Yesterday’s SPFL EGM resolution was rejected, as expected. Those still hurting about relegation, or missing out on promotion, voted in favour. Some historical allegiances stood firm. My maternal grandfather took me to my first Celtic game. He died when I was four, so memories are few, but for some reason I remember him going on about Falkirk and Airdrie. 49 years ago but some allegiances survive through generations and liquidations.
Aberdeen’s new chairman Dave Cormack tried a power play. In December, his predecessor Stewart Milne, publicly expressed concerns that Celtic’s chief executive, Peter Lawwell, “has too much power in Scottish football”, which translates into ‘more clubs listen to Peter Lawwell than me and I would like to change that.”
The whole world would like to be taken more seriously than Peter Lawwell, but overtly campaigning for this is counter-productive. Each club in the SPFL has a single vote among 41 others. Celtic are not represented on the board. Whatever authority Peter Lawwell has, is earned through respect for his actions – and even then, decisions do not always go his way, no matter what paranoid loons tell you. Milne never attained the levels he aspired to and Cormack has made an uninspiring start. If other clubs listen when Peter Lawwell speaks, maybe Stewart Milne should have wondered why?
The vote went against Newco, Hearts, Falkirk, Airdrie, a few like-minded types and those who for various reasons missed out. Regime change was and remains the objective of some. Churchill would call this the Phoney War, to determine who has their hands on the levers of power ahead of the really important campaigns ahead.
Forget about “trust issues”, reconstruction and legal action; the spectre of insolvency looms across Scotland. Every club needs to sell their usual quantity of season tickets, cut costs and find reserves from somewhere – including Celtic. Those who do, have a chance of getting through this, but the numbers just don’t add up for most.
Many in the industry will lose their jobs this summer, including hundreds of footballers. What then will we hear from Cormack, Budge, Park, Lawwell? Those with influence will determine what football looks like in the future and there will be many battles ahead. Everything is at stake.
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Auldheid, as ever you force us to face the truth. I have, until now, grudgingly accepted the Celtic Board’s connivance in allowing Sevco to pretend to be the deid team. After the latest nonsense, I feel they need to come clean. People like Park are pandering to the scum element of their support. They are now threatening to burn down other teams’ stadia (and I wouldn’t put it past some of them; look at the treatment they meted out to Neil Lennon.) Where will they stop to get their way?
Please, Celtic speak out now before any further damage is done.
What would be the downside of a mea culpa from the Celtic board saying they were wrong or misled when the Huns were allowed to go on their “journey?”
We made an error in judgement in their case because we believed it was for the good of the game in Scotland.
However, recent events have shown that the Govan Ghouls have not learned their lesson and we will oppose any future UEFA licensing until they produce audited accounts displaying their viability and compliance with UEFA and SFA rules.
Would we lose fans? Would we lose respect from our peers?
Aye. We can dream.
When I saw mentions of Gavin Rae, I thought it was the formless ghost on Clyde.
Formless humph. GORMLESS
Smoky …whats the chances they are aware of the Spanish -Portugese war against superior Napoleonic forces…..and that the Spanish word guerrilla is the diminutive form of guerra …..WAR …
smiley letters on a postcard to Blue Peter special needs thing
Braw
Planet of the (P)apes: 😂😂😂😂
“The club need to continue the fightback. I like the idea of a ‘dark-arts department.’ A full out smear campaign against them. We should start by officially banning them from Ibrox, and that includes their board. No respect; nothing.
we should start and fund a gorilla war against them.”
There must be a gas leak somewhere in Govan. 🤪
HS,
You beat me to it. 👍🏻
Holy shi * monaghan, that’s more bonkers than normal
Monaghan
I’m picking up that they don’t like us much – what happened to their open to all initiative – their Catholic players must feel welcomed
If anyone from Monkey High Command is tuning in could you extend your bhoycot of football clubs who aren’t scared of you to Largs Thistle. I know they aren’t in your league yet but by the way it’s looking you are “coming” .
It’s bad enough having you mob in town without being followed by the 1690 brigade.
Who is Gavin Rae ?
ah Nuestadt, Don’t spoil it if they want a Gorilla war then bring it on,
Where on earth would you get more laughs than at the dark side Media.
They have given us legneds, Escaped Goats & now Gorilla War.
The Gift that keeps giving.
Monaghan
Fek that…. I’m no taking on a gorilla :O(
AULDHEID @ 6.42
Great post, as ever.
We both stand on the sound premise that Celtic must have ‘accepted’ a new Rainjurz in 2012, and I bow to you superior knowledge of any five way agreement, or its minutae. I’m not convinced we’ve reached the ‘piss or get off the pot’ point in history, there may be more dumping points than mere Inquirygate, especially now that the world, never mind football has changed whilst we slept.
