Very pleased Peter Lawwell has opened up a bit today (in The Sun, I know…) on the workings of the club, I hope this is the start of a trend in more regular communication. If there’s logical explanations for Celtic’s actions, inactions, views and general strategy, we should be giving them far more often than we have.
On the club’s financial strategy, his comments were not far removed from yesterday’s blog, “if we take the club into £20m worth of debt, and [Champions League qualification] doesn’t happen, where does that leave us?
“For a Scottish club to owe that kind of money leads to trouble. You don’t have to look very far [Govan] to see the consequences [administration and/or liquidation]of people trying things which ‘might’ happen.”
We’re only a few years from that touchstone but the point still needs to be made.
On one point, there’s probably a bit of work to do: “You’ve got social media and the bloggers, posters and trolls who think they know what’s going on at the club. They don’t.
“They don’t have all the information. The reality is different from their perception and I need to deal with reality every day.”
Social media will never have all the information, but football clubs need to find out ways to harness what is still a new and emerging phenomenon. At the very least, they need to find ways to head off wildly inaccurate and damaging fantasies.
Everyone believes they deal with reality, not perception. I laugh when I see new posters here saying “I’ve no axe to grind, but…….” None of us believe we have an axe to grind, we all believe we bring reality to the debate.
Self-awareness in this respect is not part of the human condition. If people experience, see and read certain realities, perceptions consistent with those realities are perceived as reality.
The only way around this for the club is to ensure Celtic fans have access to sufficient verifiable realities to offset perceived realities. Let’s keep the verifiable realities coming, soon if possible.
Really hope Leigh is playing tonight, and he gets his 40th goal. It would be a fitting achievement for a thorough professional – who never lets an opportunity to show Celtic fans how genuine his delight to be here is.
There’s a Football Forum at The Iron Horse pub, West Nile St, tomorrow [Thursday] from 18:30 until 21:00. Three authors will talk about football within Scottish society.
Our own Alex Gordon, author or Winds of Change, Caesar & the Assassin, A Bhoy called Bertie, Celtic the Awakening and more, “will provide stories of and insights into the integrity of the Scottish football press and media”. Alex is a former editor of the Sunday Mail, so this one should be interesting.
Sandy Jamieson, author of Celtic Submari: a new model for football relationships, among others, will also be speaking. The third panelist is Alan Ness, author of the football novel, A Man’s Game.
There’s a £5 (to Dogs Trust charity or discount off a book) charge at the door, no tickets in advance. Introduce yourself to Alex, if you’re there.
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Annan of course, wouldn’t compete with the senior clubs for local talent-
-but of course Annan scores very, very highly on the intelligence, wit, altruism and stunning attractiveness of her sons and daughters.
Hopefully see some of the young guns getting a runout tonight.
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 11th May 2016 5:13 pm
You keep saying the Jewish people are originally from Egypt. What is your source for this?
Also, where do you think the “Palestinian” Arabs originated from?
I suppose “Arab” does provide a major clue…
Sorry to ask a fitba question but,
Is the Celtic game on the telly tonight?
Eurochamps67
JustgotmykoditoshowunlimitedlivefootballCSC
Sky 3 eurochamps
ernie lynch on 11th May 2016 5:47 pm
No, there’s nothing I can do about that. We can’t change it.
So what do you want to do about the fact Israel exists?
Annan other thing… modesty.
Although I’ve never been a fan of Peter Lawwell’s I’ve always genuinely admired his PR when giving personal interviews. Today’s effort just strikes a bum note, and not just because it was in the currant bun. Sounded like a guy that’s lost his edge and it isn’t coming back. In all seriousness he should take Auldheid’s advice. He’s done his time in the firing line.
P67 or WINNING CAPTAINS
IF you happen to be lurking On a more mundane matter. I have installed a new firewall on my lap top and it is calling into question the website’s security certificate (1) not issued by a trusted cerificate authority and (2) the security certificate presented by this website was issued for a different website’s address. If you get a minute could you clarify please. Thanks. HH
TBB,
Thank you, as ever. I wasn’t referring to the league issue, I was thinking about being thrown out of the Scottish Cup for a typo. Aren’t we due a beer?
