Michel Platini’s Financial Fair Play initiative at Uefa has been one of the more inspiring developments at the top of our game for decades. It brought spending into line with income throughout the English game and punished what Platini called financial doping.
It has been so effective, Platini now promises to relax the rules. The blame does not all sit with Platini. Uefa are dealing with 10 legal challenges to the rules, with complainant clubs citing European Law in their defence. The big football powers are split. The English appear in favour of FPP (Manchester City aside), while many stressed clubs across Europe are in opposition.
The concept of living within your means is still resisted in our game, not just in barred hold-outs in Scotland.
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murdochbhoy,
Do you mean that this bunch of chancers were not open to ridicule and suspicion before now?
AR
Spiers on Sport: A laughable decision, but now let Dave King crack on
ok GRAHAM so all the peodos ,murderers,rapists and drug dealers are getting out on probation and will be in a bail hostel in your street………………………………….
ZACTLY………
ps anyone who buys a season ticket for ANY team in Scotland or does not take back one already bought will get what they deserve,so don’t come on here bleating about stonewallers and bent refs…………..kev jungle disnae talk pish awe the time.
http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/119425811276/unfit-and-improper-dave-king-passed-for-rangers
On the glib and shameless one
antipodean red
Absolutely – I should have added ‘further’.
I’m of a mind this is the perfect opportunity for Scottish clubs to present a solidarity sadly lacking in the past and pressurise the SFA into publishing the details behind the inquiries decision.
murdochbhoy
07:47 on
20 May, 2015
Good morning CQNers,
The SFA must publicise their reasoning for passing Dave King as a ‘fit and proper’ person otherwise they leave themselves open to ridicule and suspicion.
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They were quick enough to give us ALL the details of the Tonev case, but dont hold your breath for this to be revealed murdoch.
Morning all.
Pretty dismal down here weather-wise. Still,I’m a Celtic supporter.
Bankiebhoy 1, I don’t agree with the tone of what you write but I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment. People have been telling us on here that we are in a new Scotland. That may develop some time. Personally,I have serious doubts. Every nation needs a scapegoat to pander to its secret shame. In Scotland, we’re it. Thankfully,it isn’t on a par with the likes of Burma.
Burgas Hoops:
I was thinking about the Tonev case this morning, he gets found guilty and hammered, on the ‘balance of probability’ clause, although the kid had no previous record of being racist and therefore there was no pattern of behaviour to support their ‘balance of probability’ conclusion.
King on the other hand is a convicted criminal, he has previous, the whole world knows he has previous, his pattern of behaviour of years included defrauding the public purse of his adopted country and it went on without remorse for years.
Not only are the rules of the game in Scotland being bent to accommodate one club, it appears that company law is being circumvented too. Between them they are setting a most dangerous precedent.
Parkie etc………
I didn’t write it and I don’t agree with all of it either muchacho………
His tone is all his own as are his opinions –
The post belongs to Sandman – I reposted it.
Some of the points raised are well made and well put.
Cheers!
HH.
kitalba
Morning, yep the Tonev stitch up is the comparison to make here without a doubt.
Hearts were the first SPL club to publicly state they would not vote for newco Rangers being admitted to the SPL. They were closely followed by Hibs, ICT, and Dundee United. Celtic did not publicly declare their intentions until the numbers stacked against Rangers cause made the Celtic intention academic.
And that is easily checked.
Burgas Hoops:
evening for me mate, just about to make the kids their scran.
Regards Tonev, that decision, I really did take that one to heart. They found him guilty and possibly ruined his career to a degree and they did it to get at us.
The Guidetti one was an absolute farce to, what was the result with that one, and all for disrespecting another team, not for using the hun word (sic).
They make it up as they go along and they get away with it almost every time.
The only time they have not gotten away with it is when legals have been threatened or initiated.
Opps! I missed out Aberdeen from my previous post. Aberdeen declared their intention to vote against whilst the numbers were still in the balance.
I for one will not deprive my daughter from going to see her beloved team because the SFA are bent and our board are part of the charade,
she can make her own mind up when the time comes.