Celtic’s statement yesterday might have prompted your post and it did reek of a ‘five way agreement level of cringeworthyness,’ carefully crafted, totally but unnecessary in a world where even Maryhill Juniors have more tweetery than Statement FC.
The conspiracies to prevent anybody but Celtic in whatever umpteen in a row, with a backdrop of a pandemic, was launched when UEFA announced the guidelines to what happens next in a row.
Whether you’re in E.K. or Espania, stay safe
HWG TIAR
Aberdeen, with their new stadium and being a one club city, should be positioning themselves to be the second biggest club in Scotland as soon as Sevco bite the dust
aye Corky yer right…
smiley we need a proper list thing
Braw
perpetual light would bounce aff them ….
auldheid
Don’t know about Celtic and reconciliation, but one thing is for sure…
RIFC are heading for perdition.
here is something else one Hun has never discussed with another …
smiley where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information? thing
Braw
Despite their molten hot rage about the SPFL, Sevco have nowhere to run. They can’t even apply for a place in the English Conference League South as they don’t do Woking away!
A gullabilly suggested a breakaway league! with Linfield, Stranraer, ICT and unidentified Welsh clubs ( for some reason )
Even Spew Keevans laughed out loud
NB
Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit and wisdom is knowing not to use it in a fruit salad.
Or in other words good old British common sense 🤗
Gene….
smiley our resident 3 star chef has guaranteed put succulent ,sweet Kirschen tomaten in said Obst Salat thing
Braw
hope your doing brawily …
Gorilla War
Scum jubilant at the Stranraer statement.Their chairman, Mr Niven,attended “The Loving Cup”ceremony at Ibrox this season.
One befuddled scumbag,was saying”If Stranraer want to take this further,WE could back THEM up”
Another”Maybe the beginning of a Class Action”
Oh,they brighten up my lockdown.
A view on Donald
https://twitter.com/jimmykimmel/status/1260095521189847040?s=09
HH
hahahahhahahahahaha
Braw
Much appreciated Coneybhoy, Safari sorted with Java, simple if you know how :) HH
Better than Orangina
Hot Smoked from earlier
Would be interesting to get a name – King Crimson had a few line ups over the years but they were all too notch musicians. Still working- saw them in Glasgow two years ago and it was up there with one of the best gigs I have ever been to.
Cheers
Big Rab Douglas contrasting Gardiner nd McKinnon
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/rab-douglas/1319267/rab-douglas-scot-gardiner-dave-mackinnon-dundee-fc-inverness/
HH
sevco release new single for their staunch followers:
https://youtu.be/9JDzlhW3XTM
GREENPINATA on 13TH MAY 2020 7:17 PM
Gene,
I don’t necessarily disagree with you and as always admire Auldhied’s tenacity. However:-
We are currently sailing through perilous uncharted waters and our support needs to stay united with the club.
” Confession may be good for the soul, but it is bad for the reputation. ”
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I took account of the “now” in my post if you re read it. It asked for a commitment to reform later and in fact ties in with what McLellan is reported as saying after the vote in terms of revisiting the issue of governance.
If you reputation among your own support is of being untrustworthy, is that worth protecting?
If its seen as being willing to admit to past errors and explain the thinking and circumstances in the interests of what looks more and more like a new world being born, is standing for the truth not a reputation to seek ?
“From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”
ourselves alone
So Celtic say “The king WAS in the altogether” and we helped cover the fact up.
What part of that story will the media run with… Let me think???
To hell with them publish and be damned.
Hail Hail.
There is troll who turns up on SFM every so often and ….. well see for yourselves what he attempts. The main reason for re-posting is that in responding to him the subject of reconciliation and its dependence on the truth appears. A bit long but hopefully informative:
Auldheid 12th May 2020 at 20:33
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reasonablechap 12th May 2020 at 08:17 Edit
We have reached a dark place at a particularly difficult and challenging time. The game needs to ensure it has the best possible governmental structure and individuals in place going forward.
The ongoing omnishambles at the SPFL has found that same authroity badly wanting at a crucial time. Why would you trust them in the stormy waters ahead?
We need an Independent Inquiry to shine a light on all pertinent areas so whatever governmental faults, individual responsibilities, etc. that are found, can be addressed with an eye on the future.
The SPFL mistakenly conflated issues within the resolution (infamous Good Friday Vote). Now I see this messageboard looking to conflate their resolution 12 campaign onto the current problems. I’d call the latter, tribal whataboutery.
By all means pursue whatever issues you want but this is seperate matter that needs immediate attention to give us a chance to future proof the game at a time of a real existential threat to Scottish fitbaw.
Any talk of …but this should of happened 8 years ago and we wouldn’t have been in this mess is predictable but of no material use to the current situation, however you twist it.
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Auldheid responds:
You can call it all you like, but the case for including past governance issues has already been well made by others, but for someone steeped in a culture of whataboutery, everything is whataboutery.