DAMO LENNON on 11TH MAY 2016 5:54 PM
‘No, there’s nothing I can do about that. We can’t change it.’
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What a curious thing to say about something that has existed for only a few decades.
I think the first thing to be done is to understand how and why the state of Israel came to exist. Then take it from there.
Muscat_Bhoy1264 on 11th May 2016 4:49 pm
I know it’s controversial, but I reckon we could have got Robbie Keane at Celtic a few years ago instead of signing about 5 players for upwards of 15 million.
*we had Robbie on loan and I doubt he would come back after buggeraff was allowed tae kick scheidt out of him for the whole game, bet he widnae have done that tae Robbie’s namesake.
EUROCHAMPS67 on 11TH MAY 2016 5:52 PM
Sorry to ask a fitba question but,
Is the Celtic game on the telly tonight?
7:30 your time CTV no sure about other channels if your in britland -))
McLean fastrack to the Scottish Cup Final
Rubicon
Got you.
And yip. We are.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Blatant…
sevco should haud ontae their money and dispense of level 5, cqn’rs are doing the job for free.
td67isokcsc
Celtic face St.Johnstone in the most untalked about SPL game since the last time Peter Lawell made a statement just before the last most untalked about game in the SPL.
After several letters to Celtic via JP Taylor, to which I have received timeous replies, I feel more reassured re our club’s attitude to
The same club myth
The liquidation of Rangers in 2012
Resolution 12
Parent and Child season books.
No comment was made on enquiries of SFA corruption/incompetence.
I was also given permission to share these stated positions with like minded supporters.
So anyone wishing to hear these views can at the pre match Gazebo on Sunday.
Suffice to say I am more likely to renew my season ticket now than I was last week.
Eurochamps67
STARRY
Both the handball and the promotion.
Paul i disagree with your assessment of PL interview. He is coming out making statements without actually saying anything. There are a few critical items at the forefront of the fans minds, all relating to misinformation and misrepresentation of facts with regards to Res 12, LNS verdict, and the performance and silence of refereeing in this country.
Why doesn’t he at least acknowledge these? If we he fans, shareholders and paying customers are wrong regarding the facts – why doesn’t he give us the facts – whats the secret?
Finally, he is the chairman of the club – his vehicle to the fans is surely through celtic view or celticFC. If not , surely a more credible print!
I think he has done a reasonable job at Celtic, however his relationship with the customer is an F minus!
Scott Allan and Ryan Christie supposedly starting…hopefully in their prefared positions!
Haven’t looked back and apologies if already posted.
If the various TV channels continue to refuse to discuss matters contained in the Offshore Tax Report perhaps we could use the Hun tactic of bombarding the respectve complaints department.
ITV PHONE NO : 9.00am until 7.00pm. MON-FRI. 0844 409 6850
http://www.itv.com or write : Viewer Services,
Gas Street
BIRMINGHAM. B1 2JT
BBC PHONE 03700 100 222
BBC Complaints
PO Box 1922
DARLINGTON. DL3 0UR
For supporters in Ireland – though RTE could claim that it is an external affairs matter. RTE ( sorry no fadas on this thing)
RTE Complaints Officer
Admin Building – 3rd floor
RTE
Donnybrook
BAC 4
http://www.complaints@rte.ie
Whats wrong with going £50m in debt.
If we win trophy’s that’s all that matters
Do the 10
Then go backrupt.
Liquidate.
Keep the trophies.
Start again
Same club.
Its a hugely successful business model
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Exactamente…a fisting from the blackside
BT thanks
Rubicon, TBB, what you doing post match on Sunday?
Oh just realised if you were at the airport this morning……
Eurochamps67
ernie lynch on 11th May 2016 6:00 pm
So you think we can change history because it was “only a few decades ago?” Now THAT is a curious thing to say.
We cannot go back in time and change what happened in the late 1940’s, or the 1960’s, or the events of whatever time period you want to blame Israel for. We can only deal with the situation as it stands.
