It’s difficult not to associate Hearts’ owner, Vladimir Romanov’s outburst on their club website yesterday with the current issue over Rangers finances, which could soon see the SPL, the SFA and the media take sides between Rangers and their creditors, in particular HM Revenue and Customs.
Romanov’s rant on the demise of the Scottish game was ignorable until he dragged in the “tax authorities” for blame. As you and I know, the tax authorities don’t play favourites, they collect vat, income, corporation and other taxes in line with the law.
Hearts failed to pay player wages last month and Romanov now says, “there is no point is spending millions to watch someone else’s show”. Most of Hearts debt is owed to Romanov’s own bank but if player wages are unpaid there is a good chance HMRC will also be outstanding, explaining the “tax authorities” reference.
If a new football club playing at Ibrox is ushered into the SPL with a points tally calculated from the position of a defunct Rangers you can expect a gold-rush of clubs ready to flush their debts to the country, and history, away.
Well done to STV who yesterday revealed the actual decision making process which would be put in place to judge an application to join the league midseason or at any other time. The SPL board, by simple majority, have the decision, while the SFA need to ratify membership.
If the SPL board vote to reward bad debtors’ shares in their league what incentive would most clubs have to pay their bills? Fortunately, our history is more valuable than any amount of cash.
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Hi Ghuys, Salve salve;- Been following RTC, my head hurts one minute you think it’s all cut and dried then another poster blows the whole thing out the water.
Anyhoo wrt allowing (or not), a newco into the spl with minimum points loss I can see our ceo hoping so hard that he is no longer alone in his tousers for all the other sides in the spl to vote for a yea thus enabling him to vote nay (or neigh) and peddle the line that”we did all we could but were outvoted”, There are however a couple of potential hazards in this strategy namely Aberdeen FC and posssibly Hibs, but the one which I think will resist this most of all will be St Johnstone as they have been an outstanding example of how a a club should be run with probity and I cannot see them being keen to endorse this.
If, however the result can be achieved as Paulus LXVII states by means of a simple committee majority then that leaves Scottish football in an altogether different place. Such an outcome would be the deathknell of the professional game up here. In saying that I suspect the loss of Rangers albeit for a short while may also be a hammerblow from which it would be difficult for the game to recover.
A possible solution I could see for us would be to buy someone like Carlise and to relocate there . It would involve slightly more travel but a thriving football business could be built there. There would be scope for moderately priced hotels , restaurants and bars etc for the travelling support and it would make us a very attractive investment. In the fulness of time, we would maybe even be able to negotiate a return to Glasgow, just some randome thoughts. One other thing I am delighted that FC Sion look to be winning, if they succeed, then many things become possible.
Greenwells
Nil actum reputa si quid superest agendum
I don’t understand how Celtic get no breaks or luck at all. Well, in the SPL I do–refs and linesmen and bigotted spectators aiding and abetting each other, but injuries? I’d have to look at the fitness coaches and medical staff. Surely something must be a common denominator here. By the way, if your mother and father had no children the chances are you won’t have any either.
Official
training ground bust-up” Internet rumours ridiculed: celticfc.net/newsstory?item
RogueLeader says:
2 November, 2011 at 16:16
If the conditions arose that Celtic were forced to resign from the SPL/SFA, then UEFA would have to accommodate us.
They cannot be seen to condone a corrupt Association, no matter how dirty their own hands may be.
If a gerrymandered solution to Rangers problems are inflicted on the Scottish game, then Celtic have the case for the European Courts, based on fair trading.
I think that UEFA have enough court business on their lap at the moment with FC Sion, to wish any more litigation.
It doesn’t matter what league Celtic play in, as long as the ethos and integrity of the club are not impugned.
If and when this case concludes, it will be major news around Europe and beyond.
It involves more than bad book keeping, there is a potential tax fraud element too…..and that is big stuff.
bournesouprecipe says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:15
The club appear to be in better shape for it.
All that matters to me.
LB
bournesouprecipe says:
2 November, 2011 at 16:34
Ard Macha
Just play the bhoys, Motherwell is the real game.
share
I think that Neil has decided that M’well is the priority. Rightly so.
Greenwells Glory says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:14
been saying the same thing about Carlisle for months – never gets any support on here.
If I win the Euro lottery I’m going to buy them, change their strips to the hoops and ask the FA for permission to change the clubs name to Celtic Carlisle Football Club. I’ll appease the fans by buying a couple of big name signings on condition that they agree to the changes above. Then I’ll donate the club to Celtic. DD would probably just sell them and pay a one-off dividend to shareholders though!
Anyway, back to reality…
HH
bournesouprecipe says:
2 November, 2011 at 16:21
Bottom of the list
http://www.bonbonsconnexion.com/en/bulkcandy2.html
I remember the spearmint ones but not the fruity ones
gsu
bournesouprecipe says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:10
Cheers, will look out for it.
LiviBhoy 2 November, 2011 at 17:20
”
The club appear to be in better shape for it.
All that matters to me.
LB
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Better shape for a bust up that didn’t happen?
