Before digesting news reports that Dave King is set to return to Scottish football as a director of Newco Rangers, it’s probably worth a caveat. Today’s ‘news’ has the same heritage as pretty much every false steer emanating from Ibrox over the past decade. Honest Dave King may well hope to take over at Ibrox but I could just as easily believe he has no intentions of getting involved.
Two months ago King accepted liability for 41 counts of contravening the South African Income Tax Act, while agreeing to pay the resultant bill, the equivalent of £46m. By act of sheer comic genius he is being heralded as the most appropriate person to take control of Newco Rangers, the club brought about by the disastrous income tax affairs of Oldco Rangers, while King was on the board.
Lord Nimmo Smith prevaricated on some issues in his report into Oldco but he was unequivocal in his condemnation of the directors, including King. South African judge, Brian Southwood, described King as a “glib and shameless liar” in 2011.
In every practical sense this man is a perfect fit for the Rangers group of clubs. Every scrap of information available on how he conducts his affairs screams ‘Rangers tradition’.
As for Fit and Proper? Don’t make me quote a second judge!
In the event the SFA have to make a Fit and Proper decision on King they will have to consider Nimmo Smith’s view. It is not even remotely credible that the SFA are competent to rule on King while their president was subject to the same criticism from Nimmo Smith (although Judge Southwood provides a convenient out).
The narrative being peddled today is a final throw of the dice by some, nothing more. ‘A guy will hunn’ers of millions is coming in to make everything OK’. Aye, sure thing.
Sean Fallon: Celtic’s Iron Man:
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Tom McL……
I think its all hilarious……
Haven’t laughed so loud for a long time.
Castlemilky Bar Kid…. saves the day.
PSML….
Away to change the breeks, then off oot anaw……
HH
:)))))))
Tom McLaughlin
11:00 on 13 October, 2013
ernie lynch –
“I would also suggest that the Celtic board are complicit.”
The Celtic board are complicit in what? When was Dave King appointed to the board of Sevco?
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Subjunctive, mate, subjunctive.
If it happens it will show the Celtic Board are complicit in whatever it takes to reestablish the whole Old Firm money spinner.
GCT
Its difficult for me to gauge ALL of the Celtic support but most of the ones I know agree with Ernie on this one.
normanstreet49,
I actually think Nevin was a very good player and we missed out in not signing him and I know he was still a supporter when he played down sou’. But he has decided that he won’t have a future in broadcasting up here unless he adopts the general attitude of condemning Celtic and the support about anything and everything (and it doesn’t matter what you make up, as he does repeatedly) and sooking up to all things hunnish. What he doesn’t begin to appreciate that simply because of who he is they will never accept him no matter the nonsense he spouts. He and Keevins and Walker deserve one another.
Guys, looking for some help. Anyone know of a bar in Altinkum, Turkey where I can catch the hibs game ? Nothing on celticbars.
Ernie, why would it be a money spinner? Because many Celtic supporters are waiting for the newco Rangers to enter the top league. One can hardly target the board without mentioning all the old firm obsessives who watch every game involving newco Rangers.
Margaret McGill,
Please don’t count me in that particular group. Ernie Lynch attacks our Board whenever he can, while trying to rehabilitate the likes of Michael Kelly who were complicit in Celtic almost going to the wall.
Tom
I take your point that the SFA has yet to receive formal notification of King’s appointment.
It’s highly likely though that soundings have been taken from the SFA, and that they’ve come back positively as regards King’s status.
The problem many of us have, and this might very well be a case in point, is that while there is a rule book and a set of rules, time and again when they require to be applied to the ‘Rangers group of clubs’, the rules are reinterpreted to mitigate any negative consequences.
In essence, there are no rules.
Let me give you an example:
The SFA recently changed their Articles of Association to reflect the Nimmo Smith construct that a club can be separated from its owner and operator if the context requires it. (Recently being June 2013)
Taking this approach, the club – the SFA member – is Sevco Scotland Ltd, since renamed The RFC Ltd.
TRFC Ltd is (we are told) wholly owned by RIFC plc.
On an ordinary reading, you would conclude that RIFC plc is the owner and operator of TRFC Ltd – the SFA member club.
