Earlier this year I wrote that the pyrotechnics problem was one of the free rider. There are reputational and Uefa fine costs to Celtic, but the perpetrators hide among a crowd, so encounter no costs. Celtic pay the fines, Celtic fans, as a group, carry the reputational damage, those who create the problem act with impunity.
Two who set flares in Istanbul have been identified and banned by the club. This ban will prevent them attending away fixtures in Europe for a considerable time, but it will not prevent them walking through turnstiles at Celtic Park, or some other Scottish grounds. Celtic have announced that they are considering their position and may raise a civil action to recover fines imposed –aligning consequences with actions.
Whenever I hear someone ‘considering their position’ I don’t expect them to act. Those who act tend to only provide advanced notice when legally obliged to do so. There is a flip side to this, however. If Celtic raise an action the issue is dead – it will not happen again. If Celtic don’t raise an action it may well happen again. Steps to hide identities will be improved, perhaps making it impossible to identify another offender. The stock defence of football clubs, “We’ve done everything we could”, will not wash.
It’s only 12 years since 80,000 Celtic fans went to Seville and didn’t so much as spill a drink. What chance that now?
When they were at their peak, 1.2million miners went down the pits in Britain. Before the pits, the population of Lanarkshire was a fraction of what it is now. They build railways in the late 19th century, allowing coal to be taken to the cities and ports, and people were drawn to places like Bellshill, Motherwell, Coatbridge and Wishaw.
This subsequent years saw the greatest migration from Ireland to Scotland, and an enormous migration from rural to urban Scotland. People came to Lanarkshire to work in the coal industry, and to Glasgow and other surrounding towns to work related industries, like shipping and heavy engineering.
The work was almost always dirty, often dangerous and inevitably poorly paid. Poverty and its associated diseases, including social diseases, were difficult to escape. Even today, the twin towns of Hamilton (a market town established for centuries) and Motherwell (a 19th century town established by the coal and steel industries) are separated by a significant gap in employment opportunities, property values and wealth. Physically they are only two miles apart, you can walk between them in minutes.
Football was the real opium of the masses. They worked five and a half days a week, on their half day they went to a game. Entrance was cheap, even the poor could attend, all boys could play, all men could talk a good game (it remained a predominantly male pastime for decades).
Coal, and its by-products: railways and heavy industry, shaped the industrial towns of Scotland, Wales and much of England. Without it, cricket would be our national game (it was once popular even in Scotland). You wouldn’t have Celtic.
Today the last miner will emerge from a British pit, in Kellingley, North Yorkshire. The pits around Lanarkshire are long gone, and there are few bings left. Jobs now are cleaner and safer, but we’ve lost a link to something Celtic fans value more than most, our heritage.
Speaking of which, get to Celtic Park before 13:00 tomorrow. Wallow in the abundant heritage that is Billy McNeill!
We’re shipping same day from CQN Bookstore, but there’s not long left before Christmas!
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That should read won’t tell our grandkids.
Forgot,,neganon great post
SFTB /Awe Naw …
There is frequently (including with lawyers) confusion over the difference between evidence and proof. And the meaning and application is fluid.
In short, proof is a much broader term, and includes everything that may be adduced for the purposes of winning a case/producing a conviction or acquittal, aside from mere argument. this would include a legal presumption (which I have described previously)
Evidence, however, is narrower and includes only such proof, usually of material facts, as may be legally presented.
Others have defined proof as the effect of evidence; that is, the establishment of a fact by evidence.
Under the latter, a party adduces evidence to prove a point. If unrebutted, and/or accepted by the trier of fact, that ‘evidence’ can become ‘proof’
I’m perhaps oversimplifying it, but to apply this to your issue, the ‘evidence’ that the Club has not rejected a claim that it was involved in the 5WA may, if unchallenged, be proof of same.
As such, I think you are both right in part, and both wrong in part.
Back to Schrodinger, again, I’m afraid.
I despise this whiny ‘Old Firm kak’ thrown at Celtic supporters, by Celtic supporters who should know better.
It’s levelled at our club on a daily basis on here, the truth of the matter is I’d wager there are more in numbers, who’ve ‘walked ‘ from CP because of Sevco rather those who’ll come back when Sevco join our league for the first time.
Paying into a now proven bent league is a much bigger turn off for Celtic fans than the thought of the Newco, the Hampdenese and beyond,
Good evening friends.
Mrs Baldie out with her pals from 7 and we have the return of the ole CQN Quiz at 9. A pretty perfect combination ;-)
The intervening period will feature Jobo doing his own ‘Aldi Beer Festival’. I’m looking forward to bottles of Perfect Storm, Golden Ratio, Birds & bees and the aptly named (almost) Caesar Augustus.
Still to work out what formation I’m going to go with ;-)
My wee da always loved watching “The Quiet man ” although for him it was a misnomer as he had watched it that many times he would recite the dialogue word for word as the film played out, we all knew to disappear before the fight scene :-).