It has to be because whataboutery, stops investigation of wrong doing by self, its always the other mobs fault never your own.
On Res12 and LNS sham, shareholders of Celtic have found wrongdoing by Celtic themselves because of their involvement in the 5 Way Agreement that took jurisdiction of matters under the 5 Way away from the SFA to CAS.
Yet Celtic insisted shareholders stick with the SFA judicial process. That was the basis of the most recent resolution to take the matter, where all the evidence points to a licence gained under false pretence to UEFA, yet Celtic insisted it be left with a process rendered functus by a clause they were aware of in the 5 Way Agreement when Res12 first tabled, but refused to press SFA for answers. Poor governance? You bet your life and unlike the current issue all of it backed by evidence meaning more chance of winning the vote just lost, so perfectly valid just from a practical view to raise on SFM and consistent with its pursuit of proper governance.
It is not that covering all bases is of no use to the current situation, it is that the current situation (had it been been supported by majority of clubs) is of no use to the consistent aim of SFM of SFA/SPFL reform if its scope is limited at the start to the current situation that has no evidence to support it.
It would have been useful and more convincing in arguing the case had TRFC, having said it was about proper governace had set out all the documented instances that support an investigation rather than WhatApp conversations.
That trick of limiting scope is one those responsible for governace have been employing from 2012 and you think it appropriate to settle future matters that have been unsettled from 2011 because of limitations set then? Its like putting an elastoplast on a gangrene leg wound and wondering a week later what the smell is.
There seems to have been some commitment by Mclellan to look at the issues around the latest item of poor governace (assuming there is an SPFL left to do it) and I hear the word reconciliation now being touted about and far away that was. So I tweeted to Chris McLaughlin.
@BBCchrismclaug A stinging end to the #Rangers statement following defeat of the resolution to commission an independent investigation into SPFL. Killing off hope of reconciliation anytime soon.
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Auldheid replying to
@BBCchrismclaug on Twitter
Chris. Do you actually know what reconciliation requires? You must know from South Africa and Mandela that Truth is a prerequisite. Not partial truth around latest skullduggery but the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So when SPFL asked SFA to investigate handling of ebts & side letters but SFA denied the request, why is now not the time to include that event & ask SFA why they have stopped pursuing UEFA licence 2011? You cannot have reconciliation without the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth. So for reconciliation truth is needed.”
Which takes me back to your ignorant claims about whataboutery. I don’t mean ignorant as in daft or stupid, I just mean not knowing enough.
Reconciliation requires looking at oneself first, admitting with hindsight that had you the chance to go back and start again and knowing the consequences of your errors where for example no one now trusts you, you decide to make amends and if those errors hurt others seek forgiveness but give it to others also for in Scottish football EVERYBODY wronged fellow clubs in pursuing self interest.
Then and only then when the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is recognised and the past undone, can there be reconciliation.
However if you are immersed in whataboutery the last place one looks is oneself.
Paul67/mod
Please delete above post.serves me right.
😔
HH1
AN TEARMANN on 13TH MAY 2020 9:57 PM
A view on Donald
https://twitter.com/jimmykimmel/status/1260095521189847040?s=09
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Superb mate…it had me laughing out loud.
Stay safe.
HH
Hello again all you young rebels.
Good morning to you BIG JIMMY and any other bhoys
who are up early in aul Scotia.
H.H . Mick
Morning MICK….
I hope that you are all safe and well…
Here is a wee true story from around 1980…..
I was in a Pub with my mates in Dennistoun just after watching Celtic beat some wee team at Celtic Park on that Saturday afternoon.
There was around 5 or 6 of us Celtic fans, and as this Pub was usually a Hun Pub during the week, it was usually taken over by us Celtic fans whenever the Celts had a home game.
On this particular Saturday evening, as we sat in the Pub after watching Celtic winning, some Huns fans sat across at a different table from us, maybe 7 or 8 of them and they were just back from a Hun game.
We had a bit of banter with these Hun fans for a few minutes, and I found myself asking them a question about their most recent signing, who was Colin MacAdam, who they bought from Partick Thistle.
Now, to most Scottish Fitba fans opinions Colin MacAdam was just a big Diddy, who was typical of the kind of Cart Horse that they liked to sign.
I asked them “IF they had a choice who would they have rather signed for “Rangers”….Colin MacAdam ( who cost a transfer fee)…OR PELE , who was obviously a Roman Catholic who also happened to be Black ?
EVERY ONE of those Huns answered…” Colin MacAdam”
I added, ” What IF PELE was desperate to sign for “Rangers” and play for NOTHING every week” ?
They ALL still said…”NO, it wouldnt matter…….its Colin Macadam for us” !
Me and my mates couldnt help but laugh at these Bigoted Clowns who didnt even want PELE to sign for them, because of his Colour and his Faith.
What chance does anyone have of ever educating ” The Peepil” ?
HH