I don’t understand why you can’t hold your hands up and say that you were tricked by someone you trusted. Where is the shame in that?
Rogue Leader,
I think the requirement for leaving the SPL is two years notice.
Notice to quit would serve to focus minds and also give time to find a new home.
Staying in a corrupt system is not an option.
thomthethim says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:16
The thing about Uefa ‘corruption’ is that it’s mainly rumour and hearsay, whereas whatever happens, assuming it’s dodgy in an ethical and moral sense, in the SPL over the coming months will be done so in a very public manner – tax case(s) through the courts etc.
I can’t see how the SFA/SPL can wriggle the orcs out of a doomsday scenario and retain any credibility whatsoever. One would then have to consider whether credibility is, or ever has been, an issue at all for them and to what extent they are/were willing to dispose of such notions as fair play and sporting integrity in order to accommodate cheating by a particular team.
I would hope that Uefa would take a dim view on such laundry being aired in public. My worry is that they would use a sledgehammer to crack such an accommodating nut. The fallout from such punitive measures may not be to our liking.
I think I will be dropping a line to Peter Lawell asking him to set up an EBT so that we can bring in some top class players on topclass money and to hell with the consequences (10 points… the tragedy).
Whats good for the goose is just fine and dandy for the gander. Isn’t it ??
Or perhaps I will write to all other league managers suggesting that giving tax cheats the outcome they want and need is moraly, the equivalent to giving in to kidnappers and hostage takers.
Forget Fans against Criminalisation for a few weeks guys, if the New Darnel FC are voted back into the SPL then every team representitive in the SPL should be hung out to dry for moral cowardice and self interest.
This is the slippiest of slippery slopes my fellow Tims.
Sunburst says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:31
Or perhaps I will write to all other league managers suggesting that giving tax cheats the outcome they want and need is moraly, the equivalent to giving in to kidnappers and hostage takers.
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Not sure I agree with that.
It’s more like giving in to kidnappers and hostage takers and then not punishing them when they’re finally caught. Oh, they would also be getting to keep the money/proceeds/benefits from such actions.
Can I ask something: why ‘the darnel’?
unsureCSC
Evening guys just in from work not read back so apologies if akready been said. That pic of kris commons at training could be a stitch upto all the news yesterday about the supposed fight. Looking at the pic he seemed happy enough in it hopefully morales high and am sure good times lie ahead :D
HH
JinkyvJohnGreig-saysitall says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:24
been saying the same thing about Carlisle for months – never gets any support on here.
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Would you be happy if a foreign club bought Celtic, changed the name to Another Celtic FC then after a couple of years moved to Another city in Another’s country just so they could play in the SPL?
Rogue
This ‘no place to go’ thing is simply not true.
Among other perhaps more fanciful options, is the good old Scottish Football League.
Let’s say there is a split amongst the SPL clubs as to the ‘right thing to do’, and Celtic along with a handful of other clubs refused to sanction the legitimacy of a seemless and uninterupted admission of Newco Rangers to the SPL.
We resign summarily, and join the SFL, citing sporting integrity amongst other more fundamental issues of Governance. Then threaten a Judicial review of the transparency of the SPL’s licensing criteria and decision making. Ol’ BRTH can give you chapter and verse.
It would only take 2 or 3 other clubs to join us for the SPL to be dead in the water, an illegitimate mongrel of corporate malfeasance and financial léger de main.
I rather suspect the SFA would prefer to see the back of the SPL. As the SFA is the arbiter of European places, the arguments could get interesting.
A little club sponsorship from Betdaq would be quite sufficient to turn the odd indecisive head.
Rangers might be described as too big to fail, although the recent Coys House filing does them no good on that front, but Celtic are too big to be ignored.
If you were Stephen Thompson or Stewart Milne, would you invest in an SPL of Newco Rangers and Bankrupt Hearts, or a refeshed SFL with Celtic and say Hibernian. One jumps, the rest follow.
The tail doesn’t wag this dog!
Leave Carlisle United alone.
DM
Can I ask something: why ‘the darnel’?
unsureCSC
The Darnel is a term that relates to one of the parables of Jesus (The parable of the Tares I think) and basically states that Tares or Darnel is a poisonous weed that shoudl be separated from the good wheat and bundelled togethr for burning after harvest.
EnoughSaidCSC
Watched the Arsenal – Marseilles game last night and I must say that both teams gave a superb exhibition of defensive play. Marseilles were the better side and I thought their football skills were quite superb for a team that’s ranked at ninth place in the French League – the team at the top must be some side.
Glad to see the Italian ref allowed a bit of physicality in the game and the good old fashioned shoulder charge was used frequently by the French side.
I’m not sure where our opponents Rennes are currently in the French League but tomorrow night’s big European game at Celtic Park should be worth watching.
DBBIA
thought you would have something to say about that….
I went to see them play Liverpool in FA cup many years ago, Davie McKellar was the keeper and he stayed next door to a work mate at the time…
Livibhoy
You ok …did you get down here last week.
