Being responsible is not always easy, especially when it comes to running a football club, where playing to the gallery offers vastly better short-term returns, and no doubt a rush of endorphins.
If your fans are engaged in an activity which regularly brings them to the attention of the courts, and your club into disrepute, it doesn’t matter what you think of the apparent offense. You may chant an offending song in the shower every morning month, but your only public comment on the matter can be to chastise and urge fans to desist.
Clubs in Scotland voted against what is known as strict liability. This means they are not held responsible for transgressions by their fans – and who wants to be held responsible for the actions of others who protected from personal liability by hiding in a crowd.
Part of the deal on not having strict liability is that clubs must demonstrate that they take all steps necessary to dissuade and educate their fans from carrying out criminal or regulatory offenses. It’s simply not possible for club to tell fans their illegal actions were justified, as this would place the club itself in the firing line.
The nonsense following the Scottish Cup final is all background noise as far as we are concerned, but be aware the contagion will spread beyond those you could consider highly dysfunctional operators.
Solving Kids Cancer in memory of Oscar Knox
Our own Bundoran Bhoy will run the Edinburgh Marathon on Sunday on behalf of Solving Kids Cancer. He has put in an enormous amount of work ahead of the event, for a cause which you are only too familiar with.
26 miles is a long way to run. You can give him some encouragement on his Just Giving page.
Good luck, Tommy.
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A few pages back but BBC switched over from Sunshine on Leith
after cup presented as they were going to Wembley for news before
kick off at Wembley which was ??? 5:30
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50 SHADES OF GREEN on 28TH MAY 2016 1:41 PM
Guys can any of you help me out here?
Zombie in the pub reckons it was 1 hr and 45 mins after the final whistle last week before Hibs got presented with the cup, I think he is once again talking shite.
Anyone know the timescale?
I saw this and thought of sevco
Your asinine simian countenance alludes that your fetid stench has annulled the anthropoid ape species diversity
;)). HH
Sipsini
We can all be daft, I nearly messed the underwear when I saw I was still posting at 2am this morning, was a bit scared to read back, as for TBJ, never met him but would like to have a wee shandy with him at some point…….after his great work for the brick at parkhead for all Cqners that have passed it was pretty dam special, I even think I got the young niece to do they PayPal thing for me, which is some going for a technophobe like myself
Quiet on here, so I thought I’d post bfdj’s take on last week in the E/T
Just scroll by if it’s not our forte…
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THE formation of Club 1872 is a really positive step for the supporters and for Rangers.
It will undoubtedly help the club in terms of the money that is raised to fund projects and it will give the fans a real say in how decisions are made at Ibrox.
But it will also give supporters a voice and that is as important as ever in the aftermath of events at Hampden on Saturday.
All the supporters are as one and they will make themselves heard as one. They will defend the club and they will defend the fans.
There will be times where Rangers supporters are in the wrong, of course there will. No support, of any club, is perfect and we are all aware of that.
But when things are thrown at us then it is only right that they back their side and back their fellow fans. You can’t blame them at all for that.
In their statement on Thursday night, Club 1872 claimed that Rangers and the fans are ‘fair game by an unpleasant and active minority who attach themselves to several Scottish football clubs’.
It has not just been the last four years, but it has been prominent in the last four years when we have been down at our lowest. It is the easiest thing in the world to kick people when they are down.
There is no doubt in my mind that that has happened to Rangers. Whether people like me saying that or not, that is a fact.
Rangers are a bit like Manchester United down south. Nobody likes United because they are the big club, they are the successful club.
Everyone hates Man United and I don’t think there is any doubt that Rangers are filling that mantle up here just now. It is easy for people to have a go at Rangers Football Club.
How the events at Hampden can be turned around on the Rangers fans, I don’t know. If thousands of Hibs supporters don’t come on the pitch, there is no trouble.
You can’t start throwing blame at everyone else. You have to look at what the Hibs fans did.
They came on the park and caused mayhem. When you cross the halfway line, you are in opposition territory and you are goading.
They were tearing up the turf, they broke the goals and it was just malicious damage. That is not fans that are happy, that is vandalism.
At the launch of Club 1872 this week, Managing Director Stewart Robertson was asked a lot of questions about the Hampden riot, amongst other things, and he answered them honestly.
Nobody wants to see fans being goaded or attacked. There were Rangers fans on the park and they shouldn’t have been, and Stewart said Rangers will take action if appropriate.