Celtic have always been cheated and they always will.
It is part of being the underdog.
Faith of our fathers…
We will be true to thee.. they hate us all the more because of this..
Dave King says his investment in Rangers would have been in doubt if the Scottish FA had deemed him not to be a fit and proper person.
The businessman has been cleared to take up his post as the club’s chairman, two months after shareholders voted him on to the board.
King arrived in Glasgow on Tuesday evening after news of his clearance broke and told STV in an exclusive interview that putting money into the club would likely not have happened if the governing body turned him down.
“One of the things I said at the previous meeting when I was here six to eight weeks ago was that investment, my ongoing investment, depended on me getting through fit and proper,” King told STV.
“Now it’s been cleared, I am now in a position to proceed. So I’d expect that to happen quite quickly [investing money].”
Pressed to confirm whether his investment was dependent on fit and proper status being granted, King said: “Yes, yes. I always made it clear that if I had no long term future with the club, my investment was linked to that.
“I said that when I was here last time that while I expected the fit and proper to happen and go through OK. If it didn’t happen then we would have to take a different approach.
“I wouldn’t have walked away but the situation would have changed. I would have had to look at how we would do it.
“Certainly I was very clear in the interviews I gave previously, my ongoing investment requires my ongoing involvement.
“I didn’t doubt that it would happen but it was made clear to all concerned that it was a consideration.”
That stance differs from what King said on the day he was voted in as a director at Ibrox in March.
“If I’m not found fit and proper I will not sit on the board,” he said at the time. “I’ll still invest, I’ll still support it.
“I’ve got, I must have 40 companies back in South Africa I control and I don’t sit on the board.
“To me being on the board is not critical. I don’t think it will be an issue. But if it turned out to be an issue, it wouldn’t make any difference to Rangers going forward.
“I would just operate and give input as a shareholder, as opposed to a non-executive chairman.
“The issue is not about power. My position is no different from Paul [Murray] or John [Gilligan]’s. We are all trying to achieve the same thing. It’s not really about power.
“If for any reason a regulator came and said ‘Dave, we believe you’re not fit and proper’, and I had the proper opportunity to make representations and they still concluded that, then I would accept that.”
Fit and proper process
King came to power at Rangers via a shareholder vote at a general meeting on March 6 but has stayed in the background since then awaiting the Scottish FA’s clearance.
That was finally delivered on Tuesday after he submitted documentation which convinced the governing body over his 41 tax convictions in South Africa.
King was also judged upon his suitability to be a director given his involvement with the Rangers oldco when it went into liquidation.
“It’s great, it’s not so much relief because I kind of expected it,” he said.
“But I think it’s been very frustrating for me and for probably most of the members on the board that a lot has been happening over the last couple of months where I think with the effort I’ve been involved in to try and get the change of control, it’s been a great pity I’ve not been involved in what’s going on the last couple of months.
table and start to make progress.
“The first step for me is spend some time with the existing board members and management and get a good sense of what they have been doing over the last couple of months.
“Because with my situation, I had given an undertaking to the SFA that I wouldn’t act as a shadow director. So we’ve been very, very precise in making sure I didn’t get involved in the affairs of the club.
“So it’s going to take me a few days to find out what has happened over the last couple of days and then we’ve got to sit down and start planning for the future, get the budgets in place, get proper funding plans in place and we’ve got to carry out what we’ve promised to do for the fans.”
Mike Ashley’s loan
One of King’s first tasks could be to find £5m to pay back shareholder Mike Ashley’s Sports Direct company after he called on fellow stakeholders to push for the immediate repayment of a loan given in January.
If shareholders vote to return Ashley’s money, Rangers will have 10 days to raise £5m to pay him back.
Repayment would ensure he no longer had control of Rangers’ training ground Murray Park, the Albion Car Park and their Edmiston House property at Ibrox Stadium.
It would also see him relinquish his stranglehold over the club’s brands and trademarks, as well as guaranteeing a greater return of retail profits from the joint venture between Rangers and Sports Direct.
But failure to raise the capital required to pay Ashley could see Rangers default on the loan arrangement if shareholders want him to be repaid.