Alternatively, you can make the argument that TRFC Ltd is the owner and operator of the intangible ‘Rangers FC’, which is the Nimmo Smith proposition.
The SFA’s article 10 on the status of the directors refers only to “members clubs”.
If you adopt the latter reading of the club/company dichotomy – that the club is ‘Rangers FC’ and its owner and operator is TRFC Ltd – then the SFA’s rules do NOT apply to RIFC plc, who in this view are the owner of the owner and operator of the club.
In other words, by applying the rules selectively and elastically as the required outcome dictates, there simply are no rules.
TBB
Will Big Peter have any input ( or has he had , as the deal seems done)regards the fit & proper test?
Surely Big Pete will vote against it ?
Surely he will resign if it is allowed on a point of principle ?
No ?
Why not ?
This King seems to have somehow made a huge fortune down in South Africa.
But it would appear that he to only wants to -TAKE- from a country where the majority live in poverty.
He ,like others we know, doesnt want to pay his taxes that would go to help the whole country.
In the context of his situation would say he is a thoughorly undisirable character and has all the credentials and more to follow in the footsteps of Murray ,White ,Green etc.
Michael Kelly: staunch Labour man. Staunch old firm man. Treated Celtic like his plaything. Nowadays he writes condescending articles about Celtic.
SO, only Celtic can speak out on the Dave King appointment, the rest of the Scottish clubs have no say? What gives Celtic the god given right to be the boss of Scottish Football? Just for once BOARD BASHERS let the rest of Scotland have a say, like it did when RFC was tossed out the league, it’s the same old same old board BASHERS, never miss an opportunity to bring in PL and slag him off, it’s like when Sevco are up to no good, the SMSM never miss an opportunity to drag Celtic into it, makes me wonder who these people are, but you have an opinion, but so.do the rest of us, and I am not one of the people Margaret McGill knows, that’s I have a diff. Opinion from her, no harm done.
Oz based Bhoys.
Gary Og touring late October early November.
http://troubadour-music.com/blog/?p=721
Dates and venues in link.
HH
Parkheadcumsalford
11:11 on
13 October, 2013
Judas and coins of silver spring to mind……
But as its Sunday….. I’ll let it pass on by…..
HH
It would be obscene if South African money was used to keep the good ship hun afloat .
Parkheadcumsalford
11:14 on 13 October, 2013
Margaret McGill,
‘Ernie Lynch attacks our Board whenever he can’
That’s incorrect. I am critical of the way they have dealt with whole huns thing. I have posted in defence of The Great Desmondo when posters on here have said he is a liar.
‘to rehabilitate the likes of Michael Kelly who were complicit in Celtic almost going to the wall.’
On a couple of occasions I have posted positive stuff about Michael Kelly when he has said the right things. My view of Michael Kelly and his contemporaries is that they weren’t up to the Job, Celtic had got too big for them, and they had to go. You’re maybe getting mixed up with what I’ve posted about Bob Kelly.
henrik sombrero.
try asia minor bar, there a few years back showed Scottish fitba.
they do a cracking mince n onions and mash tatties.(am no kidding)just like back hame.
hail hail
big sean.
Right Ghuys I’m off for a bit. Before I go can I ask those of you that Pray to remember George Ryan/St. John Doyle in your Prayers and those that do not to remember him and the Ryans in your thoughts today and tomorrow.
George will be received into St. Andrew’s Cathedral this evening at 18:30 when he will receive the Fortified Rights. His Requiem Mass is tomorrow, Monday at 10:00 in the Cathedral.
Those that haven’t and would like to make a donation to the Trust Fund in memory of Sean Ryan/’Mini St. John Doyle’ (copyright Sophie Ryan) contact me and I will send you my details. Any further donations will be added to those you have already made and passed on in due course.
God Bless George Ryan, God Bless CQN, God Bless the Ryans.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Forgot my contact details:
Those that haven’t and would like to make a donation to the Trust Fund in memory of Sean Ryan/’Mini St. John Doyle’ (copyright Sophie Ryan) contact me and I will send you my details. Any further donations will be added to those you have already made and passed on in due course.
lennybhoycfc@gmail.com
God Bless George Ryan, God Bless CQN, God Bless the Ryans.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Gentlemen,
The fit and proper ruling was brought to light after that baddest of bad boys craigy white done all them nasty things to the rainjurs.
