I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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Afternoon Celts
Hope this wall to wall old firm s**** is over soon.
Its brain damage.
Hope the Bhoys put them right in their place tomorrow, the Huns are insufferable bigot morons, the daftest and vilest fans in fitba.
Cannot stand the fecking sight of them.
P.S. I doesnt matter how you twist it, whatever metaphysical spin you attempt to put on it.
Rangers are no more…finito…..Sevco are a new club.
No amount of dissembling will change the reality.
I dont care what they think or believe….I know Rangers are dead.
End of Story.
HH
Amidst all the talk about non football stuff, and whatever we know about them behind the scenes and their farcical setup, the new club come to Celtic Park as a team who dominate possession in most of their matches. This is something we don’t really face domestically, a team who average 55-65% possession in their games.
That said, they struggle to kill teams off, and going forward they have nowhere near the potency that we have, either first choice or in reserve.
It’ll be a Celtic win, but maybe not as straightforward as some think.
HH
TRADITIONALIST88 on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:18 PM
Er we also dominate possession. That’s something they won’t have faced before either. So it comes down to who is better able to exploit what possession they do have, and is better at killing teams off. Us.
Someone (canne remember your name, sorry) requested a link to a Younghun YouTube channel.
Fill your boots
https://youtu.be/l0_8ba9brtM
vfr800a8 on 9th September 2016 2:13 pm
Fair points, but we did give Aberdeen too much of a look in in recent times and can’t be doing that again, it is our route into the CL after all!
HH
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EuroChamps67..
You are on the 18th Putting for a Eagle to break the Course Record..
It’s 1:42pm..
You hear a Large Roar from the Clubhouse..
Do You..
A. Putt Out..
B. Look up to see What Colour Polo Tops the Aforementioned Roarers have on..
C. Run up to see the Replay on the Club large Screen..
Summa
weeminger on 9th September 2016 2:21 pm
Er, stating the obvious about us dominating possession.
A lot of people don’t realise this Sevco team do likewise, and surprisingly have done so in the few top flight matches they have played.
And I did say we would win btw, but there are people taking it for granted.
HH
TRADITIONALIST88 on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:25 PM
Worth bearing in mind our respective fixture lists too. It would not be wrong to say we now have a mcuh easier run of games, and could easily be 10 points and more clear of second by the end of the first round of games.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 9th September 2016 2:17 pm
VFR800A8
Lose on Saturday,no-one apart from us will give a damn about Tuesday.
Win on Tuesday,they’ll still be spouting their shite.
Win on Saturday,win handsomely,shut them up.
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I agree with you; but those aren’t footballing reasons; those are bragging rights and them thinking they are better than they are.
traditionalist88 on 9th September 2016 2:18 pm
Amidst all the talk about non football stuff, and whatever we know about them behind the scenes and their farcical setup, the new club come to Celtic Park as a team who dominate possession in most of their matches. This is something we don’t really face domestically, a team who average 55-65% possession in their games.
That said, they struggle to kill teams off, and going forward they have nowhere near the potency that we have, either first choice or in reserve.
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In our last 4 domestic games (need to use that because they have never been in Europe) we have had 63%, 68%, 65% and 52% possession – an average of 62%.
This possession has been against our closest challengers from last season, not relegation cannon fodder.
So we also dominate possession, but the difference is that we DO kill teams off (witness Hearts, St Johnstone and Aberdeen).
nofear CSC
FAC the Act
KTF
OK who will support Glasgow Celtic by pledging £3 per goal for every goal we score against … eh… um … Sebastion Coe, I mean Sevco, or the Rangers, or the Texas Rangers or the Mighty Power Rangers, or Lazarus & Co or whatever they are called?
Come on support the homeless, the Celtic Charity Foundation and bams like me who are going to sleep out in the wet and the cold on 12th November for a good cause.
Donate your money here: https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/jamesmcginley2
Anyone caught wildly celebrating but not donating after the 4th goal will be named and shamed in the Celtic View and their weans will get a Sports Direct Royal Blue Freebie shirt for Christmas whether they want one or not!!