Some people on here cannot give up on a petty argument, Honest.
FWIW i think the huns max penalty will be 10 points,the canvassing behind the scenes amongst the other debt ridden clubs will be of the back scratching variety,as the rest are close to the abyss as well.Any voting will result in Masonic blood signing a new league format.
canamalar @ 17:04
Shaun Maloney was much better at hide n’ seek than Ki. The medical staff are still looking for him in Sammy’s beard.
Artistic licence there. Always liked wee Shaun, who like Ki, was never as good as Sammy.
Greensideup
Same here, spearmint was a Mojo.
Modern fruity mojo’s are for mugs.
Sunburst says:
2 November, 2011 at 17:45
D’oh!
Cheers.
http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/celtic/277346-celtic-could-be-missing-seven-for-rennes-tie/
It´s 9 with Broonie and Izzy.
IF ever a picture says more than a thousand words, then the one of Kris Commons during training today at Lennoxtown definitely speaks volumes about the contempt with which the Celtic squad have treated the latest rumours circling in cyber-world.
Commons was ‘bandaged’ up for the session following ridiculous and unfounded rumours yesterday of a training ground bust-up with Neil Lennon.
The Celtic manager admits that there is nothing he can do to deal with these rumours, other than to ignore them or, in this instance, ridicule them.
“People start rumours and look for things that are not there, and that’s us just laughing at all the speculation and rumour,” he said at the pre-match press conference.
“I know what goes on here and I have a very good group of players who I’m very proud of. At the minute they’re not doing themselves justice, but I know they’re very talented players and they’re not very far away from hitting the ground running now.
“There never has been a problem between myself and Kris and I’m bored repeating myself about that. I get on very well with him. He’s a fantastic player and there’s no doubt we’ve been missing him. If we can get him back up to sharpness and match speed, then it’s a real bonus for us because he’s a threat to the opposition.”
Both Kris Commons and Glenn Loovens are back in contention for a place in the starting XI for the UEFA Europa League match against Rennes at Celtic Park.
But while they are working back to full fitness, Neil Lennon has been hit with a number of other injury concerns to add to the long-term injuries to Emilio Izaguirre, Scott Brown, Kelvin Wilson and Mo Bangura.
Ki Sung Yueng has a virus which saw him miss training today, and he looks set to miss the Rennes game. Definitely out for the Euro clash will be Joe Ledley (calf strain) and Charlie Mulgrew (hamstring strain), while Mark Wilson will have a consultation tomorrow (Thursday) regarding his right knee, and he could be another absentee.
“I’ve still got a good squad of players available and the responsibility lies with them to put in a strong performance,” the manager said. “We’re hoping Ki could be available for the weekend, and possibly Joe Ledley as well, but we’ve still got a decent squad for the game tomorrow.
“It’s going to be a tough game, obviously, but we’re all looking forward to it. Thankfully, with a couple of players coming back, it will make the selection a wee bit easier.”
The sides met in France two weeks ago when Joe Ledley scored to give Celtic a share of the points in a 1-1 draw. Both sides still have aspirations of progressing beyond the group stage of the competition, which means that victory is imperative on Thursday night.
“Every game is important regardless of the competition or the status of where we are in any of the competitions,” Neil Lennon said. “We want to win tomorrow night to keep alive our hopes in the group and obviously go to Motherwell on Sunday and put on a strong performance.
“I’m sure a victory would give us a lift going into Sunday. We’ve played very well in Europe – we were unfortunate not to beat Udinese. We played okay in Madrid – I thought we could have played better, but they’re a very good side – and in Rennes we were excellent.
“Rennes are a good counter-attacking side. They’re strong and athletic and have some very good footballers in the team, and we have to be wary of that, particularly when we’re taking the game to them.”
I should probably wait for the outcome of of what will happen to the South Side (tax)Dodgers but I am too impatient. If the SPL/SFA do no do the right thing (and I will judge “right” for myself) and Celtic do not respond in the way (same judgement criteria), I will no longer be going to any SPL games.
I can do nothing about the relevant bodies taking the morally correct action but I can do everything about taking my own action….and I will.
JJ
New poster…
Are you also Snowblind?
OOOOPPPPPPPSSSSS
10 with Kelvin.
Oops !”I consider right” should have followed “way”.
JJ
dglsfDouglas Fraser
Rangers back in court next Monday, being pursued for an allegedly “straightforward commercial debt” by Capita Trustees Services Ltd.
30 minutes ago
Snyde saying Mark Wilson might be out for 6 months,going to see a specialist.
As you will no guys I’m a massive kris commons lover had a tiff with rancho franco over it once lol but thank f**k there’s nothing goin on him between him and lenny kc and izzy were instrumenta last season in our play its no surprise w have been so poor without them. So it appears that the internet rumours have brought us together and there seems a lot of positivity so keep up your poxy rumours
For Its A Grand Old Team…..
HH
I´d like to see Shug Keevens in Common´s bandages…
Wait a mo…, make that Darrylll too.
Court Again 7th Nov