If these plebs want to bring in someone who bends/ breaks/ smashes these rules I say let them.
tonydonnelly67
11:19 on
13 October, 2013
Well we will all find out on Nov 15th where we all stand as Morrissey 23rd mentioned earlier. Right? I am all for having the rest of Scotland have a say. In fact, its the only reason the huns are ploughing the current potato fields of Scotland and not cheating their way to europe and being dumped there pronto.
It seems Mr Fit and Proper still has an outstanding case for attempting to bribe a SARS official…probably just a minor inconvenience.
Somewhere in a castle on the countryside, a set of magnificent eyes are fixed upon a DVD of Lubo’s greatest moments. Craigy Whyte is happy. Who said Capitalism was bad? Magnificent work.
MARGARET McGILL
You canny say that!
Huns ploughing potato fields?
FF will be in meltdown…
Tom McLaughlin @ 10.50
Accuracy like that, didn’t stop CQN’rs posting that Celtic had voted the old Rangers into L1 and indeed into the SPL, right up until the final moment when the Celtic “no” vote was revealed.
Neither will it prevent MSM garbage from the likes of Keevins telling us that Artur Jorge is the next Celtic manager, or that Peter Lawell will have the casting vote on Dave King.
Personally hope he gets the gig, – ‘the man’s a bum – he’s got no money”
Good morning fellow Celts- just catching up on the blog
spotted this from jimbo67 – made me laugh
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jimbo67
04:41 on
13 October, 2013
TC45
I have come to really hate the international weekends- they are like Sundays in the 60s.
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
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felt the same in the 70’s buddy ;-)
superb stuff!!
Attempting to bribe a SARS official , is a mere bagatelle over here, you don’t even get community work for gods sake!
No New Article?
InternationalBreaksSuck CSC
John O’Neil
11:45 on
13 October, 2013
lol
I was having a few beers with his mum and aunties/ cousins last nite
;-)
Don’t believe the Skype
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie
11:46 on
13 October, 2013
Yup
the farmin is over
the huns should have known
Tom English in today’s Scotsman:
Last June, amid the desperate rancour of the Rangers debacle, Dave King visited Glasgow with a number of things on his mind.
He wanted to speak with Charles Green and get reassurances that he wasn’t just a front man for Craig Whyte. He wanted to dynamite David Murray and his hubris and single him out as the main cause of the collapse of the club. Whyte had merely accelerated the decline, he said. And, also, he wanted to show some contrition on behalf of Rangers. He was the first one to do so.
A week earlier, the new chairman, Malcolm Murray, had issued a statement that typified the Ibrox mindset at the time. Murray said that if Rangers were not welcomed back into the SPL then the other clubs in the league would be signing a “mass suicide pact”. That arrogance and sense of entitlement was not lost on King, who took a different tack when he flew in from his home in South Africa.
King said that Rangers needed to take their medicine and advised that an illustration of penitence wouldn’t be a bad idea. “There’s not been enough, in my view, humility with the way the football authorities have been dealt with,” he said. “I think Rangers have been a bit arrogant. We did make mistakes. It’s not Charles Green’s fault, it’s the previous owners. I was part of that board at the time. I think we should be a bit more helpful than we have been.”
In the space of an interview that lasted just short of 12 minutes, King mentioned the word ‘humility’ three times. “Scottish football needs a strong Rangers,” he said. “But what Scottish football also needs is a level of humility and a level of reparation from Rangers and either that’s going to come from Rangers or it’s going to be extracted from Rangers… The conversation that Rangers should have had with the authorities was a quiet conversation, from the point of humility.”
That conversation never took place in the way King would have wanted. It was a pity, because he was right. And no matter what you thought about King you had to have respect for him for swimming against the Rangers tide and calling for an expression of regret rather than Malcolm Murray’s objectionable, and self-defeating, conceit and condescension. If it was Murray’s contention that Rangers were “the people” then it was his air of supremacy that prevented him from seeing that “the people” didn’t have a leg to stand on at the time and that an apology rather than an attack was the most sensible approach.