HH
BRTH
Before anyone else tells me we’re better going forward, can I just point out that in my post about Sevco and their decent possession stats, I did also say the following:
‘ That said, they struggle to kill teams off, and going forward they have nowhere near the potency that we have, either first choice or in reserve.’
HH
This is a myth.
Sevco, have just been promoted.
Look at the difference in quality ffs.
If our players cant beat a mob of cloggers….they should chuck it.
We have the talent, we have the momentum…..Rogic, Roberts, Dembele/Griff, Sinclair.
If the Sevconians can come to Celtic Park and cuff us….I will be amazed.
We owe this mob of chancers a severe mauling.
If they beat us…..it will only show, that we are not good enough.
Its about what we do, we go at them, test them….see how they cope.
I say we have too much for them.
Cmon maul the zombies.
HH
BRTH posted earlier on another thread so I will say again, Hamilton Tim got a pony from me this morning so I’ll do you £5 per goal and a cockle for 0-0 (which I can’t see happening)!
FAC the Act
KTF
vfr800a8 on 9th September 2016 2:28 pm
Yep, I know we also dominate possession domestically.
I thought that went without saying, but apparently not!
My point is we rarely face an opponent who is capable of doing likewise.
Overall we remain miles better, and that is why WE WILL WIN!
HH
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Just been Talking to Jinky’s Daughter the New Docu on Jimmy (Who is Played by His Grandson) will be Aired on Alba on the 30th of September .. The Family have a Private screening on the 19th..
I’ve seen some Screen shots and it looks great.. About his Early life including Dating Aggie whilst signing for Celtic..
Summa of LordOfTheWingCSC
Neganon2
My favourite panto is Aladdin, and last year, believe it or not, a Genie appeared just as I was making my way into Buchanan St car park after the show.
He offered me one wish.
“Thought it wis 3?” I said.
“Austerity, mate!” he replied.
I took out my phone, went on to google maps, and said: “I wish there was peace over there in the Middle East”
He looked at the map of the area.
“Come on, mate” he groaned. ” There’s religious strife, wars over land, hundreds of peace treaties brokered then broken, Super Powers getting involved, and it’s been goin’ on for thousands of years.
I’m good, but ,come on, have another go!”
“OK, I’m a Celtic supporter. I wish Celtic could compete on a level playing field, where referees adjudicate based on the laws of the game, not personal bias, where the authorities govern in the interests of all clubs and not just ones that play at Ibrox, where the SMSM don’t print negative Celtic stories all the time, and where the truth is told about Sevco”
The Genie sighed, and said : ” Gie’s a look at that feckin’ map!”.
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Although I have Mentioned I fancy Dembelle to Score a Couple or More Tomorrow..
It remains to be Seen if He will Start..
The Same can be said of Rogic.. But where He might excell is Hitting them from Outside the Box.. Especially if the Park the Bus..
Summa
I joined this blog in 2009. I’d been telling my-many-hun pals in Kilwinning how much they were in deep sticky smelly stuff for about five years before that.
There he goes, off on one again, I honestley don’t think he knows he’s doing it”
Ah well, I’m off to The Brazen, have a great day all and HH
:))
SUMMA OF SAMMI
Im sort of thinking, a ‘Storming of the Bastille’ approach tomorrow.
No heads on pikes, but the football equivalent:)
Come on.
HH
SOUTHSIDE…
This one….
https://twitter.com/celticbible/status/773495045072809984
Tomorrow is our first ever league game against our new noisy neighbours. A chance to keep our 100% record going. To go into a bigger game on a high. And a chance to show them just how far behind the champions they actually are.
I’m thinking of this in the same way as pretty much any any other game against an SPFL side. We will win, hopefully by a few goals. A stylish attacking performance and a clean sheet would be great too. And no new injuries of course.
We’ve already beaten the teams that finished second, third and fourth last season. A newly promoted new club should pose us with less of a challenge.
Celtic Minded running a thread that the huns are paying loans from their ST money again….
I don’t care what “Rangers” fans think their Frankenstein club is, but I do care that the SFA and SPFL go along with their same-club delusion.
That’s why it’s important.
Just how long and often has quonno preached that Duff and Phelps, for whatever reason, allowed themselves to be the the real villains of piece.