But you can’t shift the focus as to where the blame for this lies. It is down to one club and one club only.
We have had stories coming out about the Rangers fans in the aftermath but the Police, the SFA and Hibernian have to hold their hands up and say they were in the wrong.
Club 1872 were quite right to come out with their statement. That is what they are there for. It will be good for Rangers and the fan base.
If, in the future, Rangers fans are found to have behaved inappropriately at any stage then they will, I am sure, say something about that as well. They have got to be honest and they will be.
Stewart didn’t say anything that I am sure plenty of people will disagree with. What would you rather have, thousands of people fighting on the park or people singing songs? We don’t want to hear any sectarian singing in Scotland and we don’t want people battling it out on the park.
There are no excuses here. The songs were song. But I would rather hear songs than see thousands of people fighting.
I don’t think anyone would differ. Of course, you don’t want to see any of it and we want everyone that goes to football matches to behave in an appropriate manner.
But, you can’t hurt someone with singing. These days, you are more likely to get jailed for singing than you are for being on the park.
We don’t want to see any misbehaviour at football and the SFA have to act decisively now. Back in ’72, UEFA didn’t mess about and Rangers were given a two-year ban, which was reduced to a year on appeal, after our fans came onto the park in Barcelona.
Within a few days, that was it. The SFA now need to act quickly and decisively.
These pictures were all over the world and it presents a really poor image of our game.
You cannot have players on the park fearing for their safety. If you go out and you are thinking ‘if their fans come on, we could be attacked’ then what is the point in playing the game?
While the SFA are investigating what happened on Saturday, they should be having a look at the conduct of their Vice-President.
Club 1872 called for Rod Petrie to be removed from office this week and I certainly agree with them on that.
He came out with the most ridiculous comments after the game and it took him another couple of days before he spoke again. There has been no public apology to Rangers.
He should not be anywhere near the SFA and should not be allowed to have a say in how our game is being run.
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Hibs got trophy 45 mins after game had finished.
ONEMALLOY on 28TH MAY 2016 11:44 AM
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Thank you mo chara, appreciate it.
Done a fiver Yankee today, no winners. Two of my horses actually finished last.
HH.
TONTINE TIM @4.11
I concur totally….as far back as i can remember, the local williamites were telling me, that i wasnt Scottish because i was a Kafflik, and i wasnt Irish either because i wasnt born there.
But i was a Fenian:)
That will do for me.
Cheers i said….Happy to be anything that you mob hate:)
Do your worst.
Headbutts all round:)
HH
One Malloy excellent at Cheltenham
16 roads brilliant at fleagles comp
But please remember the duds you are up against :-)
All kidding aside both competitions are magic fun well done bhoys
How’s tricks big chap?
If Nearly a hundred people can die in Sheffield and it take over two decades to get the truth. What chance do you think this res12 has
Incredibly Hibernian haven’t won the Scottish Cup for 7 long days!
BFDJ – remember he is one of more intelligent Sevconians and comes out with this gibberish.
Enjoy the chase.
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 28TH MAY 2016 5:12 PM
I learned my retort to the huns when I started my apprenticeship….I’m no bas***d but I’m a Fenian.
Horsey bhoys I see the horse that WITS put up
last week Grizzel won at 5/2 today,missed the
bugger,hope some of you got on.
Slainte GFTB.
HH.
Sipsini 5.05pm
Is there any proof that bfdj can write ?
He can bearly speak……… (Pun intended)
In his defence …… He does stand up for his club;s)
Big Fat Derek Johnstone talking about kicking people when they’re down. He must have been referring to the sevconts who indulged in this behaviour last week at Hampden against prone and prostrate Hibs fans.
Ra peepul don’t do irony ( or truth ) do they?
Sipsini
Ones i grew up with…were lucky if they could tie their own shoelaces.
Never mind construct a sentence devoid of the words…Fenian and Bassa:)
Morons.
HH
https://youtu.be/-1Sv60M6MfE
Seanchai -Fenians
Hold your Fist if you love Freedom ✊
Ray Winstone’s Big Disembodied Heid
Stupid Stupid BFDJ is onboard the level5 sevco agenda bus
James Forrest on 28th May 2016 12:28 pm
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/resolution-12-campaign-leaves-sevco-facing-a-european-ban/
Fill yer boots people :)
Lets just say its 1.53pm & we get a repost
Ach ya will…go on
go
go on go on go on go on go on
proudbhoy on 28th May 2016 5:27 pm
Saved :)))))))
16 ROADS – CELTIC ÜBER ALLES… on 28TH MAY 2016 5:12 PM
Have had a bet from some tips posted earlier here by some fine CQNrs all for Salisbury this evening.