King could see it, but his voice was drowned out by all the noise of a fractious summer. The enormous contradiction in all of this, of course, is that at that precise moment the South African Revenue Service (SARS) were not only accusing King of a lack of humility but were also threatening to get him stuck in the slammer for upwards of 15 years. When told of King’s call for contrition at Rangers, a source close to SARS was not exactly impressed. “What about practising what he preaches?” said the source.
This is where the analysis of King becomes mind-bending. A year earlier, the man who wanted Rangers to express regret for the things they had done wrong was denounced as a “glib and shameless” liar by a judge in a South African tax court. In his epic battle with the authorities, King was described, by Justice Southwood, as a “mendacious witness” who had “no respect for the truth” and who “does not hesitate to lie.” King versus SARS lasted 14 years and it was the biggest tax case in the history of the country. In the beginning the revenue service were chasing him for 2.7bn rand (about £230m) but recently the entire affair, including the 322 criminal charges, were settled for around £44m.
King accepted that he had not been compliant with South African tax law and expressed regret at the way he had behaved. It took him long enough, but he got there in the end. There is now something of a rush to install him as the new King of Ibrox, the great redeemer who can replace chaos with order on the back of his undoubted wealth. Rand off the radar, or something like that.
Of course, this wouldn’t be Rangers if there weren’t multiple layers to the story. There’s the moral argument and whether an accepted tax cheat should be welcomed into Scottish football. The flip-side of that is that he has fronted up and paid his dues. All matters have been settled. The moral argument is less important than the technical argument. The SFA’s improper person rules are a bit like their rules on gambling. They exist, but the question is how rigorously they will be enforced.
King’s involvement in Whyte’s board should be an insurmountable obstacle to the notion that he can become Rangers chairman. King was no acolyte of Whyte’s, far from it. But he still had a degree of culpability. For confirmation, all the SFA have to do is re-read the report of their own judicial panel investigation into Whyte’s regime. King, it said, had asked a few questions and griped a little about the lack of information coming from Whyte, but beyond that, the report concluded, he hadn’t done a whole lot to challenge the former owner. In essence, he should have done more.
None of that should stop him investing, though. Even if he is denied the tag of chairman, as he should be, he can still bring his cash and his influence to bear, can still attempt to bring order where there is now chaos, can still plot a future for Rangers that involves proper governance instead of the current circus act.
King doesn’t need to be on the board in order to invest and stabilise Rangers. What he needs is to be welcomed, not so much by those who reign at Hampden, but by those who control things at Ibrox. He needs the warring factions to behave themselves. He needs them to stop kidding themselves that they are doing a good job at Ibrox, that the club is safe in their hands. If they can’t do that, then this club is heading for the poor house again.
You’d hesitate to buy into all those headlines about the “Return of the King” and the “King and Aye” and all the other trumpeting of the exiled Scot as the great redeemer. It’s too early. Regardless of his shameful tax history in South Africa and despite the SFA’s rulebook that ought to preclude him from being chairman, nobody can stop him from investing in Rangers if he is given sufficient opportunity. It’s not the SFA he should be worried about. It’s the guys wearing the club tie and smiling gormlessly as the ship heads for the rocks again.
Saltires, I saw his double yesterday in a cafe. Superimpose Craigy’s face upon Brigitte Bardot’s body and you will see that she still remains a beauty. Not that that is something which I have done! I just love the man. By the way, I met you outside a bar before the Shaktar game I think. Hail hail.
The ducks will cheer you up
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John O’Neil
11:58 on
13 October, 2013
Saltires, I saw his double yesterday in a cafe. Superimpose Craigy’s face upon Brigitte Bardot’s body and you will see that she still remains a beauty. Not that that is something which I have done! I just love the man. By the way, I met you outside a bar before the Shaktar game I think. Hail hail.
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:-)
Yep I remember -pub opposite Babbity’s’ you were with CRC and Richie -I was with my son
HH
Cheers Sean. I’ll see if I can find Asia Minor bar.
KING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmJY9va2lJ4
Pure class
Anyone else reckon that the timing of King David’s ascension to the throne is nothing more than that well-known Masonic ruse of diverting the discourse?
In other words he just done it to take attention away from ma petition!
O’K l’ll get my coat…………
Remember though: http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/judgesmasonregister
Only 17 days left for signatures.