Our man on the inside, Charlie Green, seems to have upset a few people over the weekend. Charlie was playing to the gallery with his “bigotry” comment; it is not credible that the 35 clubs who voted against providing Sevco access to an elevated league are demographic significantly different from those of Rangers (1872/3). Although, there is a good chance that each of those 35 clubs will have a more mixed profile than the former club.
Green is still fending off interest from people with far greater pull with the Rangers (1872/3) support than he has (genuinely hope he succeeds here). He needs to sell tens of thousands of tickets to prevent his new club slipping into the hands of one of the other consortiums still trying to buy a piece of the action. I always caution Celtic from playing to the gallery, it delivers short term populism but is surely the alternative to a strategic plan. I am sure several clubs will express their alarm at these comments to the SFA.
Unfortunately, since the SFA failed to take action on either of Ally McCoist’s earlier inflammatory outbursts so they can expect more of the same from Green and others.
Attempts are being made to convince thousands of people a bigoted bogeyman has been out to get them. 99% of the target population will do no more than complain loudly but it’s the unpredictable >1% who exist in every community we should be concerned about.
To the best of my knowledge no Scottish club has ever accused others of bigotry, not even during ‘that’ 80 year period. If this is the new acceptable standard, the SFA are welcome to it, but it will be better for all if we go elsewhere to play our football. Our game has been potent for a century but it has now become dangerously unstable.
Let us go now, before this is whipped up any more. Anyone wanting to hold Scottish football together in its current form has a lot of explaining to do.
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TET – a lot of that is due to better training, and nutrition.
What happens just now is that you have better equipment as substitutes for skill.
B B
Ta for that. Been away on a wee Urquart tour for a few days up at Braemar just missed owl lizzie too. <o)). How did you get on with the wrist bands? Did you get my blog about what i put on the wee slips I gave folks who took one?
scotpatsfan. my broadband speed can be poor enough at times, so will just have to put up with a few freeze frames and jumps….better than nothing i suppose
From the Telegraph: By Ewing Grahame
“Green claimed, ludicrously, that the Rangers newco had been denied entry into the Scottish Premier League as a result of religious bigotry, in spite of the fact that no new club (never mind one with no audited accounts) had ever been admitted into the top tier.”
E.Grahame seems to understand the ‘new club’ idea ok. Maybe it’ll catch on.
SPF
CaltonTongues on 30 July, 2012 at 22:24 said:
googybhoy ♥ Celtic on 30 July, 2012 at 22:21 said:
You don’t get many tips do you?
I get a few and certainly more tips than in that weightlifting.
;>}
Wewease Woger fae the Daily Mail on Scotland Tonight footy chat.
Good night Bhoys.
THE EXILED TIM on 30 July, 2012 at 21:22 said:
Bookies Pen for a Button on a Blazer
Graham Hunter, a Barca based scottish jurno has been quite vocal here about the FFP thing, he is convinced that uefa will give in to the big clubs, he also has mentioned Celtic on quite a few ocassions.
We have everything going for us, support, stadium, solvency, all we need is a TV deal, and I believe it will come sooner rther than later.
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It is an interesting one where the commercial rubber is about to hit the integrity road.
I like listening to Hunter but do not forget that
a) The big ECA clubs themselves asked for FFP (to bring their debts under control) by limiting what could be paid in wages solely to football related income and so reducing them.
b) The Europeans Governments insisted on better financial regulation and pressured UEFA to act to stop clubs going out of business. The use of their tax gathering services is an indirect non interfering way of pressurising clubs in this direction as we have just seen here..
c) Spaniards (for example) are being asked to pay more tax and suffer public service cuts, whilst football clubs in Spain owe the tax man fortunes (I hear Malaga are going pear shaped)
d) Hunter is a football man (like Billy Dodds if you will pardon the comparison) and as such is incapable of concieving of a set of circumstances where football actually conforms to normal business rules and thinks there is a never endless supply of shieks or dumb tax payers. So whilst I like to hear his views, they are as skewed by self interest in preserving the quality of Real or Barca as Traynor’s are to saving Sevco.
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e) You cannot have football as a sport if integrity becomes second to business. Now that might mean it will become a business on a franchise basis with no promotion or relegation with stars pulled in from leagues where it remains a sport, but it will not be football as we know it. However it will not be an ever expanding franchise fuelled by non football money , it will want to make a profit. The highest paid players have already exhausted the TV money and are being paid by money borrowed from outside football, money that citizens under tax pressures and unemployed are going to want to go to better causes (like job creation for themselves) than players pockets. It will take a while for supporters to realise they are responsible for contributing to players wealth at the expense of their own, but that penny will start to drop as citizen hardship increases in direct relation to footballers wealth. At that point when attitudes change wages will drop.
e) The clubs Rumenigge complains about ARE being financially doped but they are few in comparison to the total. Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd Real, Barca all of whom carry considereable debt. Of that lot I would only miss watching Barca on a regular basis and if the Spanish Govt are serious about getting clubs to pay their taxes their status as debt fuelled giants is not assured.