GFTB -Hi Gerry, hope all is well with you. Cheltenham was as I said at the time beginners luck, all downhill from there not even another winner in Fleagles comp.
HH
Many times I have been called me a fenian b#%$€¥d.
And the answer they got was.
And don’t you ever Fekin forget it.
Priceless the look on their faces :)
1… on 28TH MAY 2016 5:12 PM
Have had a bet from some tips posted earlier here by some fine CQNrs all for Salisbury this evening.
GFTB -Hi Gerry, hope all is well with you. Cheltenham was as I said at the time beginners luck, all downhill from there not even another winner in Fleagles comp.
HH
Oops 1 = 16 Roads
HH
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL
Fully in agreement iWith your description of mSSm lackey Wilson.
But what he says about circumstances leading to Tierneys emergence is true.
He was introduced due to injuries and suspension in this position.
It proved to be a very fortunat result from unfortunate circumstances.
The Bhoy Tierney is brilliant and should be future captain.
I’ve had a few shandies so I’m certain I’m reading this wrong, buuuttttt are all the posts from James Forrest and others saying that all the Huns have to do is take a hit of not playing in Europe for 1-3 years and they get to call themselves the same club??
One Malloy
Everything grand here, even the young nephews are buzzing about Brendan, asked my older brother about the Trequairs you had asked about that day, he seem to think our mum had cousins of the same name, although she also had Kanes & Creaneys….. Hugh & Cry & the taxi driver that scored against the Huns (another Gerry) ….. These Fenian family’s related to everybody :-)
All Hull in the play off game, half empty stadium as well.
Wednesday to win it :O)
Hull miss another snip,you know what’s going
too happen!!!!!!
THE_HUDDLE on 28TH MAY 2016 5:57 PM
I’ve had a few shandies so I’m certain I’m reading this wrong, buuuttttt are all the posts from James Forrest and others saying that all the Huns have to do is take a hit of not playing in Europe for 1-3 years and they get to call themselves the same club??
******
Possibly they can.
But, to be recognised as the same club they will have to pay all football debts and outstanding tax bills perhaps.
Vin..,
That’s no excuse for no tryin now is it, oh and the wee plus side is that the British establishment are not in control of this one. It might still be kicked into touch granted but if so, it will be a different corrupt establishment. In this case though, they really do take things like this seriously you just need to look punishment handed out already.
THE_HUDDLE
Thats how I read it as well, No shandies yet. :)
KLV
Nye Bevans
Gary Hopper ?????
Am waiting on Hull with btts but on reflection ……
By the way I would have Hooper & MxGeady back the morra…. Ross Wallace & Loovens can enjoy Sheffield the rest of their days……
Canamalar,
No. I am simply stating what I believe. I have no desire whatever to limit Celtic to a very narrowed definition of anyone’s perception. (No need for the sarcasm, by the way; you may not agree with me. Fine.) We are open to all. There was a very good article written quite recently by a Jewish supporter about what a Celtic supporter really is.
thomthethim for Oscar OK on 28th May 2016 6:14 pm
I’ve had a few shandies so I’m certain I’m reading this wrong, buuuttttt are all the posts from James Forrest and others saying that all the Huns have to do is take a hit of not playing in Europe for 1-3 years and they get to call themselves the same club??
******
Possibly they can.
But, to be recognised as the same club they will have to pay all football debts and outstanding tax bills perhaps.
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Who would chase them for outstanding debt in this scenario??
This seems like the perfect get out for the huns to keep their history.
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
Hooper aye, not a fan of the others, Loovens was brutal, Aiden’s attitude at times let him down and Ross Wallace was ruined when WGS tried playing in as a defender, He never recovered form or confidence after that.
Hooper still Great player. Never really fulfilled his potential down south.
KLV
Gerryfaethebrig on 28th May 2016 6:17 pm
Gary Hopper ?????
Am waiting on Hull with btts but on reflection ……
By the way I would have Hooper & MxGeady back the morra…. Ross Wallace & Loovens can enjoy Sheffield the rest of their days……
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McGeady can’t even make the bench, Wallace is, unbelievably, now the better player :O)