The matter is likely to be decided at a general meeting of shareholders in June.
King though insists the Ashley matter will not be an issue. He said: “I will check that with the chaps when I see them tomorrow. But it’s certainly not something I am remotely concerned about.”
Asked to confirm whether Rangers had the funds to pay Ashley back his £5m if shareholders required the club to do so, King replied: “Of course we do. It’s always been part of the plan, but it’s just a question of whether it’s an appropriate thing to do.”
kitalba
I was at home in Bulgaria at the time of the Tonev debacle, it was headline stuff on all the news channels with much debate going on at the time. Interviews of folk in the game and OUTSIDE the game were many, and not ONE even questioned if there was any truth in the stitch-up.
Governing Body:Rotten to the core and anything to put Celtic down, which they achieved btw.
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family
08:37 on 20 May, 2015
‘Celtic have always been cheated and they always will.
It is part of being the underdog.’
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I don’t think it can be regarded as cheating when the Club are complicit.
It’s Celtic who are cheating their fans, not the SFA.
i think the unprecedented fit and proper investigation went like this:
they wanted from the start to pass the G&SL as fit and proper because it is what ra peepil wanted
so they got the lawyers in and asked them to find out whether they could be open to any legal recourse if they say he is fit and proper
the lawyers come back and say that theres nothing illegal in saying that
and so they come out with the statement
so the question they asked was ‘could we be taken to court if we pass him as fit and proper’
and not ‘is he fit and proper’
simples
the game gets benterer and benterer
Been saying for a while ,we are better on the outside of the tent,we have been seen as party to rehabilitating the huns……unless this was the plan all along?
blantyretim:
Being cheated is not part of being the underdog. We are not the underdog.
Once again the usual bores blame everything on Peter Lawwell – these people are among the saddest on the planet – probably posting on here because they are shunned by society at large.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves with deluded talk of “ten in a row”. Getting to five will not be without problems; however I believe it will not be hindered with CL group qualification.
Will the Europa, stadium two thirds empty, with expected crowds of circa 20k, and disinterest from our diehard ‘through and throughs’, be an even greater threat to the title – of course Aberdeen will fall at the first hurdle to a giant from Andorra, or Lichtenstein, as usual, thereby allowing them to focus on the SPFL.
King, fit and proper? Cellino at Leeds is a saint by comparison, and yet hss been banned in England – Scotland is a closed and bigoted wee region.
When did Calum Murray retire? He’s been reffing games all season.
Kit and ernie
we agree that we are being cheated by the SFA and the PLC
I said to DBBIA a few years ago that whilst PL was CEO I would not have a ST for Celtic park.
I cant allow myself to deny my daughter part of her heritage by preventing her from going to support Celtic Football club..
Is it still the case that the club has to say they think he’s fit and proper. Rather than the SFA actually doing an investigation?
work calls..
Snadman@1.30
There’s a lot I agree with in your post but
“‘Celtic’ men who somehow contrive to blame every Hun episode of mendacity not to their liking upon Celtic, Celtic PLC, Celtic supporters and anyone”
I, for one, do not blame Celtic for everything or anything they did. My criticism is over what we did not do.
“Getting involved in parochial wee squabbles and finger-pointing and statement issuing about every devious move our enemies make to undermine us is exactly what the Huns and their desperate acolytes want; dragging Celtic down to their pitiful level.”
That is the telling bit and where I part from you. Why is it parochial to defend fair administration in your own arena, the only arena you have a chance of influencing? You do not have to get involved in a slanging match: you can make your statement of disagreement and move on. You can explain that an industry that allows clubs to dump debts without sanction and move on as before makes it harder for ALL clubs to seek a credit line and to be trusted by creditors to operate as a respected business. You could even suggest that, taking Rangers past history out of the equation, it would be good to have a rule that allowed future title stripping for all offences of this type. But, no, we said nothing, because our enemies were making the “mistakes” of successfully negotiating the 5 way agreement, with the LNS commision, with European football regulatory bodies and with the Scottish media and general population. You may feel that you have won one battle because you know that they died. But the rest of Scotland will be calling you and me delusional for expressing this belief because the official narrative will say different.