Having said all that stupidity in the belief that an ever increasing supply of borrowing will always be available might still prevail and FFP will be ditched, but the stupid were saying in 2007 debt was infinite.
Finally for Rummenigge, read Berkel, for football read Northern European tax payers giving and Southern European non tax payers taking.
How long will the former bail out the latter with no controls in place and no will to reverse matters? Dropping FFP would be akin to doing that.
Henrik proved he was world class in the uefa cup run IMO. Our only two goals in the semi and then two outstanding goals in the final seal it for me. To do something like that on that stage is the mark of a true great
DBBIA
When it comes to the likes of golf, tennis the better equiptment I agree, sports like football I agree that nutrition has much to do with it, it’s so hard to say that the Brasil team from 70 would beat the Spanish team of today.
The Brasil team were imo much more exciting, but they couldn’t hold on to the ball like the Spanish team can.
Whatever, the Brasil team were a joy to watch as are the Spanish team, pity that they will never play each other.
Jude
Got bands on Friday n sellin sellin sellin lol
HH
googybhoy ♥ Celtic on 30 July, 2012 at 22:38 :-))
I know yer a taxi driver in Manchester but, have you ever picked up Franny from The Chorlton Irish Club or anywhere else in Manchester?
He’s a member of our bus.
Absolute superstar, Hamiltontim will confirm but, check the coinage :-))0
CT
Nice to see you in a good mood for a change
BRTH – good post, although I read the athlete stuff in the Guardian last week. Hardly surprising with all those young, fit people in such close proximity!
All that was missing was Frankie bhoy….”dae ye want yer holdall?!”
T4
If Campbell Ogilvie resigned tomorrow and Sevco were not given a license and the SPL agree to reinstate any titles lost because of proven financial doping would you be more likely to buy a season ticket and/or subscribe to SKY for this season to see and support your team ?
HH
Bada Bing
Just for ewe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXUKKbSirT4
The debate will always be a subjective one but,to me,Henrik was without doubt world class.
Fwiw don’t write off platini, uefa and the ffpp. Platini is very determined that his plans, which they are, are put into practice.
The Spirit of Arthur Lee on 30 July, 2012 at 22:48,
Thanks, the blood pressure is down from 210/145 (Deid)
To 143/87 within a couple of days, AND, the ongoing hun fantasy!
What’s not to like?
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on 30 July, 2012 at 22:49 said:
Ha ,ta ya internet bampot ye :}
Bundoraan Bhoy
Good man. <o))
CaltonTongues on 30 July, 2012 at 22:46 said:
Never picked the bold man up but would be happy to do so. He can have a free one on me.
CT – just checked and got 142/81 and that’s after a couple of vinos tonight.
Well impressed with your high figures!!
Years ago I came back from a stag weekend in Magaluf with 180/110 and I’ve been on the meds ever since! It’s all in the genes….
HH
TTTT
Bada Bing
Compliment accepted. <o))
Auldheid,
As a director of Bayern and top man at the ECA he is utterly pathetic. Why does he not get his organisation to rattle cages publicly ..a few snide remarks aimed at a particular team is worse than woeful.
I think the fact that John Mclelland wrote the ECA charter probably does not help.
The ECA can only scream you will have to speak to UEFA. It is a non organisation. It took them 3 months to react to Mclellands fall from grace.
I dare you to go through thier web site and leave it with a positive feeling about football.
With every passing day they do nothing about Sevco the more I am inclined to believe Hunter.
HH
Tasted one of the best pints of the Pure in The Fife Arms in Braemar at the weekend.
Jude2005…,
but was it world class, would it be in your first 11 pints ever tasted
Henrik was world-class with us.
Just tuppence worth in case there’s a poll going.
celtic40me – the outburst from Rumminegge shows the UEFA FFP initiative up for what it really is. The uninhibited actions of the people/groups running Chelsea, Man City and PSG show that Platini’s ‘baby’ will not be applied to the top clubs in Europe.
Quite interesting, when you consider Karl-Heinz’s role within the ECA.
T4
If this is the acceptable standard, SFA are welcome to it.
It was never acceptable – thats the point:,
Henrik was indeed the king, second best Celtic striker in my day was Frank Mc Avennie and the third was Dixie Deans..
Neil
Yipp no probs!! Was the Original not the chilled. That chilled Pure rattles ur teeth!!
Auldheid
As interesting as ever.