BRTH,
I’ll match VFR’s pledge of a fiver per goal and “a cockle” in the incredibly unlikely event of a 0-0.
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Monthehoops let’s just zap the zombies !
If Griff is out, then hopefully DemBhoy will be the hero by banging in a few ? If Griff missing I and we still win, how sweet it would be to zap those inbred redneck zombies without our top scorer !
Go to it Celts,…..UNLEASH HELL !
http://www.thesportbible.com/football/news-why-dortmund-fans-are-boycotting-first-game-of-season-20160909
This is what we should do for the game scheduled on 31st December against the new club…In reference to the years of cheating to their former club who cheated …..and almost destroyed Scottish Football
!!BADA BING!!
Many thanks – brilliant!
To all buns I say about their new club:
You can hide from the truth. But you can’t hide from Celtic.
traditionalist88 on 9th September 2016 2:35 pm
vfr800a8 on 9th September 2016 2:28 p
Yep, I know we also dominate possession domestically.
I thought that went without saying, but apparently not!
My point is we rarely face an opponent who is capable of doing likewise.
Overall we remain miles better, and that is why WE WILL WIN!
HH
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Aberdeen, Hearts and St Johstone all have an average of mid-50’s in terms of possession when they are not playing against us so we are used to coming up against high-possession stat teams domestically. Zombie FC are in a similar vein but have been playing lower rated opponents. They are in a false position and that will be made evident tomorrow.
FAC the Act
KTF
The biggest potential story could be the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth by by all the OF hypesters should tomorrow’s game be an incident free (on and off the field) damp squib.
I hope our dressing room is not as over confident as the blog – Rangers are not as bad as many make out – they played us off the park last time round with young players. They are a new team and have dangerous players who can hurt us. At the same time our defense is not exactly rock solid. If we play to our potential , our speed and power should be enough – we also have players who are new to this fixture. never a gimme and we certainly can’t be complacent.
7-1
vfr800a8 on 9th September 2016 3:06 pm
Aberdeen, St Johnstone, Hearts, good sides – 50-55%, all well and good, theres only two teams on the pitch, someone is likely to see more of the ball!!!
Sevco have had 59%, 56%, 61% and 63% in their 4 matches. A step up from anything else to be fair. And an alarming amount of possession against us in the semi final.
We will win, but not taking it for granted we won’t.
HH
STEBHOY on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 3:12 PM
I hope our dressing room is not as over confident as the blog – Rangers are not as bad as many make out – they played us off the park last time round with young players. They are a new team and have dangerous players who can hurt us. At the same time our defense is not exactly rock solid. If we play to our potential , our speed and power should be enough – we also have players who are new to this fixture. never a gimme and we certainly can’t be complacent.
7-1
A bit of sanity at last.
“Rangers are not as bad as many make out – they played us off the park last time round with young players.”
Stebhoy,
And replaced some of these young players with old players.
Maybe that’s where the confidence is coming from.
HH
EUROCHAMPS67 –
So according to your logic, I as a season ticket holder, should only be attending games against our nearest rivals for the league title. So that’s 2 games a season v Aberdeen if they are 2nd. Presumably if Aberdeen are then overtaken by Hearts, I get to see THEM now. Maybe I’ll get really lucky and 2nd place will change hands several times.
Seriously, all you people who keep telling us that you have chosen not to go to tomorrow’s game, fine. I get it. We get it rammed down our throats every day. But please don’t tell me I am validating Sevco or accepting cheating or whatever, by attending. I go to all home games and a handful of away games. I go to see Celtic, not the opposition.
Maybe that makes you a better person than the 50,000+ Celtic supporters who will be there tomorrow. I for one will just have to live with that.
PS. I just had a thought. Sevco ARE our closest challengers, for the time being anyway. How do I square that circle?
Mammy Daddy.
I wonder if the polis and SFA will get involved with a bit of match fixing at half time
Dont know if sevco did play us off the park.
Thats not how i saw it.
We should have tanked them in that game.
They were not that great ffs.
Lets not exaggerate here.
It was 2-2 after 90 mins….they beat us on pens, just.
If we took our chances, we would have won that day.
HH