Anyway just been reading back and honestly before I started I thought I wonder who has taken a sabbatical/flounced today, and it saddened me to see one of my favourite posters has gone, All I can say here is ,mate don’t let them beat you, you are stronger than all the trolls and please hurry back.
God bless Billy McNeil.
only nine more Lions needed “on the way “.
H.H
GM-VG
Good Evening Timland.
The snotters are blinding me.
Neganon2 must have watched Madam X before
he posted his latest opus,and Kevj was watching
The Quiet Man(my ole ma’s fav btw)looks like a
night of melancholy on cqn.
HT:
My passion is my nationality, I’m Scottish and proud, my passion is my culture, Gaelic and proud, my passion is my faith, my passion is compassion, my passion is the language I never bothered to learn to speak, shame on me, my passion is food for the poor, my passion is my family, both living and dead, both blood and my equal, regardless of colour or creed, my passion is tomorrow, my passion is the gift that my God gifted me in abundance, the ability to turn a sorrow into a smile, my passion is my brothers and sisters and they live in every city in the world and they don’t know me but when we meet we are not strangers, my passion is my tears for those who have burnt out their eyes and can no longer cry for themselves, my passion is life, my passion is my club. My passion is one; one, only ever one and always all, for all as one.
Don’t anybody dare parcel my passions in ribbons and bows, strip my passions bare, strip them to the very marrow and read the DNA it spells humanity. A humanity that I have been ever so fortunate to witness in the words and deeds of others and so many of them populate this place and what they have done for others goes with me, everywhere, safe and visited often in my heart. My passion is smiles over pain and sorrow.
I did not learn that, I did not buy that, I did not borrow that, it was gifted to me by my mum and dad, and all the good people I’ve been lucky enough to spend time with in my life, the vast, vast majority of whom just so happened to be Celtic Supporters. Reconcile that!!!
Such is my life and as the grave draws closer, life is too short to deny my passion for compassion and wrap myself in a green and white and orange scarf in doing so. That is my prerogative and it is a prerogative influenced and embraced dearly by my lifelong experiences of being a Celtic Supporter.
I just feel of late that Celtic, after bereavements, my harbour, is not the Celtic I was brought up to love; not any longer, they don’t seem to share my values and empathies anymore, values and empathies that were indicative of my clubs ethos, and I find that sad and so day by day, little by little I find myself drifting away to do things in isolation as opposed part of a global family.
Had four trips to the Post Office today, posting out Celtic books & DVDs to Celtic families all over the place.
After the fourth trip decided I’d earned a beer.
Looking forward to the quiz tonight and to the game tomorrow. We’re in the Kerrydale Suite pre-match with Tom Boyd and Yogi Hughes there to sign and dedicate copies of Caesar & The Assassin and/or The Winds of Change.
Scott Brown is doing the same for his book – again produced by CQN- over in the Superstore.
There’s still time to order online and we’ll get what you want to you before Christmas. That’s for UK addresses only at this stage.
And remember you get a free Larsson DVD when you order the wonderful WINDS OF CHANGE.
http://www.cqnbookstore.com
My Passions are for me and me only, however in no particular order,
My family.
My Team.
My love of the above.
Ah the good old days
Hitler, TB, Alistair Dewar, working doon t’pit, Seville, Old Firm.
God how I miss them!
Margaret McGill
Lets not forget Rickets and a good boot
in the erse…..ah happy day’s right enough!!!!!
Awe naw.
Never heard that one about the 1 2 3 and 4 before, and I couldn’t pick the tune out either (:- .
It was my first cup final against the long dead scum of Scottish football, and I can still see from my high vantage point a wee guy called George metaphorical raping a lumbering hun early in the second half and poking (ha ) the ball into the net for that number 4 .
Do we miss them? ????????
MISS Who? ??????
Anyway Awe Naw, cheers for that.
ah Celtic and European finals has now become a quantum text book problem discussed by many.
If i was a particle and you were a quantum potential would you let me penetrate your classical forbidden regions?
Mags
Still using the old Nerd joke book i see
keep it going mucker LOL
So how does a guy with no credit card no pay pal etc, join LMS?
Can you meet up in advance?
And how the Fek can I get any books from here? .
So I see the Griff has signed a 5 year thingamy, Good.
Hurry back all you flouncing folk
50 shades ….
not sure if your question is rhetorical or not? (my business partner is one such person who doesnt have a drivers license, bank card, etc… real old school … so I may be taking your question more seriously than you intended ….
However, if you are serious and you want to join LMS … I would be happy to make the payment through my Paypal on your behalf, and you can throw the money into the next collection outside CP.
Hey Mr mcgill if you reversed that ,would that mean you can go and ***k yourself .
If not can you just do it anyway? ??????????????.
UTLR
Mike in T .