Integrity only matters when those deciding on the rules deem it so, money will out at the end of the day.
Deep in the recesses I can recall Jimmy Hill campaigning for better wages for players, they were on about 6 quid a week if the memory serves me, what did he start………
Hunter is not skewed, he knows what is going down, he sees Platinni as a gold digger, the idea of FFP is a good thing, but unless there are major concessions it will fail, the concessions are that the current big clubs will not lose out on the income streams the currently enjoy, the only way they see that is a weekend euro league.
As for the Spanish government, they have enough trouble making themselfs a cup of coffee, let alone tackling the current problems here, football is way, way down their list of priority, jeez, there is over 70% unemployment in my local village, football is and will take a back seat for long enough.
While the likes of Real, Barca, Manure, City, Chelsea, PSG are spending looking for glory and dishing out a few brown envelopes no doubt, they will dictate, things have changed since FFP was first mooted, the eurozone has dipped into a recession that wasn’t envisaged, or the scale of the recession wasn’t envisaged to be as harsh as it is..
I will have a wager with you,….FFP will be diluted so much that it bears no resemblence to the currewnt FFP or ditched, or I will change the crest in my pool to a hun crest, that’s how confident I am :>)
I won’t even mention Billy Dodds, oh I just did !!!!
googybhoy ♥ Celtic on 30 July, 2012 at 22:58 said,
Cheers, but do you do freebies from Manchester to Possil?
Honestly, he’s brilliant and, I’m sure lots of Celtic fans know him.
The best carry-on we had recently was before the 3-0 game against the huns last season. Most of our bus turn up at mines for a drink (9am) and I take the bus up to the game and, as it was getting a bit boisterous, Franny (who doesn’t drink) went mental shouting at everyone to shut up and, the film on Sky at the time was The Quiet Man, so, he was christened Michaleen (aka Barry Fitzgerald) and, it has stuck.
SpittingImageCSC
Bloke109 on 30 July, 2012 at 20:52 said:
Well done to RTC. Agree with most of the comments, and it’d be good to see an epilogue with the FTT. There was some genuinely good, intriguing and entertaining debate, not least from Barca and BRTH, but the level decreased of late and I never saw the point of people posting the exact same comments on there and here. Still wonder who (s)he is though :-)
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On your point about posting the same point on both blogs, (and I’m not taking this personal just explaining my approach) after some thought I did so for a few reasons.
1) If the idea behind the post was prompted by a comment on RTC and the issues had merit it was easier to copy paste it here. The same applied the other way.
2) Not all Cqn folk read RTC and some posts on there may be of interest to them.
3) CQN has a wide readership so the issues discussed go further into the group consciousness if posted on both.Some have a Celtic slkant, others a general footballone.
4) Folk do not necessarily follow the thread of a discussion on CQN unless they read all the page, so whilst a post might be a repeated point to some readers, to others it is their first read.
A couple of years back I realised the power of the bampotnet to influence thinking, change minds and with it outcomes. I recall telling the story to Jeanette Findlay and she asked me jokingly if I was messing around with peoples heads. When I thought about it I thought “by jove, she is right.”
The story was the derivation of the use of the word hun to describe a Rangers supporter. It was a very plausible story (and I presented it as a possibility on KDS not a fact) about Harland and Wolfe arriving in Govan in 1912. Wolf was German, WWI broke out in 1914, propaganda posters calling Germans “Huns” made an appearance and with so many of the H&W ilk following Rangers the term became one by which they became identified. Only the last bit is the conjecture, the rest is factual.
A year or so later the whole story including the conjecture is posted on CQN as fact. I asked the poster where he heard it and he said in a pub!
Something unreal had become a reality to some and that is how we can all create reality by being persuasive or indeed passionate about our own ideas or our own versions of the truth, always of course speaking our truth (as opposed to the fabrication I consciously created in that tale).
Ideas – the most powerful weapon of creation.
Matthew 13:31-32 ;)
tommytwiststommyturns on 30 July, 2012 at 22:59 said:
CT – just checked and got 142/81 and that’s after a couple of vinos tonight.
Well impressed with your high figures!!
Years ago I came back from a stag weekend in Magaluf with 180/110 and I’ve been on the meds ever since! It’s all in the genes…
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Very good but, you don’t sit next to HT:-))
DoctorKildareCSC
TET
It is one thing defrauding the taxman and another defrauding an American bank and another thing again a Russian gangster.
If Uefa dont do anything when it is the nice safe HMRC …. They never will.
HH
Driver of the bus decided to take abt 30 of us up to see the waterfall. Ten people got off to take pics and brot abt 5 million midges back onto the bus with them. A lot cussin and swearin broke out. God did we scratch??
Awe Naw
You have just hit the nail on the head mi amigo, the will is not there.