“they’re nothing to us anymore. The best they can hope for is to be a shadow of what we are.”
We will see how much of a “nothing” they are to us by the clamour for tickets for the fixture. I think you will find that, among the Celtic support, there is a large group who will not treat them as a “nothing” club but will positively relish having them back. There is almost as much desire on our side as there is on theirs to forget what happened, just drop it, and get on with playing them again because it was more fun before we got told it was officially a bent game.
Spikeysauldman@ 7.08
“for those vowing not to renew their season books –
i suppose you thought it was a level playing field when you first bought it ?”
A fair point. There has always been corruption and partiality. However, there is evidence that, on some occasions, not all, in the past, our club has joined us in protesting what it perceived to be sporting injustice. This seems to me to be as large a crime as the flag issue was, bigger than the Cadete registration issue, though maybe not as big as the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 68 :-)
I think it was worth a moment’s demur. A whimper would have been welcome. But silence makes us look like masochists.
If anyone can spare some time before the game on Sunday we’re meeting at Brother Walfrid’s statue at 11am to collect signatures in opposition to the OBaF Act.
Football fans not criminals.
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family
08:52 on 20 May, 2015
‘I cant allow myself to deny my daughter part of her heritage by preventing her from going to support Celtic Football club..’
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Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
‘Tis folly to be wise.
Earnie just to be clear are you saying Celtic are cheating their fans and not the SFA or both Celtic and the SFA are cheating the Celtic fans? H H Hebcelt
Bankiebhoy
That was a heck of a post.
I don’t fear Them or their little helpers. Never have done.
Their only “glory years” of 9iar have been exposed as the sham we knew them to be.
Every little help up they get from officialdom just actually makes them worse off than they were before – it continues the delusions under which they operate. Reality always, always catches up. It has with them and tainted them with the shame of Admin and Liquidation they can never shake off. They know it, we know it and they know we know it. Even their self delusion can’t run that deep.
I couldn’t enjoy a single victory my team ever got other than when won on an honest and even playing field. What’s the point otherwise? It doesn’t put food on the table or clothe the kids.
Every one of their little pyrrhic victories now just makes more and more glad of who I support.
Mr Pastry:
Who are these people who are blaming Peter Lawwell. You called them bores, have the balls to name them or just GTF.
People are still confusing the huns with the SFA. It is the SFA that has to be cleaned out, and the huns will then be what they deserve to be, whatever that is, who knows? Who cares?
But with the SFA as it is in place, when the huns go up to lift the Scottish Cup we’ll be able to purge our misery with chants of CHEAT! CHEAT! CHEAT! and Campbell will be sniggering at you and the huns will be pishin’ themselves laughing at us whilst they retort WATP.
mr pastry
08:50 on 20 May, 2015
Even the timing of the announcement, contriving, as it does, to lift the gloom over ipox just before the Hibs game, is truly pathetic……..it’s all about the potential revenue of having the hordes crawling to places like Manchester again, and that’s the only reason…….welcome to your inclusion in Scotland’s Shame, dear SFA…..YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW…..and mr king will be using SB money only, not his own ….watch this space
blantyretim:
I’m not asking you or anybody else to do anything. Each and every one of us has to reconcile what he does, or does not do, with his/her own conscience.
If you are happy with what you do then I am happy for you, honestly.
My God it beggars belief that a good Celtic man on the night shift actually laments the fact that his son is saving up for a Celtic season ticket and wonders how he can talk him out of it, almost as if his son was saving up for a kilo of crack cocaine.
The world has gone mad.
‘Law change proposed in scotland to help ex-offenders find work’
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32800432
SerendipityCSC
HH jamesgang
Sandman –
Post of the month.
Superb stuff.
Thank you.
Was it right for King to tell the media investment was doubtful if he wasn’t ‘passed” fit and proper ?
Why didn’t the media hammer him for this?
Imagine it was Celtic or any other club.
Shame on the media and the SFA.
Support the SFA