Now Israel exists whether you like it or not. What do you think should be done about it?
And btw re Spartans, their problem with paperwork pops up periodically.
2008 in a Scottish Cup tie v Elgin, where both teams fielded an ineligible player, resulting in the tie being replayed.
2011 v Culter when Keith McLeod had only signed his contract in one place, rather than two, resulting in Spartans being papped oot for fielding an imperfectly registered player.
And last year in the Lowland League Cup, when they put their goalie coach on the bench as a trialist, trialists not being permitted to play in cup ties, and got papped oot again.
It comes with the rations when the clubs are run by volunteers. Mistakes happen because the real job always takes precedence and stuff gets overlooked.
The amateurs get hammered with expulsions for their errors. Senior sides get points deductions. Others, who have the resources and the professional expertise, get told off for ther imperfections…
EC67
Unlikley to make it in time for the gazebo prematch on Sunday, but defo taking beers post match.
Eurochamps67,
How are my friend? I’m going to organise a game soon, will be in touch.
In the meantime, you have me at a disadvantage. Until I know Celtic’s view, I’m not renewing my two seats in the ‘shawls’ as my late friend, George Payne, called the posh seats. Will look you up in the Gazebo on Sunday.
DAMO LENNON on 11TH MAY 2016 6:14 PM
If we can’t change a situation for no other reason than because the situation currently exists then the very concept of change becomes redundant.
You should really to acquaint yourself with the basic principles of logic.
Ellbhoy,
So the fact that two extremist sects operate identically the one you defend is not in your opinion as extreme, invented Zionist propaganda is your only retort to any discussion and when it fails you run away with feigned outrage, party over, you exemplify my argument, there is no talking to extremists.
Damo…,
In fact they are recognised by both turkey and “Israel” who both trade with them.
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KevJ
Still Time To Summon Marco Tae Be Oor “Annointed Yin”..
Oh! For The LACK OF AN IRISH PASSPORT…
A Kingdom Was Lost…!
See How He Turned Motherwell Around When He Took Over…?
He Got Them Playing Like Leicester Last Season…
When They Won Their Last Seven Games To Avoid Relegation…
We Can See Him Having The Mothers Playin’ Like This Season’s Leicester Tornados…
Come August….
You Can See He Is Building A Team That Plays For Each Other…
Sound Defense,Attacks Oan The Break..
We Predict The Motivated Mothers Will Pick Up The Bulk O’ The Points Agin’ The Hoops.
After All…BAR Fat Lasley….
They Hiv A Spine O’ Celtic Legends..
An’ Some Smart Young Players We Will Clamour Tae Sign…
Efter Strippin’ The Poor Auld Tangerines…
Tae The ‘Bare Bones’…
Right..!
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PS. Apologies,Granny Coyle..!
It Should Hiv Been “Tongue O’ Michelle Mone”….
Rather Than “Sting O’ Michelle Mone”..
In Yesterday’s Spell..
Doh!
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Allan,Izzaguire,Christie and Johansen start-according to Gerry Braiden.
No young players.
Doesn’t Alex Thomson, Channel 4 reporter, have desire to conclude his earlier findings! surely the recent tax analysis/report is the ending of what he started. Anyone know why he isn’t taking this on?
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Canamalar
Jings..! Crivvens..! St.Mungo’s Big Left Toe..!
It’s No “Celtic Quick News” Oan Here The Dae…
It’s “HASBARA QUICK NEWS”,So It Is!
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Captain Beefheart on 11th May 2016
12:45 pm
Ell bhoy, Gerry bhoy, Damo Lennon and others, thanks for the balance and decency displayed earlier. What a welcome contrast to the usual hatred and bile.
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Clearly,”Hasbara Central”..
Hiz Mobilized Their Re-Inforcements…
Tae Come Tae The Aid O’ Their Twa Beleaguered “Dad’s Army” Operatives Oan CQN….
Ol’ DBBIA Fae ‘Occupied Nirvana’..
