My attention was drawn to the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations (SCVO) blog yesterday, also covered by Joe O’Rourke on the Association site. SCVO Director of Pubic Affairs, John Downie, writes about the “proposed bill on sectarianism” but seems to get muddled in his role as a director of SCVO and using SCVO resources to speak as a Rangers fan; in this instance blaming Catholic schools for sectarianism. How ironic.
Downie writes:
“We’ve previously seen Rangers fans outraged by Celtic goalie Artur Boric crossing himself during games but less bothered – obviously – by about our own players (like Vladimir Weiss last season) doing the same thing.”
“Our own players”! Is SCVO some closed shop where they talk about Artur Boruc as a “Celtic goalie” and Vladimi Weiss as one of our “own”?
So far, so disturbing, but Downie then uses the article to ride to the rescue with:
“The solution:
Personally, as someone who grew up in the East End of Glasgow and lives in the west of Scotland, I agree with some of what Conservative MSP John Lamont says. In my opinion one key causes of sectarianism is Scotland continuing to have separate denominational and non-denominational schools.”
So, if only we didn’t have Catholic schools, players like Artur Boruc and “our” Vladimir Weiss would be able to cross themselves free of harassment. Bizarrely, Downie’s article is subtitled “treating the symptoms not the causes”. I don’t think he was trying to suggest it’s best to treat the symptoms.
The cause of intolerance is not differences in ethnic, religious or sexuality, it is ignorant bigots. It is ludicrous to suggest tackling intolerance by assimilating people into some mono-culture. It’s downright dangerous to blame a minority for intolerance of, and by, them, a sentiment that will only fan the flames of hatred.
The European Examiner reports that various politicians have called for Mr Downie’s removal but SCVO chief exec, Martin Sime, apparently sees nothing wrong in SCVO running a blog discussing one of “our” Rangers players and the “Celtic goalie”, while simultaneously blaming educationally successful faith schools for sectarianism. SCVO has offered a metaphorical No Surrender to resignation calls.
A brief comment for those who don’t live in Scotland…. Attitudes like this once prevailed but are harder to find these days. We are a modern, progressive, society, for the most part.
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celticinthesun – There are still Christians killing peole just because they are gay.
Which Christian countries have the death penalty for gays? (thumbsup)
celticinthesun says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:26
In most schools, it all depends on the personal view of the teacher. In a Catholic school it doesn’t.
I know which viewpoint I’d rather my children were taught.
first stop on bigotry is to ban the Orangemen’s walks, which in Scotland seem to span about a month or more and not just their holy day
You have to laugh at people who say they would never force religion on their kids and then show you pictures of a baby in a football top.
Kids have lots of things forced on them by parents.
Religion is just one of them.
Parents are there to guide their kids. It’s up to them what they want to do. Going to church never harmed anybody I know of.
Religion is a good thing as far as I can see. If you follow the ten commandments you won’t go far wrong.
LB
Go raibh maith agat a Mort.
An bhfuil tú ag foghlaim leat?
Árd Macha
The Celtic app is now top of the Apple App Store Sports chart – even though it’s £2.30 more expensive than the Spurs one.
Árd Macha says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:40
Go raibh maith agat a Mort.
An bhfuil tú ag foghlaim leat?
Árd Macha
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I’l lname that tune in 9
BaggioRinaldi
Have you been called a Hun the obligatory 10 times yet? I believe that there is rumour of a Sashometer being used these days to identify hunfiltrators. CQN having tightened up on its immigration policy.
Oh by the way you’re a Hun.
:-)
I am entirely opposed to any faith being peddled in state funded schools as is the case in many countries France and the USA being 2 prominent examples. If people want a religous education for their children they should pay for it in full no tax hideyholes or charity loopholes. Would be interesting to see how many religous minded parents would pay the price.
The relevance of which countries have the death penalty for it is what?
Christians are killing people because it offends their church.
By the way Uganda is very close.
StMichaelsBhoy2
I need convincing !!
HAil Hail
TootingTim at 15:31
” … the most Rangers-minded-sounding Bhoy in history, goalkeeper Fraser Forster … “.
Je pense que non.
It’s Fraser Gerard Forster.
Livibhoy. Football teams are real, and harmless. Religion, not so much. Young brains are permanently damaged by too much cognitive dissonance.
I’d love a Cellick bounce game app – not that I’ve got an iPhone.
It’s just that gazebhoys like TBB, BSR,EC, and goldstar10, not forgettin’ ole Johnny Clash, who have all the latest gear could keep in touch with Cellick bounce games wherever and whenever they are played.
Any chance we will return to football any time soon?
Debates on religion are beyond pointless, some believe (my wife) and some don’t (including me), our kids go to a Catholic school but we only attend church for weddings, funerals and christenings. I would hope that one day my kids will appreciate my view on God but if they don’t I really couldn’t care less as I’m too old to change now.