Thank you very much my friend for the offer, however I will try to find the fabled CQN corner tomorrow first, I assure you my request was genuine.
Jobo. I have a feeling I know where the “corner ” is but please clarify for mate.
50shades
I am turning up at Paradise at 1pm tomorrow. For our greatest captain. Will then go to Kerrydale to see our other two captains Tom Boyd and Scott Brown where books will be on sale. The to the CQN corner to pay Jobo & CRC for LMS6. Looking like a wonderful day ahead. A good Celtic win to top it off.
50 Shades Of Green
I must have missed your email asking to join, apologies. If you can send an email now I’ll send out the first fixtures. Wouldn’t want you to be out before you’ve even started! Email to cqnpredictor@gmail.com please.
CQN Corner is outside the entrance to the pools office, just to the right of the Superstore. I’m missing the game tomorrow but CRC should be around to collect entry fees.
Jobo
!!Bada Bing!! on 18th December 2015 5:36 pm
A wee addition to Billy never getting tired of the attention.
I believe that it was Tommy Gemmell who said the thing that struck him most was the sheer amount of respect The Lions got from Celtic folk.
50 Shades … just saw your email …. already sent the payment through to LMS.. The more people that sign up, the more money I will win at the end! Seriously, glad to help a fellow tim.
Good luck on finding CQN corner … I couldn’t find it last time I was there …. think it is like Brigadoon. (although it could just be me …. my lack of sense of direction is legendary).
Play nice Timland and I hope the quiz goes well raging I’m missing it
catch you all later
HH
50 Shades –
given that Mike in Toronto has now paid your entry fee it’s even more important that you send an email so we can get the fixture list to you!
Jobo
Billy McNeill is quite simply the best we have had, living legend and Mr Celtic
Wasn’t Jinky, Murdy or Henke but he was our captain.
Looking forward to seeing Tony Watt tonight. Seems hes hit the ground running at Cardiff, so much so they’re talking about a permenant deal of between 500k to 1mil. Always rated the kid, perhaps he’s finally ready to knuckle down & screw the nut? For a smallish outlay, I reckon he’d be worth another punt?
This may have been said before on here, I really can’t remember, but if our club were a political party there is no doubt it would be called UKIP. I was going to say Tory party as our board is full of them but…………. they really don’t want us in Europe, so UKIP it is.
Quonno
I met John Clark and his lovely wife in Drymen two years ago. What a humble man. He chatted for 10 minutes and I thanked him for his Celtic career and Lisbon. He thanked me for the support of my type of fan. He loved playing for the supporters.
Sorry
He is our captain, legend of a man and so humble when you speak to him
Eddie
Haha vg.
You a bucketeer tomorrow?
Jobo
Brilliant job on the LMS thing, great fun and I know the time it must consume, well done to you and Marc.
Wee heads up, the post at 7.04, too much detail to put out on the www
Best done on email mate, I’ve suggested Paul take that one off. Sorry, not being cheeky, just experience. I’m sure whoever you intended it for got it and it can be safely removed.
HH
DELANEYS DUNKY on 18TH DECEMBER 2015 7:32 PM
Quonno
I met John Clark and his lovely wife in Drymen two years ago. What a humble man. He chatted for 10 minutes and I thanked him for his Celtic career and Lisbon. He thanked me for the support of my type of fan. He loved playing for the supporters.
These were simply guys from another, arguably better era.
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Fantastic 2 mins from Archie on Big Billy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35130550
Me. I am one of the lucky ones.
Got to watch Billy every week.
DD
Cheers amigo, I honestly think you would be one of the guys on here I would recognise (seen you on the box once ) and unfortunately Mrs Shades is working till 1.30 so I will miss the unveiling, but I missed the other ones and console myself that I pass by them every home game.
Anyway mate were Jamming. :-)
Mags should you not be out fixing those buses that run around Hillingdon & that side of city
which has broken down after all it’s got your surname handle on them instead of parking it
in here in D&G mode & I’m not referring to designer clothes/perfume here I’m referring to
prozac LC’s depressing music & razor blades & tablets get the picture all because some
folk believe that one should spend like there is no tomorrow & jeopardise ones long term
stability to try & make substantial inroads via passports control captured audiences & sneaky
hidden extra charges in Air travel fares but park the bus there is no guarantee that blowing
millions is the recipe for success just ask LVH @ Man U 250 million for what talking about
blowing millions I see that Russian Bridge has given the chosen one his P45 & rumour has
it he is bringing in GH as caretaker manager @ least until the end of this Season it’s going
to cost him another few billions to win the CL again that’s for sure Mr A must have an
establishment that’s making money a license to print success does not come easy more
like it comes @ a cost one way or another hail hail all & CYBIG Glasgow’s Green & White
Blantyrekev –
’twas a schoolboy error from a blogger under stress.
Taking an hours break to (ahem) refuel!