An’ The Only Zionist Pig-Fermer In The WHOLE O’ SICILY..!
Meanwhile…Ol’ SFTB Hiz Gone Undergroond…?
Hmmmm….Ruby! Ruby!
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tonydonnelly67 on 11th May 2016 3:45 pm
Tony,
I don’t see everything as black and white as you do.
You ask who I am and if I have a title? No i don’t have a title other than Mr and have been known to answer to arse or whatever friendly invective comes my way.
My view is of no greater importance than anyone else’s – Celtic fan or not, shareholder or not , season ticket holder or not.
Nor is it the case that I don’t like the board – I don’t know them! I do disagree with some of what they do and given that this is no more than a blog – one of many in Celtic cyberspace – I offer my opinion to be agreed with or just rubbished as you choose.
I try not to give perosnal offence and will apologise immediately if I inadvertantly do.
My comments about the addressing of the bloggers are not meant to be snidey at all – I merely point out that in my opinion the whole thing was sone the wrong way round. I will also say that a few days before that meeting I recommended to someone in authority at Celtic park that the PR would be improved if Celtic got in various bloggers and gave them their place by allowing them direct access to stories coming from Celtic Park with an emphasis on the positive — Foundation, new manager, the movement on Res 12 etc.
What I didn’t expect and don’t understand is how you can brief people without fully agreeing the startegy first. That makes no sense to me and if we were all round a management table (which I frequently am) I would say the same thing openly and without either rancour or personal disagreement.
You can still disagree with someone’s stance or opinion on something and still like and respect them.
I would like the board to do some things differently. When that is the case I will say so. It doesn’t mean I dislike the people individually it is just that I don’t agree.
Re Res 12, I don’t think you will ever find a post from me which says that the board have never been on board or whatever, though a few weeks ago I did say we were at variance on how to get the whole thing to UEFA. That difference of opinion or appraoch was sorted round a table. We argued to and from in the most gentlemanly and light hearted but considered terms ( an argument being different to a fight ) and we came up with a solution.
That is one of the things I do — I am a member of the Association of Professional Mediators so where you have a disagreement always work towards what you agree on.
I have said many times I don’t believe we have the right structure for governing a football club but the PLC is the PLC.
I don’t agree with the idea of a fan on the board as I can see a conflict of interest there though I can also see the argument for supporters being able to nominate someone they trust to the board as long as they don’t expect that person to report back to them and so breach board confidentiality.
What I would prefer on that front is essentailly a membership scheme where supporters — season ticket holders, shareholders and general fans can “Buy in” to a single supporters Association who in turn have their own board of representatives and they in turn meet the PLC board on a regular basis to deal with supporter and indeed club issues.
This scheme works pretty well at Feyenoord for example.
I have no idea what any other people or group think about the idea as it is just my wee management brain that thinks this may well be an improvement on the current set up and way of doing things.
There is absolutely no reason why anyone should take any notice of my witterings at all.
However, as you raised the question about what my relationship with the board is and my view etc it is only fair I tell you what I think.
I don’t know Peter L or any other members of the board. You will know them better than me. I have dealings with the company secretary who I have a lot of time for as i know him to be a good guy – even when we disagree about something or we come at it from different angles or with different goals to achieve.
So, yes I criticise the board at times — I am not always right but nor are they.
One thing we do agree upon and I accept it totally — the board will not give a monkey’s uncle about what I have to say and I fully accept that.
But hey ya speak your mind and profer an opinion. Those who want to listen do and then agree or disagree. Those who don’t want to listen or whatever well that is their right.
Me? I just wander on hoping for a better Celtic in every way but I know I am not alone in that as everyone has their own view on what that means and entails.
HH
ernie lynch on 11th May 2016 6:20 pm
Ah, the old strawman, followed by the airy words of condescension in an attempt to give an impression of intellectualism.
I didn’t say we can’t change the situation (as you well know), I said we can’t change what happened. But well done on tearing apart what you’d like to think I said…
Now I’ll ask you again – what should be done about the fact that Israel does exist?