Shrug shoulders and move on to Inverness at the weekend.
3-0 Celtic!!
celticinthesun – Christians are killing people because it offends their church.
Where are these Christian pogroms?
In your mind. (thumbsup)
Celtic_First says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:45
Fraser Gerard Forster born 17th March in our centenary year…
OmenCSC
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Hoops face midweek match with Dunfermline
By: Newsroom Staff on 10 Feb, 2012 15:21
CELTIC’S home league match with Dunfermline Athletic, which was originally scheduled for March 17, has now been moved to Wednesday, February 22 (KO: 7.45pm).
The fixture has been moved because Neil Lennon’s side will be playing in the League Cup final against Kilmarnock at Hampden on Sunday, March 18.
IbleaBhoy – I am entirely opposed to any faith being peddled in state funded schools as is the case in many countries France and the USA being 2 prominent examples. If people want a religous education for their children they should pay for it in full no tax hideyholes or charity loopholes. Would be interesting to see how many religous minded parents would pay the price.
They already pay their taxes.
If they choose to send their kids private, they pay again.
So you already have your answer.
BTW, charity isn’t a “loophole”. Education has long been held to be a charitable purpose. (thumbsup)
I am a practicing RC go to mass every week take the kids, as I dont see how it can be wrong for them to learn about a guy who went around trying to make the world a far better place.
If you dont believe then fine, but dont get on your high horse blaming everything on the Roman Catholic Church.
Human Beings are rotten, despicable horrible, barsturds. They dont need an excuse! So please, p1ss off and allow us who have faith in a greater good, to try and get through this life the best way we can.
Oh! You’ll All Burn In Hell! ;)
HH
cant believe these bigots keep trotting out this line, I have no religious beliefs and attended a non denominational school. has it made me sectarian towards catholics? NO
so how can they blame schooling for their own deep seated prejudices? we all know the answer
any truth in the rumour that Whytie bought 20 million lottery tickets with the Ticketus money, and won the equivalent of feck all ?+
IbleaBhoy says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:43
Catholics in Scotland have been there and done that.
My grandmother started her teaching career in a a Catholic school before they were absorbed into the state system. Some weeks she was paid and some weeks she wasn’t.
We’re not going back to that.
BaggioRinaldi – Severe reek of hunnery from you.
Welcome to CQN.
Celtic_First
No probs.
HH
Philvis – “Here is my frowny face to prove it:
>:-( ”
I imagined you taller.
Anyway…back to the fitba..
I thought Wayne Biggins never really got a chance to shine at Celtic.
Just in and trying to read back the religious debate. My head’s beginning to hurt.
bunburybhoy
To many suspensions
SonsOfErin – Nope, I pretty much look like Wilson from “Cast Away”. (thumbsup)
Can we talk about
In order of preference
1 Football
2 The demise of the Huns
3 Ice Cream and Jelly
4 Poppies
5 Reb Songs
Anything but fecking religion.
Father Ted
“It’s fabulous being a priest – think of all that comfort you bring to the sick and dying. They love it, they can’t get enough of it!”
“Fascists dress in black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests”
“God, Ted, I heard about those cults. Everyone dressing in black and saying our Lord’s gonna come back and judge us all!”
Philvis
Are you denying this is happening? Does the Christian anti-gay sentiment have to be more extreme before you admit it is as shameful?
It sounds like religious whataboutery.
Has the religion in schools debate highlighted a degree of cognitive dissonance in your mind?
Quizzler says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:45
Football teams in Scotland are harmless? Really?
I’ll have what you are drinking.
People in this country see a Celtic top and think fenian. It’s that simple. Speak to some Jambo’s. They are getting worse than Rangers. I have to work and live beside them. They hate us with a passion. I will still be out in the Hoops tomorrow because I don’t give a F**K!
LB
celticinthesun – It sounds like religious whataboutery.
Yep, that’s what I was thinking about you.
Has the religion in schools debate highlighted a degree of cognitive dissonance in your mind?
Blame Catholic schools for letting me easily best you in debate. (thumbsup)
Paul67 says:
10 February, 2012 at 12:51
Thanks Paul, I’m sure when I went to buy it at the start of your new article , I was quoted £7.50, but I see now it has changed to a single payment.
Mag ordered, thanks.
HH
philvisreturns: 10 February, 2012 at 15:47
“celticinthesun – Christians are killing people because it offends their church.
“Where are these Christian pogroms?”
As I’ve said to you before – it’s like the Crusades never happened.
ernie lynch says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:52
IbleaBhoy says:
10 February, 2012 at 15:43
Catholics in Scotland have been there and done that.
My grandmother started her teaching career in a a Catholic school before they were absorbed into the state system. Some weeks she was paid and some weeks she wasn’t.
We’re not going back to that.
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Did your granny play with Hearts. Or was she at school.with Old Wearie
the only God I’m interested in, is the “Generation Of Domination”
we’re in that now,right?
UC