club should ever be fast tracked and when they die for a second time, they should be refused any kind of license.
!!Bada Bing!!
How you doing mhate,is that you just catching up?must be keeping busy?
Thought we might have seen you in pub after game.